OctarineShrike
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I think the intention is to give Rionna a subtle out here if she needs to keep her sister's shade for sentimental reasons.
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I think the intention is to give Rionna a subtle out here if she needs to keep her sister's shade for sentimental reasons.
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Yeah, and if she actually has a few critical shades and such, but it seems kind of muddled to me.
In fact I'll point out the specific things that I find wrong with it
Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for it.(What is up with the past tense? She might find that rude considering guarding Edinburgh and hunting witches she can't hunt because she's just one person might be a good reason to her) Mention that even if our offered help -with her- problem isn't enough, we still understand she might have a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important.(Why is it based on if our help isn't enough? If it wasn't, wouldn't Rionna not release a single shade?) Thats something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.(Not really a problem and more of a dumb thing she might point out, but I don't think that's obvious.)
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I don't think that works, because all of this is stuff that Rionna volunteers, to a presumed hostile meguca she doesn't trust, on the first meeting. None of this is in any way a secret, unless Rionna has reasons to tell us but is not so cavalier with the information generally (which is a data point for something, and something we should ask Nadia about in any case)
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@FromTheFuture The intended wording (I can't help but be rambly and verbose, it seems) is that Rionna thinks (rightly) that Sabrina is morally offended and wants her to give up all the shades. We've offered to try and solve whatever issue she needs the shades for, find an alternative to them, etc. She says thats not enough. The intended point is that if she's right, that even while Sabrina wants her to stop using shades entirely (and is unable to effect that), its believable that Sabrina would allow one or two. (If Sabrina was able to help with her issue, she wouldn't need to keep ANY shades... we'd fix her sister or whatever. So allowing an exception is only needed if we can't help..... its that logical-but-oft-misinterpreted "even if you thought I'm violent and your enemy, you could trust me because I'd do it X way instead" logic.)
The point about wish was past tense because its about her having good reasons /at the time of making her wish/ , to /make that specific wish/ that gave her, apparently evil, soul-stealing powers. And about saying its obvious we'd allow an exception..... its because it /is/ obvious that "not feeding the seed of your sister's witch to Kyubey, and risking it rehatching just to hope it can be fixed" is obviously different than "not feeding a dozen of your worst enemies" ...or in this case Shades. The idea is for her to fill in the blank , knowing what all her shades are, which that an apparently love-everyone goody-good like Sabrina would consider obviously acceptable (because we can't fill that blank ourselves).
The point about wish was past tense because its about her having good reasons /at the time of making her wish/ , to /make that specific wish/ that gave her, apparently evil, soul-stealing powers. And about saying its obvious we'd allow an exception..... its because it /is/ obvious that "not feeding the seed of your sister's witch to Kyubey, and risking it rehatching just to hope it can be fixed" is obviously different than "not feeding a dozen of your worst enemies" ...or in this case Shades. The idea is for her to fill in the blank , knowing what all her shades are, which that an apparently love-everyone goody-good like Sabrina would consider obviously acceptable (because we can't fill that blank ourselves).
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Kay, thanks for clarifying.
I'll try to see if I can word it better, but for now I'll vote for this.
I do have to say though, she's probably using most of her shades to guard Edinburgh from Witches and Meguca so we can't expect her to give even the non essential ones unless we find viable alternitives
[X] Sabrina-Pilot on key points
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for it. Mention that even if our offered help witht he problem isn't enough, we still understand she might have a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. Thats something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she at least offer that much if she doesn't want anything from us after this long trip?
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OctarineShrike
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OctarineShrike
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There some difference between my idea and From's I'm missing that makes you like it more?
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You stay. You belong in this thread. Don't let him get to you. Even if he did insult the entire thread and follow it up by saying that your personal problems didn't exist.
Like, really, @Madou Sutegobana, how would you like it if my response to your post had been along the lines of "You're still posting so it must not have been that bad."? How about if someone else had replied with "Well, I'm fighting cancer, so you don't get to talk"?
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...wow.
You are the first person to ever proxy vote me.
...this responsibility is heavy, but I will bear it.
Anyway!
Looks good so far, good enough to vote on.
Hopefully we can improve on it even more.
[X] Sabrina-Pilot on key points
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for seeking such power. Mention that even if we're unable to deliver fully, we'll still understand if she has a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. That's something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she do that at least that much considering she isn't going to get anything productive out of this trip otherwise?
EDIT:Maybe we should put the question in first?
It seems a bit rude to say all that, then say the question after the fact.
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OctarineShrike
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Now I'm starting to have doubts on the coherency of this part.
Like, if what she wants is related to that special shade and we can't deliver, why would she release any shades at all of her own accord?
Edit: @FromTheFuture Starting with the Clear seed angle sounds good.
Like, if what she wants is related to that special shade and we can't deliver, why would she release any shades at all of her own accord?
Edit: @FromTheFuture Starting with the Clear seed angle sounds good.
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Yeah, even with the context of that supposedly being that 'not being able to deliver fully' being we can't revive shades and but we can totally replace them, it seems a bit out of place, a pretty specific scenario ,and how would she even get the context?
Do you think we should cut it, or replace it?
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[x]FromTheFuture
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Maybe because enslaving who-knows-how-many people is hideously wrong?
OctarineShrike
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And acknowledging that or seeking confirmation they aren't actually conscious is the kind of thing that would blacken her gem at this point if she's in any way a decent person.
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[X] Sabrina-Pilot on key points
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for seeking such power. Mention that even if we're unable to deliver fully, we'll still understand if she has a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. That's something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she do that at least that much considering she isn't going to get anything productive out of this trip otherwise?
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for seeking such power. Mention that even if we're unable to deliver fully, we'll still understand if she has a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. That's something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she do that at least that much considering she isn't going to get anything productive out of this trip otherwise?
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here we go again
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It has been brought to my attention that this thread has been locked for a while. I'm following up with our moderation group about it.
Alright, so once again with the abuse of operator permissions! 
So... I've been thinking about how to handle the PMAS thread, going forward. I know this is a contentious issue, but I really need to figure out how to handle things going forward, and it's taking me a while because it's not an easy topic to wrangle with, on top of RL work, you know? To that end, I told the moderator handling PMAS that they could take their time - I'd be requesting that they keep the thread locked until I made a decision, anyway. So that's why the thread is still locked.
PMAS isn't dead. I promise that.
So... I've been thinking about how to handle the PMAS thread, going forward. I know this is a contentious issue, but I really need to figure out how to handle things going forward, and it's taking me a while because it's not an easy topic to wrangle with, on top of RL work, you know? To that end, I told the moderator handling PMAS that they could take their time - I'd be requesting that they keep the thread locked until I made a decision, anyway. So that's why the thread is still locked.
PMAS isn't dead. I promise that.
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i want to apologize for something
I'm going to let @Firnagzen open this thread at his own will. It's my fault that the thread has been closed for so long. That's not okay, and it will ideally be handled at greater speed, not bearing resemblance to a paraplegic comatose snail next time, however I must still act on the following post.
Have a good day, and thank you for your time, even though I took too much of it.
I'm going to let @Firnagzen open this thread at his own will. It's my fault that the thread has been closed for so long. That's not okay, and it will ideally be handled at greater speed, not bearing resemblance to a paraplegic comatose snail next time, however I must still act on the following post.
This post has violated the Quest Master's (@Firnagzen) directive, and a staff notice has been applied.
Have a good day, and thank you for your time, even though I took too much of it.
Author's statement
I've been doing a lot of thinking about PMAS. The sheer level of acrimony in the thread is tiring.
To be clear, I don't mind criticism of myself. Or PMAS. But it's getting to be a slog for me to read the discussions, these days, and that's a problem. It drives away posters, new and old alike. It's not a good solution.
The problem as it stands right now is twofold. One; the current situation, and two, the thread as a continuing thing.
The first part, the current situation with Rionna...
I'm going to apply some GM's perogative here. You may call it railroading or not, but frankly, I've made mistakes with how I've handled this situation, and I apologise for that. I should have been more upfront, in-character and out. I think, whichever side you're on, you'll agree we're all bogged down in this situation. I don't think anyone particularly enjoys it here, and metaphorical railroads are the best way out of this.
I am not limiting the current vote, and I encourage the discussion so long as it's fruitful. However, I'll be applying some strong in-character nudging, going forward. Work with me, here.
Now, the second part...
Something that's been pointed out to me is that there's not much fun that happens in the thread any more. Part of that is simply posters drifting away, but something I've been mulling over is that, well... the thread is now a place almost exclusively of debate. We don't really chat much anymore, do we, compared to the older days? If you come here, you have your warface on, ready to argue.
I want to bring that light-heartedness back. Sabrina is a silly, dorky person most of the time. Indulge yourselves! I want the chatter funnelled back here. Do you have some crazy ideas for what Sabrina might be? Some silly concept for Sabrina to pull off? Some odd crossover? Feel free to post about them. In between votes, when it's settled, feel free to chat!
The Discord for PMAS has been closed, as part of this. There were some reasons in addition to the issue of the thread culture, but it has been closed. The simple fact is that chatter happened there, and... I'd like it back in the thread. To keep the discussion all in one place. It might be reopened, or a new one set up at some point, but we'll see.
To be clear, closing the Discord wasn't an easy decision, and nor is it an easy issue, but this step has been taken as part of an effort to make the thread a better place. I'm exercising my right as a GM and declaring a moratorium on this matter - do not gloat about it, do not air your grievances about it. We're one community, don't make it about sides.
And finally...
Look, I'm going to ask. People, be nice to each other. You have differences, and you want different things of Sabrina. But PMAS is a game, in the end. I love that you all are so committed to it, but... think before you post. Be kind.
I'll try and update by... my Wednesday or so.
To be clear, I don't mind criticism of myself. Or PMAS. But it's getting to be a slog for me to read the discussions, these days, and that's a problem. It drives away posters, new and old alike. It's not a good solution.
The problem as it stands right now is twofold. One; the current situation, and two, the thread as a continuing thing.
The first part, the current situation with Rionna...
I'm going to apply some GM's perogative here. You may call it railroading or not, but frankly, I've made mistakes with how I've handled this situation, and I apologise for that. I should have been more upfront, in-character and out. I think, whichever side you're on, you'll agree we're all bogged down in this situation. I don't think anyone particularly enjoys it here, and metaphorical railroads are the best way out of this.
I am not limiting the current vote, and I encourage the discussion so long as it's fruitful. However, I'll be applying some strong in-character nudging, going forward. Work with me, here.
Now, the second part...
Something that's been pointed out to me is that there's not much fun that happens in the thread any more. Part of that is simply posters drifting away, but something I've been mulling over is that, well... the thread is now a place almost exclusively of debate. We don't really chat much anymore, do we, compared to the older days? If you come here, you have your warface on, ready to argue.
I want to bring that light-heartedness back. Sabrina is a silly, dorky person most of the time. Indulge yourselves! I want the chatter funnelled back here. Do you have some crazy ideas for what Sabrina might be? Some silly concept for Sabrina to pull off? Some odd crossover? Feel free to post about them. In between votes, when it's settled, feel free to chat!
The Discord for PMAS has been closed, as part of this. There were some reasons in addition to the issue of the thread culture, but it has been closed. The simple fact is that chatter happened there, and... I'd like it back in the thread. To keep the discussion all in one place. It might be reopened, or a new one set up at some point, but we'll see.
To be clear, closing the Discord wasn't an easy decision, and nor is it an easy issue, but this step has been taken as part of an effort to make the thread a better place. I'm exercising my right as a GM and declaring a moratorium on this matter - do not gloat about it, do not air your grievances about it. We're one community, don't make it about sides.
And finally...
Look, I'm going to ask. People, be nice to each other. You have differences, and you want different things of Sabrina. But PMAS is a game, in the end. I love that you all are so committed to it, but... think before you post. Be kind.
I'll try and update by... my Wednesday or so.
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Still trying to catch up with the thread and the story posts so I don't really know why everything is falling apart, but why don't we have a beach/spa 'episode'? Seems like the right time for some light hearted relaxation.