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Raiseth said:
So the question is not "how are we gonna justify creating a Clear Seed nuke for an attempted perpetrator", but "how are gonna justify that and having to do it in front of Airi while staying inside the barrier".
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If it happens inside a privacy barrier, then how will they know what we did with the Seed after we cleared it?

Onmur said:
If we go and do something like clearing Yuuri so Anri can see, not only would Oriko be rightfully pissed at us because we went and interrupted so we could take control of the situation we asked her to take care of, but also because Oriko must have already thought about it, since she's got all the necessary data points, and given she's not asking us to go Clear Yuuri in front of Anri, she must think that's not what's needed right now.
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Oriko is not infallible. She has her share of blind spots. And Kirika is expressly saying that they want to give Anri a fake, which we feel is a really bad idea that could come back to bite us. Maybe we should have Oriko come out so we can discuss what she's intending to do here.
 
some of you feel like it's a bad idea that will come back to bite us

I keep saying that it's the only way forward right now

we can always come back and say "we tried to give you Yuuri, you told us to stop trying to pass off a fake on you, the hell were we supposed to do?"
 
kinigget said:
we can always come back and say "we tried to give you Yuuri, you told us to stop trying to pass off a fake on you, the hell were we supposed to do?"
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If we're gonna give her a Clear Seed because that's all she'll accept, it might as well actually be Yuuri's Seed. It'll save us the trouble of having to swap them out later.
 
she might get suspicious during the several minutes it takes to fully drain the Grief out of a seed
 
Torgamous said:
We can probably safely model her as a spherical Kirika in a frictionless vacuum.
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You get an Insightful for that. :V
The Narrator said:
I was assuming that we hadn't turned Yuuri's Seed into a Clear Seed yet. Otherwise it makes no sense for Anri to believe that the one she stole is unique.
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Aranfan said:
Didn't we already turn Yuuri's seed into a clear one?
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You haven't, no.
The Narrator said:
Ms. Subaru
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Keep in mind, "Subaru" is the Japanese name for the Pleiades constellation.
The Phoenixian said:
@Firnagzen Question, what grief seeds do we have on us anyways?
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I... hm. My notes on this are out of date (which I'll need to fix), but I believe it's just Hildegard right now.
 
Might I point out a pathway not expressed so far? The update is biasing for "what do we give Anri to placate her."
My theory is "a good view."
Until much later in the relationship, we have no grounds to risk or assign her anything. Is she prone to act in a criminal manner? She was, and I think that isn't open to debate. We have to get to the point where that is behind her. We just took all her privileges. Acting as just authority, do we absolve her, or return them as appropriate? So, sure, show her the other clear seed. We have a long way to go before we should give her power, or the life of one of Kyuubey's livestock. Let's see if Oriko can set up a framework for Anri's custodianship and rehab. I think Yuuri is her goal, her measure, and her reward. Subtle stuff, but please think about it. Give Kirika a short message with the clear seed. Not sure what Oriko is setting up. Cleaning out her friend's seed is also premature.

If we can get some focus on Sayaka's background symptom, which appears to be "lack of self-care," she's going to be a blazing image of what Magical Girls should aspire to. Here and now, let's get her mana back up, have her cease almost every spell. Mami should be aware, given she has trained girls before?

Oh, and then I started Raving...
Let's hope Sayaka has an awesome future - given what you all have been talking about, two visions compete before me... If she could bestow a charm upon any muggle of sufficient vitality, Sayaka can activate said magic. A small amount of their clothing changes to match hers or a prop is formed! The other person can use the selected power at her level, minus learned techniques, until their (tiny) energy is expended, at which time they de-transform and feel very tired. Sayaka leads her own tokusatsu hero squad!
The other would be more centered on one important person. If she could charge her charms, and do so with the person, they could use her magic later! But at the cost of not being reinforced by the process. Enter crafted enchantments to gift strength, speed and awareness so a mortal could use the charms without rag-dolling. Such could be "police chief Sayaka, and her bud armored Tactical Sorcerist Hitomi? Who else needs that as fanart?
 
There's really no reason not to clean out Yuuri and offer her as the Clear Seed. That, and deceiving Anri is a thing that'll end poorly if she hasn't been brought to sufficient reason. So while Sabrina is leaving it up to Oriko, unless Oriko has a specific reason why not, Sabrina should just put in the time to Clear Yuuri.
 
Hmm.
Did Kirika bring Yuuri's Seed with her?
If not, Sabrina'll have to go there or send Kirika, pick up the Seed and clean it, and only then give it back to Oriko.
I think she didn't.
Well, compared to other problems, this one is pretty insignificant.
 
Ask Kirika if she can have Oriko step out here so we can discuss it? If only one meguca is going to be watching Anri, it's probably better that it's the one that's specced for close combat and has antimagic.
 
[X] Offer to clear a seed as an example that Clear Seeds aren't unique. You didn't want to provoke a tantrum by clearing Arzt Kochen but it'd be stupid if she got mad at us for lying.
-[X] Otherwise, lend Kirika Hildegard.

[X] Talk shop with Niko:
-[X] Clear seeds move from "comatose" to "sleeping" with use. It could help with magic-contacting them.
-[X] Talk about ethical grief seed substitutes.
--[X] Grief normally only exists inside souls. You're an exception, so enchantment could bear fruit.
-[X] Offer advice from your "clairvoyance" on pitfalls Niko might encounter.
--[X] Note how soul gem stuff could alienate Hijiri.
-[X] Ask if she'd like to help form a research network. You also want to induct Riona, the soul manipulator, should you meet on good terms.

[X] Rejoin Sayaka and Mami.
-[X] Ask how Sayaka's "clone at school" thing's going.
-[X] Ask to examine one of Sayaka's gems, compare it's structure to a familiar.
--[X] Mention that you're curious whether they could empower non-meguca. Something to test later?

It's a bit longer than I'm happy with, in points as well as wordcount, but it'll do.

Reworked the opening bit. We can give warning and options, but it lets Kirika ultimately calls the shots.

Edited Sayka's gem speculation to specifically "non meguca."

I'd originally cut Riona since her cooperation was not a sure thing, but I've been convinced to the contrary. Especially as the total wordcount for the point can be cut in half.

I'd still like to hear people's thoughts on the "metaknowledge" subblock, including whether noting Hijiri's reaction is the best way to circumvent freezer-y issues, but I'm filling it in for now.
 
Firnagzen said:
"Alright," you say, with a smile. You clasp her shoulder. "Homura, I know I've said this a lot, but I care about you. OK?"

She nods, and hands you a Grief Seed from her pocket. Just as well, really, you're down to Hildegarde, that one oil derrick Witch, and Elsa Maria, yourself. You should probably take a look at that one Seed to check her name at some point. Later. You step to the end of the corridor where there's an open window. You're pretty sure Tomohisa and Junko have retired to their room, but you keep a sharp ear out. Mami joins you a minute later, just as you start extracting Grief from the Seed.
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This is the latest instance I've found of any of our Seeds being mentioned.

So we should have Hildegarde, Oil Derrick Witch (never to be named), and Elsa Maria.

Any other mention of Seeds after that are from us cleansing other people's Seeds or so.

Redshirt Army said:
I think I'll add a Clear Seed tracker to the calendar when I have some time later today.
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I'll halp! a bit.
 
Did we give Kyouko a Seed when we met with her at the hotel yesterday(?) morning and found she no longer had hers? I'm on mobile right now, so I can't check.
 
Doublepost, but vote is updated.

[X] Offer to empty a seed to show that Clear Seeds aren't unique. You didn't want to provoke a tantrum by clearing Arzt Kochen but it'd be stupid if she got mad at us for lying.
-[X] Otherwise, lend Kirika Hildegard.

[X] Talk grief seed substitutes with Niko:
-[X] Potential specifics:
--[X] Clear seeds move from "comatose" to "sleeping" with use. It could help with magic-contacting them.
--[X] Grief normally only exists inside souls. You're an exception, so enchantment could bear fruit.
--[X] Offer advice from your "clairvoyance" on pitfalls Niko might encounter.
[X] Ask if she'd like to help form a research network. You also want to induct Riona, the soul manipulator, should you meet on good terms.

[X] Rejoin Sayaka and Mami.
-[X] Ask how Sayaka's "clone at school" thing's going.
-[X] Ask to examine one of Sayaka's gems, compare it's structure to a familiar.
--[X] Mention that you're curious whether they could empower non-meguca. Something to test later?


Rearranged the science talk a bit, think that block works better using the goal-specifics format.

Given that Niko's said she doesn't want to talk about Hijiri, I've removed point relating to her. Though I'm going to pin "[] Propose giving the Saints an antimagic enchantment to study," to my list of notes to do as soon as O&K are available along with "[] Swap out Aurora"
 
[X] The Phoenixian

I like the condition on Kirika, since I'm iffy on Oriko's strategy, but do want to empower her. Niko's talk is amenable to the bullet point format, so that's good. And talking about Sayaka's powers with Sayaka makes sense.
 
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