and @mCooperative -

Is a version of this underway in Tokyo at this very moment?

Not quite sure I take your full meaning- but you know that is something of a good summary of how the infamous Tokyo meguca political body probably functions. Only without a QM who can make them actually make up their minds/enforce the vote. And probably no mods. I mean, unless Homura and threats of kneecapping, or other meguca of similar frustrated disposition, count as mods in this situation?

... so, when we one day open talks with Tokyo, we'll have to be the messageboard voting on how to negotiate with the equivalent of another messageboard who's voting on how to negotiate with us. Oh, that'll be all the fun, eh?
 
Could three people pull off the enchanting each others magic trick? Could we create a Clone Army of Grief Manipulating Mamis?
 
@mCooperative - I was going all the way with that! Are they trying to seize control of the government, not just Magical Girl politics?

[x] Onmur

Y'know Sayaka can use ribbons too, right? Not that there's any reason she has to be the one who does so, I'm just pointing it out; either way it would be useful if Mami teaches her how to do that trick too.

And I just had an idea relating to using Mami's ribbons to exten the range of soulgems:

First: I don't know whether soulgems have problems when trying to / can control a body that's not their own or not; but if, for any reason, we come across a meguca who lost a body *cough*GOTOHELLSOUJUS*cough* and we want to give them a temporary body while recreating their original, we could use ribbons to connect their soulgems to those bodies (how long do Mami's ribbons last?).

Tho, I don't know if it would be necessary or even a good idea in the case of the victims of the craziesSoujus, because that of the body dysphoria and the traumas.

Using mind or soul powers to craft a body that feels appropriate might be a proper precaution. Very good point, some people get severe problems with one fake limb, and this goes to the logical extreme. But the magic of connection that the ribbons carry... is it the same thing as SoulGem remote control? I'd suggest you go back through old posts for evidence.

I could almost guarantee you that if Urobutchi wrote an extension of Puella Magi in the Middle East, all problems would stem from very old Magical Girls who are the local branch of the Knights Templar and never stopped waging a crusade for the Holy Land.

Probably the historical / scriptural identity of Aisha would get appropriated as a Magical Girl?
 
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Not quite sure I take your full meaning- but you know that is something of a good summary of how the infamous Tokyo meguca political body probably functions. Only without a QM who can make them actually make up their minds/enforce the vote. And probably no mods. I mean, unless Homura and threats of kneecapping, or other meguca of similar frustrated disposition, count as mods in this situation?

... so, when we one day open talks with Tokyo, we'll have to be the messageboard voting on how to negotiate with the equivalent of another messageboard who's voting on how to negotiate with us. Oh, that'll be all the fun, eh?


Oh, BTW, that kinda was a Cold War SciFi movie already. "Colossus, the Forbin Project." But with computers.
 
Now that we know that Mami has fourth-dimensional ribbons, I find myself again considering the possibility that she could spread a network of ribbons across the city at 100 meter intervals so that Sabrina could extend her senses and powers far beyond her normal range.
 
Now that we know that Mami has fourth-dimensional ribbons, I find myself again considering the possibility that she could spread a network of ribbons across the city at 100 meter intervals so that Sabrina could extend her senses and powers far beyond her normal range.

Would that be best as some form of enchanted substrate? On the theory that enchantment is a work that becomes separate from the caster, this avoids high demand for attention or "always on" magic.
 
... this would be hilarious. It would be great to see Sabrina be half expecting our world's politics and then have to react to-

... wait. So. What you're saying is that clearly North Korea may be ruled by another quest protagonist who's being piloted by a secret cabal of magical girls because one of them wished for democracy. And they got it in the form of an SV Quest. With all the local meguca in the country as the 'players', the voters, the votecrafters. And now they're caught between fighting Witches, desperately trying to run a country reasonably, desperately trying to run a person reasonably, abusing their new power for the lolz and/or personal gain, and trying to make sure they don't have a winning vote that threatens to nuke Tokyo.

... North Korea better have a really good QM. And maybe some mods.

... PMAS and North Korea-Quest; the crossover we never knew we needed.
This is now my headcanon for the Saja.
 
Ah, there's the second one. I feel like there was a third time our intel was weird about something unexpected, or more than that, but I can't recall where. Nuclear power, the idol industry, and... hm. Not sure. Well, at the least, guess we probably shouldn't try and help with anyone's history homework without checking our in-universe sources first, then.

I recall there was a point where you guys did a net dive and found that while most stuff is the same, there were bits and bops that were off...

EDIT: Here it is:

Akita Prefecture, as Oriko said way back then, so that's a straight shot north west from here. It's big enough that you can recognise it from the air, you suspect, but just to be sure, you start looking up landmarks.

Japan looks oddly crowded on the map, more cities than there ought to be. There's less farmland than you'd expect, and out of curiosity, you follow that thread of thought. It looks like hydroponics cultivation is far more commonplace than you remember, which would explain how the country supplies itself. Japan's a net exporter of high-tech goods, as expected.

You follow that thread of thought, searching for a world map. Arab Spring happened -ishappening- and you know that it started with the Tusinian Revolution. It happened, andthings spun out of control, as you remember.

The world doesn't look too different. There are more people, and more events, than youremember, but the broad strokes remain. The major countries all exist with the more or less the same borders from your memory, though you're not quite sure about the Caucasusregion.

Which is... strange. Shouldn't the effect of magical girls be more potent? More visible?You'd almost have expected extra wars, orperhaps a lack thereof from the effect ofWishes. But then...

You know Cleopatra was a magical girl - in and of itself strange, but she was one of the magical girls Madokami collected. And you know Jeanne d'Arc was a magical girl, too. There must, then, have been some degree of convergence to history, perhaps the effect of the Incubators concealing things and smoothing out the bigger ripples.

It doesn't fully make sense, and you suspect only one being would give you the kind of answers you want on that, but talking to Kyuubey about another world you remember? You've seen what lies down that path.

... well, maybe two beings. Madokami might know, but you can't exactly talk to her. Maybe she'd answer prayers from you?

Hmm. You don't see anything major that might trip you up. The Olympics still happen, the Allies still won the Second World War and precipitated right into the Cold war, but were still responsible for Japan's post-war economic boom. China's Great Leap Forward happened... essentially as expected.

You sigh, closing the browser tab... tabs. Since when were there that many?
 
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I recall there was a point where you guys did a net dive and found that while most stuff is the same, there were bits and bops that were off...

EDIT: Here it is:

Ah, that was it! Thanks for finding that! Hn, so we should be okay with our broad knowledge- but the devil may be in the details, I guess, then. Which means North Korea might could still be run by a shadow meguca messageboard. Things to watch out for?
 
That would be wonderful for storing large objects. We'd still have a standard packing problem by volume, and probably some shape constraints, but it would be much better for flexibility and not blocking off entire sections of our available space.

Edit: You know I've been here too long when I start feeling avarice for a hypothetical way to solve a problem about 4-space we haven't even run into yet.
I don't think it's possible to fold something in higher dimensions if all you have is an access to those higher dimensions.

While picking up a piece of paper (representing a 2d-plane) and folding it in 3d-space to make a shortcut between two points is possible...
But in this example, beyond having access to a higher dimension, we also possess the ability to make specific points in 2d-plane to correspond to differing points in 3d-space.

In other words, we have both the primarily higher dimensional perception, and ability to warp the alignment of lower dimensional structures relative to higher dimensional system of coordinates. We might do without the first, without perception. But to fold objects, the second one is a requirement. Thus, simple transposition, by shifting solely along the 4th dimensional axis, is insufficient.
 
I don't think it's possible to fold something in higher dimensions if all you have is an access to those higher dimensions.

While picking up a piece of paper (representing a 2d-plane) and folding it in 3d-space to make a shortcut between two points is possible...
But in this example, beyond having access to a higher dimension, we also possess the ability to make specific points in 2d-plane to correspond to differing points in 3d-space.

In other words, we have both the primarily higher dimensional perception, and ability to warp the alignment of lower dimensional structures relative to higher dimensional system of coordinates. We might do without the first, without perception. But to fold objects, the second one is a requirement. Thus, simple transposition, by shifting solely along the 4th dimensional axis, is insufficient.

That would be my concern, yeah. It would be good if we could do it- and I'd rather like to SCIENCE! at it for a bit to test- but I'd be more surprised if we managed it, than surprised if we didn't.
 
Now that we know that Mami has fourth-dimensional ribbons, I find myself again considering the possibility that she could spread a network of ribbons across the city at 100 meter intervals so that Sabrina could extend her senses and powers far beyond her normal range.
Can we actually extend our senses outward from her ribbons? I got the impression that we couldn't leave her ribbons outside our radius
 
Using mind or soul powers to craft a body that feels appropriate might be a proper precaution. Very good point, some people get severe problems with one fake limb, and this goes to the logical extreme. But the magic of connection that the ribbons carry... is it the same thing as SoulGem remote control? I'd suggest you go back through old posts for evidence.

I'm just speculating based on the fact that Mami's power is to connect, and what others have said about how there seems to be a relation between the distance at which we can control grief and the distance at which a soulgem can control a body; for all I know Mami's ribbons can't be used for that, but hey, whe can try doing SIENCE on it!~

Tho, I'm not sure if you'll be on board with the idea, since it can mess Sabrina's soulgem's ability to control her body, or it can "connect" both in a entirely horrifiyingdifferent way... or it just simply won't work and I'm just making up dumb scenarios.

Changing the subject:

"I still dunno why you wanna do this for her," she mutters. "I... I mean I get why, but I don't get why, if you get what I mean? You've got a thing about helping people, she has a tragic backstory and everything, sure, I buy that. But why this? What's so bad that you want to get her out now? And you knew Homura and I wouldn't be happy about it, too."

I think a direct answer to that question could have been this:

--[X] Oriko's foreseen death.

We know her mindset is what made her only able to see death in her future, but what if those futures were the most probable because she subconsciously was creating the circustances for them to happen, we know she already rejected her wish, but the point is that we don't want to treat a person who used to have auto-destructive tendencies the way we're threating Oriko...

Tho, maybe I'm exaggerating, yeah, keeping her in the mansion were her father hung himself is horrible, and that in itself would have been enough reason to at least bring up moving them out of there, but, if you take that out, it really isn't so bad, that said giving them limited rein can only help Oriko rehabilitate faster... without mentioning how worried Kirika's poor family may be right now.

That said if we are not gonna punish O&K for her crimes, there actually has to be another form of meaningful retribution for what they did, I mean, selling her house to donate money to the victims and an apology to the Mikis will be quite splendid, but I'm not sure if it would be completely satisfactory for Sayaka; that's why I'm completely on board with the idea of the Kures doing actual communitary service.
 
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I don't think it's possible to fold something in higher dimensions if all you have is an access to those higher dimensions.

While picking up a piece of paper (representing a 2d-plane) and folding it in 3d-space to make a shortcut between two points is possible...
But in this example, beyond having access to a higher dimension, we also possess the ability to make specific points in 2d-plane to correspond to differing points in 3d-space.

In other words, we have both the primarily higher dimensional perception, and ability to warp the alignment of lower dimensional structures relative to higher dimensional system of coordinates. We might do without the first, without perception. But to fold objects, the second one is a requirement. Thus, simple transposition, by shifting solely along the 4th dimensional axis, is insufficient.
Can't we just apply different forces to parts of an object? If we push the edges Ana and the middle Kata, that should fold it along four dimensions, right?
 
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