On this note, one of the things that immediately comes to mind for Yuki's offer is and making an evacuation route/logistics network for the Walpurgisnacht fight.

Here's a question- how well would she have to saturate the area directly around where Walmartnight is gonna drop to be able to bring to bear the sort of area control we just faced? Because, as we just learned, even defensively that's a really good ability for getting out of tight spots- and unlike us, Walpurgisnacht doesn't actually saturate the entire area with murderfog. Yuki with area control would be very good for those instant evacs that, hn, I believe quests in general normally rely on Homura's timestop for? (Or at least Sayaka Quest's Walnutmart fight.)

Actually, we've got a lot of mobility in this quest, don't we? Homura in timestop, Yuki's teleport/area control, Sakura when she's willing to help, everything that Sayaka has managed to pick up, Sabrina's Super Supersonic Mobile Befriending/Oppression Platfortress... And a lot of area control/knowledge, between grief fog, ribbon grid, timestop, Yuki again, Sayaka again probably... Oriko if her precog ever gets back up and running.... Huh. Cool. Betcha we're going to need it all, at some point.

But yeah, as long as Yuki is on the lookout for more "London bridge is falling down- and so are the rest of the buildings in the area" type of hazards, she could be pretty important for keeping casualties low and keeping eyes on how the fight as a whole is going, as long as she's willing to play field monitor. Though, of course, this requires the Mitakihara party to be willing to grant her heavy local authority over the Walpurgisnacht fight space, requires Yuki to be able to establish that dominion (either in a practical physically-capable-of-it sense, or in a timely manner, the latter of which would probably also depend on if Homura would let her use timestop to set up an advantage this big, and on if Yuki could even establish dominion during timestop), and requires Yuki to be confident enough in Homura's intel about Walmartnight's location to think this is a good plan.

... lotsa requirements, really. Probably a plan for later- much later- as we actually start Walpurgisnacht planning. But in conclusions, good thought, important thought! And evac and logistic support has to be on the table even without Walnutmart field of combat area control saturation.

I think Homura would feel more secure having Sayaka copy the power to do that than leaving it to a relative stranger.

Speaking of Sayaka, she's got a lot of powers. A lot even by our standards, I think? What's the actual current list, was the one used in the omake a few pages back accurate? I feel like some time should be spent setting up an actual running plan of what powers we need to be suggesting she take advantage of (accounting for our metaknowledge and tendency to munchkin). Because there are a lot of "we probably want Sayaka to do this as opposed to trusting New Ally McGee with sensitive tasks", I feel like, and I get the impression they don't actually end up in the planning pipeline as much? (... then again, I may have missed some crosstalk, even speeding through all 5300 pages of this quest and not just chapter-hopping. Eh.)

Re: Vote thoughts:

Well it looks like Iowa may be incoming. We didn't really get much information about them from Nadia aside from that they tend to "raid cities"- we might should ask if Yuki has more details on what they do. What does "raid" entail- carpetbomb the mundane bits as well as the local meguca, cause terrorist-like symptoms, gang warfare, enough of a fuss to call down local military/defense force presence, what? Whatever it is, Yuki seems pretty worried, even with her owning basically the city and certainly the bits her group is heavily invested in. More information, at least so the thread can percolate about it until such time it becomes relevant, is prolly a good idea.

Even if it's not Iowa, Yuki is right that we're stirring up a fuss. We're between adversarial engagements at the moment, but with Iowa and Feathers and Walnutmart in the pipeline, plus whatever we inevitably poke with soulguca- Riona Mag Aoidh- and the Soujus, and any other incoming plot... Having a good idea of how threats are scaled, with Iowa details, would be of use for general preparations, I think.

Still want to ask about other locals like the supervillains in the volcano.

Point of order- since we're looking to talk more about the defense agreement and get to- and I just noticed Firn's note about getting back as school ends, nevermind.

If we want to broach the issues with Rin and Sakura, I feel like now may not be the best time. Since we're in the middle of things, it seems like we wouldn't be giving our full attention to whatever we poke our nose into. Maybe defer these thoughts to after we're more done with defense pact negotiations and Anri is safely ensconced?

... and as I end this ramblingly long post that I've been working on instead of what I'm supposed to be doing right now...

<Paranoid incubator noises>

Speaking of incubators, where has Kyubey been? We had been looking for a chance to offload some grief onto him- I don't think we had the chance?
 
Speaking of incubators, where has Kyubey been? We had been looking for a chance to offload some grief onto him- I don't think we had the chance?

He tried to talk to us but the Pleiades were there and we were busy with Anri so we told him to buzz off, remember. That was only like 2-3 hours ago.
 
[jk] Haggle
-[jk] Make her take more gold
-[jk] "I can turn grief into gold, perhaps a small mansion? Gold plate that entire shopping mall? The nearby mountain?"
 
I liked the fight scene, by the way. It conveyed the sense we couldn't truly deal with and shrug off all of it. Either stops needed to be pulled, which they were, or we'd be stuck in a long, drawn out battle of attrition... which we'd win, since we managed to score hits and Grief defense is OP enough Yuki couldn't.

Sabrina will always win a true battle of attrition because she can easily clean her own gem mid-battle while everyone else is on a grief-accumulation time limit.
 
I've been thinking about this a bit:

I liked the fight scene, by the way. It conveyed the sense we couldn't truly deal with and shrug off all of it. Either stops needed to be pulled, which they were, or we'd be stuck in a long, drawn out battle of attrition... which we'd win, since we managed to score hits and Grief defense is OP enough Yuki couldn't.

Though, just like we could just win by using overwhelming power, Yuki could have just teleported away any time she wanted, so if we're ever in actual conflict with the Fukushima, we'll know how it'll go. It'd be a game of destroying bases until we can corner them, while the Fukushima would have to do whatever they can with that time limit.

Sabrina will always win a true battle of attrition because she can easily clean her own gem mid-battle while everyone else is on a grief-accumulation time limit.

I think the fight demonstrates just how limited we are if the enemy has a counter to gemming and has placed us in a situation where loads of innocent people are present and we can't just use brute force. Like, say, by the Iowa group using a shopping mall full of people as a human shield.

So we need to start gathering more allies to fill in for some of these weaknesses. Like, say, this group.
 
Figures the way we could worm our way into Sakura's graces is through wit, humour and brain damage. :V

[Q] Yuki
- [Q] Back to Mitakihara
- [Q] Introduce her to your friends
-- [Q] How?
---[Q] EVERYBODY DO THE DINOSAUR!


"No."

"It'll get them to help against Walmart Night."

*Does the dinosaur*
 
That sounds like it might be better suited for part of the defense pact arrangement.
Well, this round of haggling is pretty much over. What Yuki didn't expect is that we kept all our meagre haggling skill in reserve for the defense alliance negotiations. That's where we'll blindside her with a plan that will help both of our teams and make everyone happy in the long run. She'll never see it coming.
 
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I second, this is a good tag-along. I can't wait.

Now, we can also have The Talk.

Since Sabrina is here to help, and Tsuruya seems to have exactly the powers to do so, we need to give her some 'mysterious intel' right now, as we pump for Iowa gossip. Equal exchange.

- [] Get more Iowa gossip

Blame the sourcing on someone else, if we need to. We should go into detail about the cascading failure modes of the Fukushima Daiichi station, and the return of historic tsunami high water flooding in an alternate history. She can do something with this knowledge. And the fact that the earthquake didn't happen, along a fault that repeats this behavior over centuries, only means that it is still coming someday. We care, and even if it is only a minor tweak to her city, she obviously loves to prep.

Right now, we need more Anri details, they are new as jailers, our expectations will be a part of the success. A contract generally may include implementation details, so let's make a scratchlist. How did she intend to help us get a therapist? She seemed to imply capability in the past, we should follow up now.

-[] Tour Fukushima now

We need to hear what her enemies think about her. Important part of her reputation. Sabrina's enemies all say good things(!)
 
So, I'm unfortunately at the point where I can't pay attention to the full thread, just the story posts, so I don't know if anybody has brought this up yet but... Sabrina's grief fog is made of micro particles of grief, right? Like, smaller than molecules or something? And I assume when she isn't controlling it directly, just sort of sits on the breeze? If it didn't move with the air, that would be dangerous, right? And she wouldn't be able to feel people if the grief didn't react to it, like with the air getting pushed out of the way.

So if the grief fog is in the air and free moving, following air currents, shouldn't that mean people are breathing it in? And if people are breathing it it, the grief particles are small enough that they can and should get absorbed into their bloodstream. And if that's true, there should be a few things Sabrina can do with that.
A) Perfect tracking, even if they teleport. It's not like people leave the oxygen in their blood behind when they teleport, so they should take the grief particles with them too.
B) Puppet people, blood bending style. Once the grief has reached a certain saturation point, controlling it all should affect the body in someway.
C) Insta-kills, or insta-maiming at least. The grief is already inside of them, so just form it into a spike going through their heart or brain. Or decapitate people by forming a disk of grief in their neck. Useful for enemies that just won't sit still.

I'm not suggesting Sabrina use these abilities frivolously but there will probably be times where an enemy is so dangerous, this sort of thing becomes warranted.
 
We need to hear what her enemies think about her. Important part of her reputation. Sabrina's enemies all say good things(!)
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We should go into detail about the cascading failure modes of the Fukushima Daiichi station
We asked Oriko about that during the Sendai kerfuffle. She said it was upgraded a few years ago so that failure mode no longer exists.
 
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Yuki squints at you, pursing her lips.
"I don't believe you," Yuki says flatly.

"That's reasonable," Yuki allows, making a motion to the side. "Do not worry about harming me, or the location we'll be fighting in, and don't worry about exposing magic - I contracted an illusionist to conceal it before, since my team uses it for training. I can rebuild it, and I will commission Miss Mori to be on standby."
Sweeeeeeet, we get to demolish a building.
"I will be honest: no," Yuki says. "But you wanted to know what enemies I anticipate facing? You, and others. I do not want to wind up on the opposite side of a conflict to you. Neither do I want to become collateral - there are currently no actors with an international reach targeting you, but that will only change."

"You don't have to make a defense pact with us for that," you point out. Homura would probably be annoyed with you trying to dissuade Yuki, but you feel like you have to be honest. "I'm not going to fight you unless you do something egregious."

"I need to be sure," Yuki says, blowing out a sharp breath. "For myself, and for my friends. Miss Sabrina, I don't know if you realise it, but your actions and your very existence means we'll have plenty of work to do in the days to come. Whether you succeed or fail, and even with Walpurgisnacht against you."
Okay, yeah, she's worried about becoming splash damage, and she wants some concrete reassurance that we'll bring her inside the walls if we're attacked.
"In the most concrete sense, sources tell me that the Iowa group was last sighted in India, barely a month ago. If they should make their way here..." Yuki sketches a diagonal line through the air, as if drawing a path between India and Japan. "We are in the line of fire. They would be merely the first."
We should probably tell her that we've been vaguely considering a preemptive strike on the Iowa group. We can see just as well as she can that they'll be coming for us, and they're assholes that the world would be better off without.
Yuki throws you a two fingered salute and vanishes with barely a flicker of magic.
Yep, that's her defense against being gemmed - she can just teleport out of a catch.
You build armour under your coat, wrapping Grief into dense armour plates moulded to your body.
Nice.

No helmet? Like, no big deal, it worked out, but the head is usually the first thing you put armor on.
You meet it with Grief, a flash-formed disc meeting it with a reverberating thud but magic surges ahead of the pillar like a cresting bow wave that breaks and weaves twining strands into jaws gaping wide to gulp you down whole but you're not interested in seeing what that might do and so-
under attack by the walls sprouting spikes and attempting to catch you and you deal with that by smashing through with a Grief disc hurled ahead of you.
MUDA DA!

She can't break through grief. Looks like she depends on exploits of real physics just as much as we do.
Your right hand snaps out, hammer flashing through one, then two,
Wow, brought out the hammer. Sabrina is really sandbagging.
And they close on nothing. There's disorientation as your Grief isn't where it should be, passing impossibly through her.

The moment of surprise almost costs you, a bolt of white-hot flame sheathed in magic searing past your leg.

The impossible isn't.

Some kind of illusion?

No. You can sense her Soul Gem.
Ah, and there're the more exotic effects I was expecting. How hard would it be for her to do the same to us?

Sounds like it requires quite a bit of concentration, though, otherwise she'd have maintained it.
You bring all the ceilings down. You bring it all crashing down on her, and you tear the ground out from beneath her in a single rolling pulse of will that sends a plume of dust surging throughout the building.
Did we just level the building? Nice.
"How would you have fought, if you had to win at all costs?" Yuki asks, eyes flickering open again. "If you didn't have to care about collateral?"

"Wouldn't happen," you say firmly. "There's no circumstance where I wouldn't care about collateral."
Good men don't need rules. You don't want to know how many rules Sabrina has about collateral damage.
You shrug. "Vaporize the building, probably," you say. "Or uproot it in sections and toss it into orbit. And since we're asking questions, I have two, if you don't mind?"
Hah! @The Phoenixian: Guess you called it on the intimidation. We didn't use energy emissions at all in this fight, so that "vaporize the building" line suggests an entirely new power - and a high-intensity one - that she has zero information on. Very nice.

Also, @Firnagzen, I notice that pretty much everything we voted to use, except energy emission, ended up being directly used in the spar, including the armor and the feinting with grief. Are we predictable, or how much did the details of our vote affect the outcome?
"Ah. The same technique that I use for teleporting," Yuki says, nodding. "It's a trick of folding space within a zone I claim, but it's harder to use. It's the basis for the microwave room as well - I have another room full of stored sunligh."
Bets that she has another room full of ionizing radiation?
And she wouldn't be able to feel people if the grief didn't react to it, like with the air getting pushed out of the way.
Sabrina intentionally keeps it away from people. Because getting nanometer-resolution full-body scans of people is squicky.
 
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I kinda wish we could make a Barrier to haul around some of the junk we've been collecting. I mean, I know why we haven't (time sink, Mami's trauma, highly detectable, bad PR) but I just thought about how it would be a nice upgrade for the Arc-en-Ciel/L.U.V.B.O.A.T/ MOF/whatever we're calling it now, giving it a cockpit that doesn't have to worry about G-Forces, Inertia, or Cabin Size.

Also, I wonder if Yuki could make Mt. Shinobu a magical girl with either Yuuri's, Niko's, or Hijiri's help. If one of those girls made a clone, could Yuki stuff enough magic into the body to create a mountain spirit friend? I'd imagine that Mt. Shinobu would be a very traditional girl who's stubborn, works as a part-time shrine maiden in her own Temple, rather tall, and is quiet.
 
Also, I'm guessing Homura would privately commission Yuki to make a waypoint right inside the Kaname residence, as an instant evacuation point.
Not a chance. That would also mean that Yuki could suddenly teleport to Madoka, and Homura would never stand for that. She can just use her timestop to take Madoka to wherever the teleport point is.

Isn't that a TTS thing? Is there reason to think she might have memory manipulation here?
Homura's unique power in TTS was an area-effect buff that reduced the corruption cost of magic use. The memory manipulation was something she picked up with centuries of practice.

Homura had memory manipulation powers in Wraith Arc, but there's no reason to think that she has it here.

So if the grief fog is in the air and free moving, following air currents, shouldn't that mean people are breathing it in?
Sabrina has total control and awareness of her Grief. People can't inhale it unless Sabrina wants them to.
 
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