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Julian Bradshaw said:
Clearing out Yuuri's grief seed in front of Anri does solve our immediate problem, I think.

However... how are we going to justify to everyone else why we're giving insane murder girl an infinite-magic token identical to the one we just beat her up for stealing?
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We should ask Niko for help justifying it. She knows them more than us.
 
Julian Bradshaw said:
Clearing out Yuuri's grief seed in front of Anri does solve our immediate problem, I think.

However... how are we going to justify to everyone else why we're giving insane murder girl an infinite-magic token identical to the one we just beat her up for stealing?
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Don't clear out Arzt Kochen, clear out, say, Else Maria or another grief seed we have and visibly, notably swap it for Aurora (possibly while also holding Hildegard for extra point driving.) The point here isn't to make Yuuri's seed into the special one, it's to prove that they aren't special because of something inherent but because we made them so.
 
Clearly, the solution to making her accept that the one we gave her is actually Arzt Kochen without giving her a Clear Seed is to clear all the Seeds and act like Clear Seeds are the standard, and that Yuuri's really is special. :V
 
Going to her with two clear seeds of any kind (hildegard and whichever we gave to Niko) would probably break her impression in the first place. Then maybe we could clean Arzt Kochen.
 
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Jakobstj said:
Clearly, the solution to making her accept that the one we gave her is actually Arzt Kochen without giving her a Clear Seed is to clear all the Seeds and act like Clear Seeds are the standard, and that Yuuri's really is special. :V
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Given she picked the Clear Seed out as being special in the first place, think the witch's already hatched on that one.
 
I don't think modifying what she'll eventually accept as Yuuri's seed in front of her is a good idea. Better to just give Kirika a Clear Seed, like she asked, so that Oriko can break Airi's impression that they're that special.
 
I'm of the opinion that we should at least make *a* clear seed in front of Anri. Doesn't have to be Yuuri.

Do we have any other grief seeds on hand?
 
I still say you all are expecting an unreasonable amount of clarity and rationality out of someone who's in the middle of a Grief spiral
 
Okay.
So I'm just going to throw it in here.
Guys, you do realize that whatever you're going to do with Airi ( clearing Yuuri's Seed in front of her, not Yuuri's Seed, microwaving tea in front of her ), Sabrina'll have to do it behind the privacy field?
Because a mad Meguca raving about her beloved's Soul really isn't the safest thing to flaunt in front of a normal magical girl.
So the question is not "how are we gonna justify creating a Clear Seed nuke for an attempted perpetrator", but "how are gonna justify that and having to do it in front of Airi while staying inside the barrier".
 
side note: Don't forget to figure out how to fold up our Privacy Sphere like a tarp or balloon so we won't have to waste as much time making the damn thing considering how much sekret talks we keep having.
 
We could always Witch out for powers. :V

Witch Barrier acts similarly to our privacy field, and it's always with us!
 
Redshirt Army said:
I don't think modifying what she'll eventually accept as Yuuri's seed in front of her is a good idea. Better to just give Kirika a Clear Seed, like she asked, so that Oriko can break Airi's impression that they're that special.
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I agree.

Furthermore, I'd ask the thread to stop treating Oriko as if she was an idiot.

We left this in her hands. This is not the time for CONTROLLING ISSUES ALWAYS KNOWS BETTER SABRINA to pop up with THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

If we go and do something like clearing Yuuri so Anri can see, not only would Oriko be rightfully pissed at us because we went and interrupted so we could take control of the situation we asked her to take care of, but also because Oriko must have already thought about it, since she's got all the necessary data points, and given she's not asking us to go Clear Yuuri in front of Anri, she must think that's not what's needed right now.

We asked Orikk to handle this. She's been dealing with crazy bitch for a few minutes (and we're not privy to how the situation's developed), so let's give her, the person in charge of crazy bitch's situation, what she's judged she needs in order to better deal with crazy bitch.
 
So then yeah

Really the only thing we can do to move this mess forward is to give her a clear seed

It can be Yuuri's if people want it to be, but she's never going to accept anything else
 
Appletank said:
side note: Don't forget to figure out how to fold up our Privacy Sphere like a tarp or balloon so we won't have to waste as much time making the damn thing considering how much sekret talks we keep having.
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You know... I have to wonder if that could work with the hammerspace/tea hiding enchantment.

@Firnagzen Question, what grief seeds do we have on us anyways?

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[] Ask Kirika if Oriko would have use for us making a seed in front of Anri. Make a clear seed or lend her Hildegard as appropriate.
-[] While you're at it, you've been meaning to talk about swapping Aurora for a new seed now that she's woken up.
 
kinigget said:
So then yeah

Really the only thing we can do to move this mess forward is to give her a clear seed

It can be Yuuri's if people want it to be, but she's never going to accept anything else
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I mean, I agree that I don't think we have a move that will convince her fully, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the attempt.

The more we act in good faith now, the easier it will be for us when she does cotton on that she's could be wrong. If we give her a clear seed and claim that it's Yuuri (also confirming we tricked her!), we're fucked later. If we give her a clear seed after demonstrating they aren't unique, trying to persuade her about the other seed, and continuing to insist that it isn't Yuuri, then if she does have doubts eventually we're in the relative clear.


Firnagzen said:
"You get an impression of the other person," she says slowly, blushing. "Of them in... human language lacks words to explain it. In, in a transcendental way."

"Yeah, pretty much," you say, nodding in agreement.

"... if the Grief Seed is... drowning in Grief, then wouldn't your impression be of overwhelming despair?" Niko points out.

"Which is exactly what I felt," you say, blinking. "Huh. Never thought about it in those terms before. I... you may be on to something, but I'm not sure what-"

You just happen to be staring over Niko's shoulder, at the hazy world beyond, at exactly the right time to notice Kirika emerging from the interrogation privacy sphere. She looks faintly frazzled, hunting around the rooftop before noticing your privacy field with Mami and Sayaka standing nearby.
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So just so we remember at what point in the conversation we were interrupted.


[] Anri
-[] Lend Kirika Hildegard and Apate to prove that they're not unique.
-[] Alternately, Anri might be able to feel Yuuri by channeling magic into the seed, albeit with despair feedback. Careful with this - would require relaxing antimagic and cleansing her gem.
-[] You'd clear Yuuri's seed in front of her if they think it would prove anything, up to them.
-[] If she's still stupid, she can have Hildegard for now, but they should continue to insist on the truth.

[] Niko
-[] To go back to where we were, you've removed the grief so no drowning in despair, but that just makes what's left inside inactive. You haven't tried magic-contacting it, maybe that's a way to confirm. Alternately, reactivate it...somehow. Thoughts?
-[] End conversation with blanket support and a commitment to talk more another time.



Thoughts?
 
Redshirt Army said:
I don't think modifying what she'll eventually accept as Yuuri's seed in front of her is a good idea. Better to just give Kirika a Clear Seed, like she asked, so that Oriko can break Airi's impression that they're that special.
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But that's not the plan Kirika is presenting? She's saying they want to give her a Clear Seed that they'll pretend is Yuuri's. They're not trying to break the impression, they're playing along with it.
 
Jakobstj said:
But that's not the plan Kirika is presenting? She's saying they want to give her a Clear Seed that they'll pretend is Yuuri's. They're not trying to break the impression, they're playing along with it.
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Frankly, if the plan is to admit we tried to trick her then actually trick her, I can't support it. If that's what we get out of Oriko social it's not worth doing. It really fucks over any long-term anything with Anri.

I actually want to give O&K more credit than that. Hopefully if we present a few alternatives that'll work out better for us. I think the plan isn't so much to pretend it's Yuuri's but rather to throw Anri a bone to get things moving forward. And we can still throw Anri a bone as long as we allow them to give a clear seed of some sort, but I can't support lying about it.
 
Sabrina: *Enters privacy field* "I halp!"

Oriko: "What?"

Kirika: "Sorry Oriko, I tried to stop her."

Sabrina: "Anri look!"

Anri: *Mindless roaring noises* "RARGH!"

Sabrina: "I clean Sid!" *Cleanses all the Seeds* "See? Clean Sid no Special Sid!"

Anri: *More mindless roaring noises*

Sabrina: "This not work as I expect."

Oriko: "Sabrina?"

Sabrina: "Ye?"

Oriko: "What the ever loving favour did I ask of you?"

Sabrina: "A Clear Seed."

Oriko: "Didn't you ask me to take care of this?"

Sabrina: "Aye."

Oriko: "Do you know what has transpired in the last ten minutes here?"

Sabrina: "Nein."

Oriko: "Do you think your ignorance about the specifics of the situation makes you better qualified to take decisions regarding how to treat Anri?"

Anri: "Rargh."

Sabrina: "... Nein."

Oriko: "So did you give Kirika the Seed she asked for?"

Sabrina: "N-"

Oriko: "Did you butt in uninvited and cause Anri to react badly?"

Sabrina: "Да."

Oriko: "... Stop that."

Sabrina: "OK, fine. How about I did the same... but from outside the privacy field?"

Oriko: "You'd still be butting in as far as Anri is concerned."

Sabrina: "Mmm... OK, do-over!"

Oriko: "You can't just-"

Sabrina: "That's all, folks!"

*Curtain drops*

Oriko: "What."

Kirika: *Glomps Oriko*

Anri: "Finally."
 
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