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Onmur said:
We're in a privacy sphere. We could... use the Grief we got with Mami to signal her to contact Nadia to contact Riona.

That's a thing we could do. Kind of what we left the Grief with Mami for.
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I should also add one more thing that raises our suspisous, she can contact us with telepathy, which if she IS Hijiri would make perfect sence...

mCooperative said:
Uh, because while we were all freaking out about Riona contacting us without an introduction- we've spoken with Hijiri by telepathy before. If it were her, she wouldn't need an introduction.
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So yeah, we need to get either Mami or ourselfs to check this with Nadia. Along with the fact Hijiri can make illusions, we need to be ready to handle this if we get back this is an impostor. I say immediate separation of gem and calling kirika to get an anti-magic bracelet ready before we wake them up.
 
It's a good question, yes.

Also, can Rionnna pull telepathy invites from the souls of other magical girls.

It would make a certain amount of sense how she was uncertain on the telepathy channel if she was just picking names from Hijiri's rolodex, so to speak. Especially if Sabrina is filed under "Dedolere".
 
The Narrator said:
That's... an interesting question. Can you disguise your "voice" during telepathy?
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Um. Relevantly. If we haven't had this or at least the exact text contradicted somewhere else.

"I want the power to connect to others without drawing attention. I'll watch (Niko) and burn her death into my eyes!!"

"the power to connect to others without drawing attention."

"without drawing attention."

... the text of Hijiri's canon wish.
 
So, about the 'example making' thing, maybe we should tell Riona that we can't fault her for it up until this point, for meguca have had no safety net to rely on... but we're trying to change that, so neither 'examples' nor hard meguca making hard decisions should be needed nor wanted anymore?

We've had enough of hard meguca making hard decisions.


I'd wait until Firn comes back and says whether the Witch name was a mistake.

If it wasn't, besides getting Mami to check whether Riona's out there (and not in here), we might want to ask Riona...

We didn't get to ask how she contacted us, did we?

[] Subtly tell Mami (with Grief) to contact:
-[] Nadia, to see if she can contact Riona.
-[] Hijiri, ask how she's doing.

If... Riona absorbed Hijiri, we might want to demand she coughs her back up. Also any other souls, souls are not thing, even if the meguca might do terrible things.

... Doesn't have to be right now, but for any souls Riona's taken, we'd rather try our hand at rehabilitating them? Or at least build a prison and put them there, rather than condemn them to remain as Riona's... whatever it is she does with souls.

I don't know, perhaps we should just ask for details. :/
 
OK, idea:

- (Get Mami to check on Nadia->Riona and Hijiri. We can't because we're in the bubble.)
- Tell Riona we'll want to ask about the strange things she just commented.
- Before that, go more or less by RA's vote, then explain how we're trying to make the world better.
- Ask Riona to clarify what she means by 'making an example' and 'taking souls'.
- I guess new round of voting here.
 
mCooperative said:
Um. Relevantly. If we haven't had this or at least the exact text contradicted somewhere else.

"I want the power to connect to others without drawing attention. I'll watch (Niko) and burn her death into my eyes!!"

"the power to connect to others without drawing attention."

"without drawing attention."

... the text of Hijiri's canon wish.
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I also think if I mix Kazusa's and Satomi's power I can do an illusion over telepathy (they are listed in our day planner as 'Semi-Solid Illusions, Shadow Conjuration' and 'Speak to Animals, Mind Control')
 
Funny thing, just a couple days ago we had a discussion over in Marked for Death about excessive player paranoia getting on the QMs' nerves...
 
Roomba said:
Funny thing, just a couple days ago we had a discussion over in Marked for Death about excessive player paranoia getting on the QMs' nerves...
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I think that shadowrunning is a hard-earned privilege rewarded to players for being generally reasonable otherwise.
Also, it's funny as heck.
 
Overall, we should be parceling out the information in the correct order.

Starting with the clear seed is probably wrong. It is a stopgap, anyway. And as a solution, it's creepy.

Nadia showed us the bias in thought - anyone who tries to be an idealist dies.

Our better opening topic is artificial Grief seeds. We want her her on those, and she wants the capacity. I'm sure the Clear Seed out-performs them, so she has less incentive to aid development from an economic standpoint. She does have a morality, but we are just now learning some of it. We don't know what her larger aims are.

Keep her on topic, before opening many other topics. Finish them in order, or we will find that some questions are never answered.

So, we gave her our guess as to what we are. But the only important matters still open in that are "we are the good person we want to be" and "find out what our soul looks like."

Then, we want to hear about how she uses her power. How old she is - we ponied up, might as well ask.

Next, what she wants to trade.

Maybe - Maybe! then we can talk Clear seed shenanigans. Talk of "saving everybody" will not be easy for her, because she obviously had to turn her back on that.
 
If shenanigans are indeed afoot, and this isn't just a mistake on Firn's part, then I do think it needs to be pointed out that this is much more likely to be Kanna Hijiri trying some sneaky bullshit on us, then it is Rionna having randomly and coincidentally to steal the soul of someone she should have no reason to care about.

Kanna's got access to illusion (Kazumi), mind (Usagi), and memory (Umika) magic, so pulling off a disguise like this is very much possible for her. And we've discussed our expectations for Rionna's arrival over telepathy, so QB could have provided her with the info to hurt us with.
 
Redshirt Army said:
If shenanigans are indeed afoot, and this isn't just a mistake on Firn's part, then I do think it needs to be pointed out that this is much more likely to be Kanna Hijiri trying some sneaky bullshit on us, then it is Rionna having randomly and coincidentally to steal the soul of someone she should have no reason to care about.

Kanna's got access to illusion (Kazumi), mind (Usagi), and memory (Umika) magic, so pulling off a disguise like this is very much possible for her. And we've discussed our expectations for Rionna's arrival over telepathy, so QB could have provided her with the info to hurt us with.
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Preach it! yup, we must verify. Either WoG, or in plot. If things are dicey, we immediately go for option H. The greatest number of peaceful futures exist that way.

Further, if Hijiri can do this, we have found our infiltrator / point girl. All we need to do is convert her.
 
Redshirt Army said:
If shenanigans are indeed afoot, and this isn't just a mistake on Firn's part, then I do think it needs to be pointed out that this is much more likely to be Kanna Hijiri trying some sneaky bullshit on us, then it is Rionna having randomly and coincidentally to steal the soul of someone she should have no reason to care about.

Kanna's got access to illusion (Kazumi), mind (Usagi), and memory (Umika) magic, so pulling off a disguise like this is very much possible for her. And we've discussed our expectations for Rionna's arrival over telepathy, so QB could have provided her with the info to hurt us with.
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What would be the motive, though? Why would she bother with all this? Why does she care about Sabrina in the first place? It's technically possible for her to have done this, but it doesn't feel plausible at all.

I'll be very surprised if this isn't a mistake by Firn.
 
Redshirt Army said:
If shenanigans are indeed afoot, and this isn't just a mistake on Firn's part, then I do think it needs to be pointed out that this is much more likely to be Kanna Hijiri trying some sneaky bullshit on us, then it is Rionna having randomly and coincidentally to steal the soul of someone she should have no reason to care about.

Kanna's got access to illusion (Kazumi), mind (Usagi), and memory (Umika) magic, so pulling off a disguise like this is very much possible for her. And we've discussed our expectations for Rionna's arrival over telepathy, so QB could have provided her with the info to hurt us with.
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And we'll need to think how to spring a trap on Hijiri, this time without giving her a chance to escape.

We could get Homu to timestop and bring Sayaka to antimagic the jebeezus out of 'Riona'.

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So... I'd say it's a good thing we left that Grief with Mami. We can easily use that to communicate.

[] Grief communication with Mami.
-[] Ask her to check whether she can reach both Hijiri and (through Nadia) Riona.
-[] If not, explain either Hijiri took Riona's place, or Riona took Hijiri's Soul.
--[] Ask her to set up a trap. Get Homura to bring Sayaka, for anti magic.


Even if it's not a mistake, and they both share a Witch name, this would let us know whether something evil is afoot.

Also, I wonder if this would earn us some Homuhugs.



"See Homura? I can also be cautious and stuff!"

*Opens arms*

*Stares*

*Lowers arms*

'Right. Later.'

*Sighs*
 
Roomba said:
What would be the motive, though? Why would she bother with all this? Why does she care about Sabrina in the first place? It's technically possible for her to have done this, but it doesn't feel plausible at all.

I'll be very surprised if this isn't a mistake by Firn.
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Obtaining a clear seed perhaps? She might already be aware they exist, though I'm not sure on that. The seed movement tab on the planner dosn't say she has one.
 
PlanckConstant said:
Obtaining a clear seed perhaps? She might already be aware they exist, though I'm not sure on that. The seed movement tab on the planner dosn't say she has one.
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She doesn't. I'm not certain if we offered to meet and cleanse her, when we last talked, but we did at least think about it... which wouldn't make sense if she had a Clear Seed.
 
Hijiri is at least aware of Clear Seeds, since she was involved in the whole mess with stealing a clear seed and the memory suppression field.

Uncertain how much she knows of what they do or why.
 
PlanckConstant said:
Obtaining a clear seed perhaps? She might already be aware they exist, though I'm not sure on that. The seed movement tab on the planner dosn't say she has one.
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She was present when Anri stole one from the Pleiades Saints, so she knows of them. We took that Clear Seed back with extreme prejudice, so she definitely doesn't have one unless she stole it from someone else... and she knows that doing that will bring us down on her like a ton of bricks.

So this actually isn't a terrible plan for getting one without us realizing it.
 
She's sworn violent murderous revenge before in her canon, and Sabrina was pretty instrumental in her most recent "defeat".

I don't think trying to take revenge and/or steal a clear seed is too far out from her usual modus operandi.
 
Um. To be clear. We're looking to ask Mami to check if she can reach Hijiri, and that Nadia can't reach Riona right now, yeah? Just, because, we're in privacy; Nadia shouldn't be able to reach Riona right now, and if she can then that's the indication we've got an imposter. Being unable reach Hijiri is a strong indicator of the hypothetical imposter being her, enough of an indicator that we can act on it.

On the other hand, if Mami can reach both Hijiri and Riona, then we've got a third party.

And if she can't reach either Hijiri or Riona, then either Riona ate Hijiri, or something else is up with her, and either way, we should be concerned. And also possibly concerned about Riona being really Riona, since that would mean we don't have additional evidence about her identity.
 
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