There's a bit of a stretch there, since actual Yuuri was a sweet cinammon roll who witched out due to overusing magic in healing people from anime incurable diseases.

We've also only just now heard from her, and literally everything else we've heard about comes from Hijiri, and could thus be flat out lies or twisted half-truths. It's still totally possible -

Also, the typo where Hijiri called her Airi was because Firn thinks of her as Airi Anri.

Well, guess I just missed that typo. Nevermind, then.
 
Wait, also, just throwing this out their while we're still discussing things Anri might know: is it possible this is the actual Yuuki? We know timelines are a little wonky already, and we're already suspecting that Hijiri might be manipulating Yuuki, so what if this is the original, not the yandere clone? I'm not sure it's likely, but it's something to consider?

Oriko has stated the original Yuuri is dead. Oriko has no reason to lie about this.
 
Yuuri is actually a second level precog and faked her death to fool Oriko.
 
.... the threads going to catch on fire again ain't it??

Actually as someone who never read the source material for most of these characters (though I just finshed watching PMMM itself) can someone summarize the Yuuri/Airi connection?
 
.... the threads going to catch on fire again ain't it??

Actually as someone who never read the source material for most of these characters (though I just finshed watching PMMM itself) can someone summarize the Yuuri/Airi connection?

Airi had anime disease.

Yuuri Wished to heal her.

Airi later on was caught in Yuuri's Barrier. Saved by the Pleiades, who killed the Witch.

Kyuubey explains Puella Magi, Yuuri's Wish, and that the Pleiades killed Yuuri.

Airi Wishes to become Yuuri and swears revenge.

Later on, she Witches out while fighting the Pleiades, after repeatedly kicking their asses and using an Evil Nut Asunaro Almond on Kazumi#13, speeding up her re-Witchification process.

(Kazumi 13 is the thirteenth clone of Kazumi the Pleiades made, after Kazumi witched out, and is the main character of PMKM. Oops spoilers.)

@AuraTwilight can clarify things further better than I can!
 
Yea, so, basically Asuka Yuuri contracted to heal her dear friend (girlfriend) Anri Airi. She spent herself dry trying to heal everyone she could, until she became a Witch. The Pleiades killed her. Airi realized who the Witch was and, driven insane with despair, contracted to become Yuuri and get her revenge (Kazumi also incidentally knew of Asuka Yuuri and is thus possibly witchbombed by this event).

Airi's psychology here is basically by becoming Yuuri she can allow her to have her revenge, letting Yuuri be the one to destroy her killers. She also continually goads the Pleiades into remembering her face and her sin, and when they insist they have no idea who she is, she grief-spirals over them being so uncaring that they don't even remember the girl they killed. It's implied she'd of been more lenient with them if they showed serious remorse.

That failing, though, she decides to hurt them by making them suffer the pain she did; by turning their most precious person, Kazumi, into a witch. She is entirely unaware of the irony that they've already suffered in this way.
 
Airi had anime disease.

Yuuri Wished to heal her.

Airi later on was caught in Yuuri's Barrier. Saved by the Pleiades, who killed the Witch.

Kyuubey explains Puella Magi, Yuuri's Wish, and that the Pleiades killed Yuuri.

Airi Wishes to become Yuuri and swears revenge.

Later on, she Witches out while fighting the Pleiades, after repeatedly kicking their asses and using an Evil Nut Asunaro Almond on Kazumi#13, speeding up her re-Witchification process.

(Kazumi 13 is the thirteenth clone of Kazumi the Pleiades made, after Kazumi witched out, and is the main character of PMKM. Oops spoilers.)

@AuraTwilight can clarify things further better than I can!

Kaizumi is a clone?! Or is this one not a clone?
 
They're the same thing.
Not in the way I was using the term. I was using the phrase 'insane from grief' to mean what it normally means in english language, whereas if she was 'insane from grief' in the sense of the cascade failing reality bending 'grief' of Puella Magi, then she would be grief spiraling.

So no, it's the same word, but doesn't mean the same thing. Not even if she is also grief spiraling at this time.

Edit: Also the infohazard is not contained to something only Sabrina knows, the remote possibility of someone telling our friends is already a possibility and telling someone who canonically knows does not change that probability.
 
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Mmm...



While Isis is not Niko's Witch's name, that doesn't matter here.

While I can't say what Firn was thinking, this bit of Nephthys informations... in wikipedia... does seem to fit Hijiri's situation:

You've got her, who in the process of losing her identity, seeing her family as strangers, feels like she vanishing, dying,Meanwhile, her 'sister' gets to be 'reborn', as in, she rejects her own life and tries to live vicariously through Hijiri.
I think that a Welcome to Night Vale quote is needed here, if you will just give me a second to find it...I can't find it, but it was about how you die every second and get remade while leaving a ghost behind.
 
Edit: Also the infohazard is not contained to something only Sabrina knows, the remote possibility of someone telling our friends is already a possibility and telling someone who canonically knows does not change that probability.
There's a step you're missing there: PMAS isn't canon. We can make guesses about whether she's witchbombed, but saying that there's "no change" is horseshit. There is a possibility that she is not witchbombed. That creates a massive negative result with probability nowhere near zero.
 
There's a step you're missing there: PMAS isn't canon. We can make guesses about whether she's witchbombed, but saying that there's "no change" is horseshit. There is a possibility that she is not witchbombed. That creates a massive negative result with probability nowhere near zero.
The 'no change' is in reference to the fact that 'The Witchbomb' is already out there. As there are others than Sabrina who know this fact, choosing to not mention it to someone does not decrease the odds that Mami or another of our friends could be told of this fact.
 
The 'no change' is in reference to the fact that 'The Witchbomb' is already out there. As there are others than Sabrina who know this fact, choosing to not mention it to someone does not decrease the odds that Mami or another of our friends could be told of this fact.
...More people knowing about something makes it more likely to be spoken. Our enemies even more so, since they can use it as a weapon. And people tend to talk about things they're thinking about, and they tend to think about things they've recently been thinking about.

That and you're totally forgetting about the effects on Yuuri herself. You... do realize that we want to help her too, right? You know, the way we've helped every other "Bad guy" we've defeated? And that breaking her mind by witchbombing her would make that slightly more difficult?
 
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Putting aside that, yea, Yuuri might mentally self-destruct over learning the Witchbomb if she doesn't already know it, we'd be handing her ammo. Other people might know the Witchbomb, but Yuuri is unique in that she has incentive to tell it to everyone in our group in order to deliberately hurt them.
 
The 'no change' is in reference to the fact that 'The Witchbomb' is already out there. As there are others than Sabrina who know this fact, choosing to not mention it to someone does not decrease the odds that Mami or another of our friends could be told of this fact.
That's a rather disingenuous argument that deliberately elides the point. Granted, it doesn't decrease the odds, but it at the very least does not increase them. If you're digging in just to argue for the sake of arguing, I'd recommend you not.
 
Can we just drop this line of thought so we can talk about things that actually matter? Like the vote?

Asking what Yuuri was after in Niko's workshop is a good thing to ask for, I'll look for some extra words to fit that in.

I think that I'm going to leave my vote not touching the plan to regroup and let Kazumi do that, but I'm not sure if we should mention to her that we're on the line with Yuuri and trying to engineer a shortcut. I'd be worried about Kazumi trying to butt in. On the other hand, we need to remember to tell our allies that Yuuri holds infohazards and that they shouldn't let her talk to them, and saying "I'm not going to pull anyone in because infohazards" is reasonable.
 
...More people knowing about something makes it more likely to be spoken. Our enemies even more so, since they can use it as a weapon. And people tend to talk about things they're thinking about, and they tend to think about things they've recently been thinking about.

That and you're totally forgetting about the effects on Yuuri herself. You... do realize that we want to help her too, right? You know, the way we've helped every other "Bad guy" we've defeated? And that breaking her mind by witchbombing her would make that slightly more difficult?
To be fair, context is important here; it wouldn't have been nearly as easy for Kyuubey to recruit her had she not been right there when Yuuri's Witch was killed. While technically 'honest', Kyuubey cares a hell of a lot more about yields than human contrivances like 'duress' and 'informed consent', which is why he almost always proposes the contract at the height of the girl's emotional vulnerability; he can't just turn up in Airi's living room and go 'hey btw these bitches killed ur gf, gibe contract'.

Given that we know that Yuuri is dead, Airi has it out for the Pleiades, and Hijiri went ballistic after being clonebombed, the odds of Airi not being witchbombed seem rather low. Timeline flux might have adjusted things in Asunaro more than the usual, but it never changes the fundamental story.
 
"Ah, well, bed and suspended transport are very closely related, and they're more of a spectrum of the sediment mass - the heaviest ones will... roll across the bottom of the river, pushed by the current, whereas the suspended load consists of particulates small enough to float in the current."
That's their geography test?!
I shudder to think what they study in Physics class.
"Let's see the most elementary applications of the abovementioned principle, such as, say, a hypothetical ideal tetrahedron moving at the speed approaching the third cosmic velocity, one of its sides parallel to the solar system's plane..."

Which does suggest the idea of Witching out Homur-

... I don't even.
Whose bright idea
How in the blue fuck across the moon
Didn't you have enough when someone suggested blackmailing Oriko
What the

Ugh.


Also English, German, Italian, Russian, several dialects of Hindi, Klingon, Witch, Cockney...
For a full list, contact your local Incubator. Sabrina Inc. doesn't take any responsibility for an accidental or intentional separation of Soul should you follow through with this course of action.

Yeah, I've seen the full list somewhere in the thread. So?
"You are," she agrees. "I... yes. You are."

But will you stay?
Mumi.:(

I think Mami's thought process involves logical ( if probably incorrect) conclusions that if Sabrina speaks a lot of languages, then she must've travelled a lot. Who's to say Japan wasn't just a brief stop for Sabrina on her way somewhere else?
Well, us, but fortunately, Mami doesn't hear voices in her head.

One of Kyouko for Sayaka? Not that they've even met yet.

Such trivialities do not concern true believers.
Some people ship characters across the different franchises, for God's sake.

Finally, you come to a halt, pulling into a lazy hover nearly a kilometer away from where you'd started. You've gotten all you can, you think - if any escaped, they're well away by now. Tsk.

This'll come back and bite us in our collective ass, right? Of course it will, why do I even ask.

Eh, who needs dignity, anyway.

I knew one guy, he always said he had dignity. I think he was lying.

You've already eaten, and while puella magi... probably can't get fat, Kyouko being all the proof you'll ever need,

That raises an interesting question: do meguca even need to eat? Probably yes. Let's not be the one to test it out.

If you ever wondered about how I thought I could do PMAS: Run Away to the US Edition...

Well, that'd mean we'll leave a mighty mess in our wake, and unless Homura is incapacitated, she's still going to reset the timeline. Or is she traveling through alternate universes? The show was never really clear on that. Because, fuck you, saying "karmic destiny" with a clever face enables me to do whatever the fuck I want! I'm the anime Michael Bay, bitchez, I'm the Slayer of your hopes and dreams, the Murderer of Megucas, the one and only!..
Urobutcher!
Sorry, I'll see myself out.:lol

Rage, rage against the dying of the light and all.

Well, it could be a Dylan Thomas' quote. But I think we all know what at least fifty percent of forum lurkers thought instead.
I'll give you a hint.
Link the Flame.:rofl:
( honestly, it sounds a little ridiculous. Maybe Japanese version conveys a profound meaning using alternative readings of Kanji and shit. But I digress. )

Nihilism is usually countered by its ideological counterpart. "If the life has no meaning, then I can give it whichever the meaning I want to."
I don't know how you counter Fatalism, though.

"Except..." You sigh again. "Ugh, I'm doing it again. I just want you and Kirika to be alive and happy. Except I went about it entirely the wrong way, and I've been pretty inconsiderate."

"Looks longingly at the tinfoil hat, sighs, and puts on glasses with a very thick frame, instead. Starts talking with a heavy Austrian accent."
Your mere existence is, from a certain point of view, an imposition of will upon others. That is true for everyone. Talking to them is just another way this imposition is reflected upon the real world, and more first year philosophical drivel. Girl, you have serious control issues. Only, funny as it is, you perceive yourself as the authority. The protagonist, let's say.
May I present you this fine specimen, ailed by what, in a psychological layman's terms, would be described as the "Emiya Complex". Very widespread in a group of people with certain inclinations.

"Is there... what was it?" Kirika asks. "Is it anything I can do?"

Mm. Can you kiss yourself and cuddle and stuff?
Cause if not, then sorry, nope.

"Cool," she says, stepping back. The manic intensity dissolves like a storm breaking, melting into a smile. "So, what did you want to ask Oriko?"

She switches gears faster than a fashion enthusiast switches designer bags.

"Uh," you say. You can't deny the fact that the thought has crossed your mind. Numerous times, in point of fact. You've even considered offering it up as... recompense for Oriko burning down Sayaka's house.

That's what twenty days without an update does to people. Not that I'm complaining. Sure as hell fun to watch.

Considering that there's been tangible evidence of memory lapses in your friends, namely Sayaka herself... you do have to wonder about enemy action, as it were.

If this whole thing turns out to be a reality war between Momokami and Momucifer, I'm going to be pissed.

"Do we have an, um, a working agenda?"

An abused eleven year old knows what a "working agenda" is.
... Maybe PMMM Japanese education is just that good.
Maybe someone wished to increase its quality or something.

Mami and Kyouko's conflict, Asunaro... things on the plate that need to be resolved. Hopefully soon, and hopefully more easily. A confluence of factors... well. Then again, World War One was a confluence of factors too, and look at how that turned out.

What? I thing it ended well.
Next time you'll tell me that communism isn't the best thing in the world.;)

"The... errand I mentioned," she says. "I will be hacking the local meteorological agency mainframe."

Agh, fuck, what do they teach kids in this school?!
Deep breaths, she's in the loop, she's had enough time to learn it herself, even running around and trying to defeat the unbeatable Witch and save Madoka from contracting, yeah right, of course she could've learned hacking, silly me.
Homura glances away. "I... commissioned instructions from Inoue Yuuki in Ishinomaki a... while ago," she says. "It's not really hacking."

Ah. Should've read on. Raised my blood pressure for nothing.

You huff. "Conversation, Homura," you say. "I want to talk to my friend."

Homura is so emotionally stumped it's not even funny anymore. Not that it was funny.
On the plus side, it's probably the only reason she hasn't despaired yet. So there is that.

Hah, dancing. Would you have a transformation dance? Probably some kind of janky robot dance, really. Just the right blend of westaboo-ism in there, really, and probably just right for Mami to sigh at you in exasperation. So just perfect, then.

:lol

... file that as plan, uh, plan D, you guess.

English alphabet has more letters than that. Don't be shy.

Moemura's still in there somewhere.

Yeah. Decades under trauma of repeating the same month over and over just to watch Madoka die. Jokes aside, we really need to get her to therapist somehow. After all this is over. I guess, if someone knowledgeable joins the thread by the time, we could be the therapist. Doesn't really matter. It's only in those old Japanese RPGs people resolve emotional traumas by deciding to carry on and bring justice and freedom to everyone. Maybe, maybe sometimes their friends say something helpful to them.
I thought Shinji fucking Ikari had problems. Well, let's put it that way: Homura isn't insane only because she can't afford to. That, and she has balls of steel that wouldn't look out of place in a game of water polo. Now, there's an image...:confused:

Homura shrugs again, black hair rippling over her shoulders.

Homura conditioned herself not to give fucks. She takes them, instead. Something about an anti-fucks giving black hole I've read somewhere in SV. Or was it SB?

Hmm. If you swear by Madokami, would that count as heresy? You are insulting her consort sort-of-but-not-really.

I see it now. We have parental issues, everyone! Very funny parental issues.

Maaaan, but this chapter is long. Loooong. Looooooooong. I think it's something like twice as long as the usual one. Also, I think I'll take a break and post this one huge wall.
"Looks up and notices the sheer size of it"
Yeah I'm good.
 
Or is she traveling through alternate universes?

The extra notes make it clear that it is, in fact, parallel universes.

Anyway, here's a thought: Does Yuuri have a phone? If she shuts down our telepathy, we can ask Hijiri for her phone number to pester her with texts instead...

...and then we cut off Hijiri's telepathy so she can't warn Yuuri, then track Yuuri right the hell down with the help of hackerguca!
 
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