Vinyl
The pinnacle of mental health and good ideas
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Same answer. Do it quick, do it ugly, but having the most basic idea of what's going on for an incredibly low investment of time and energy is a good thing.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- Philippines
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- She/Her
If the triggering cause is not there, yet the underlying causes are still there, bad things can still happen. It's not a guarantee, but it's a likely possibility.
Meanwhile, in Asunaro...
"My name is Sabrina. I'm here to help."
Meanwhile, in Asunaro...
"My name is Sabrina. I'm here to help."
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LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
As I understand it, the the triggering cause was Michiru witching out. The cause of that was the witchbomb.
Michiru witching caused the collapse of the rest of the Asunaro group because she was the lynchpin they had constructed their monkeysphere around.
They may have eventually recovered but for the fact that their lack-of-michiru-induced desperate science produced not!kyubey who could not!cleanse soul gems, leading to them thinking they were fine whilst they all grief spiraled in slow motion.
To effectively defuse Asunaro, we will have to A) Witchbomb Michiru under controlled circumstances, and B) Either inform them that Jubes can't cleanse gems, or make it so he can.
Dealing with the three villains of the story would also be advised, but I think that a stable Pleiades Saints is fully capable of dealing with them, so it's not one of the absolute "must do".
Note that the above assumes we are pre-Kazumi-canon, and that Oriko wasn't mistaking Kazumi for Michiru, in which case... shit's gonna be a lot harder to deal with.
"Pillage, then burn."
More seriously, we probably want Mami on board for any expedition into Asunaro. However, if the triggering condition is a witchbomb, that means that Mami needs to be inoculated against it.
Which means we need to witchbomb Mami.
For that, we need lots and lots and lots of time to spam "Hug Therapy no Jutsu", so maybe we buy about a month's worth of food, invite Homura over Saturday night, and spend the next several weeks in subjective time playing meguca therapist. It's not like we're going to run out of cleanses.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- Philippines
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- She/Her
Vinyl
The pinnacle of mental health and good ideas
- Location
- Some hospital
Yeah, this is such a point of contention to the thread that I'm deliberately ignoring it.
Forget bringing anyone else along, forget springing any bombs, just get in, trade information and seeds, then get out. Anything else risks a return to the thread's endless circles.
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
Uhhhh.... I don't know if we have enough time for that before Walmart
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Luckily, we have a master chronomancer on hand.
No. Just no. Disagree strongly on all counts.
Witchbombing Mami would be an abominable act with the current situation, and that "solution" fails to take into account Mami's actual issues and simplifies the degree to which this would destroy her entire reason for living. It's several orders of magnitude worse than the lichbomb's implications. We could keep her from witching, but we'd still break her.
Witchbombing Mami without a very different situation is not viable, for reasons that have been argued to death.
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
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- She/Her
How about if we think the Witchbomb is involved Mami stays the hell away from there? I doubt she's absolutely essential to preventing a complete collapse there and I couldn't possibly justify even risking a controlled Witchbomb right now otherwise. Anyways, isn't the main reason we want their science to advance dewitching, and don't we in large part want dewitching so we can soften the blow of the Witchbomb to manageable levels, for Mami?
Have we phrased out an adequate explination for our meta-knowledge?
Because I get pissed everytime it's vaguely phrased as 'I just know stuff' when we HAVE adequate words to explain it. Like, i myself have defined the extent of our visions, and others have too.
It's frustrating to play the 'I just know things' narritive when it's not strictly true anymore.
Because I get pissed everytime it's vaguely phrased as 'I just know stuff' when we HAVE adequate words to explain it. Like, i myself have defined the extent of our visions, and others have too.
It's frustrating to play the 'I just know things' narritive when it's not strictly true anymore.
It's not vague. It's true for Sabrina. We can't be too specific without dropping bombs or information like their private information. How Sabrina gets her information is something she herself honestly can't define.
akrasiel23
A wraith no more
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- Peru
"Oohhhh.""You are anime characters."
"And the writer of this series is Gen Urobuchi."
"...."
*Mass Panic*
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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- She/Her
Weeeeell, we do have at least a little definition. Most of it appeared with Sabrina's own existence, and is intrinsic to her, we can't really explain it much. Some of it appeared out of the blue in a fashion similar to clairvoyance, specifically Oriko and Kirika's wishes and the situation in Sendai city right before we arrived. At least once it has come directly in the form of a propheticish dream, if I recall correctly. We can definitely say what it isn't. It's not our wish magic, it's not memories from whatever past we had, it's not something we gained from someone else or deliberately tried to get. It exists in Sabrina's mind and appears to be there because of a fundamental property of who she is.
Right, but that isn't saying HOW we inherently know the stuff in her mind/that we dream, so it's basically "loldunno" in more words given that it isn't wishbased or whatnot...
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Exactly. And I'd love it if this was pointed out. Their are explinations that don't need to be "we're fictional characters."
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"OK Mami, listen up. There's three categories for weird effects:
"One, 'Enchantment' Magic. This is Magic that can be used by anybody who can manipulate magic, it's just a matter of time and practice.
"Two, 'Wish' Magic. This is Magic that is unique to those who have made the precise Wish to get it. It's not entirely unique, as everybody could theoretically Wish for the same thing and get mostly the same 'Wish' Magic.
"Three, 'Sabrina'. 'Sabrina' is 'Sabrina'."
"One, 'Enchantment' Magic. This is Magic that can be used by anybody who can manipulate magic, it's just a matter of time and practice.
"Two, 'Wish' Magic. This is Magic that is unique to those who have made the precise Wish to get it. It's not entirely unique, as everybody could theoretically Wish for the same thing and get mostly the same 'Wish' Magic.
"Three, 'Sabrina'. 'Sabrina' is 'Sabrina'."
I think PMAS Urobuchi writes teh fluff
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It's not?
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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- Laniakea Supercluster
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- She/Her
Well... I can't say definitely not, but there's no proof of it and I can't think of many plausible ways it would be? I mean, I seriously doubt Sabrina would have a backstory like 'actually an inserted Madoka fan from the real world' and I don't think there'd be another way to justify the metaknowledge with backstory?
Anomalous Materials pt. 17
"I can't say I don't understand where she's coming from, really," you admit, shaking your head. "Her mom got hurt, and..." You shrug. "I'm not going to be asking her to like you. Miracles and magic exist, but some things are a wee bit too much to ask and all, yeah?"
Kirika shrugs, eyes closed as she burrows into Oriko's lap. "Not saying I don't get why she thinks so," she mumbles, words muffled by the seer's skirt. "Just that she's wrong."
You snort. "Fair enough," you say, waving it off. "Look, I... her driving motivation is justice, not vengeance. I'm hopeful that I can work through this."
Kirika cracks one eye open to grin at you. "Do your best," she says, before closing her eyes and squirming to arrange herself properly across two chairs and Oriko's lap.
You vaguely wonder about her apparent forgetting about Sayaka, because now that you think about it, you're pretty sure both you and Oriko have mentioned her. It's entirely possible that she just flat out wasn't paying attention, or that she's enough of a ditz to simply forget, but... you'd think that her razor sharp focus on Oriko would let her remember.
Hm.
Considering that there's been tangible evidence of memory lapses in your friends, namely Sayaka herself... you do have to wonder about enemy action, as it were.
Oriko continues to run her fingers through Kirika's hair, slow and rhythmic. "I believe that it would be best were Sayaka informed soon," she says. "You have a picnic soon, don't you? Not then, but... perhaps soon after that. It's better to clear it earlier than to leave it to fester."
"Is that from your visions or otherwise?" you ask curiously. You feel a vague pang; Kirika had asked to let them out of the house, but you can't. And there you are having a picnic.
Ah, well.
"Common sense," Oriko says, blinking slowly. "Besides, we are in accord that Kyuubey is likely going to use it to our detriment, aren't we? The sooner it can be nipped in the bud..." She shrugs eloquently.
"Yeah, fair enough," you say, idly tucking a loose strand of hair behind your ear. "Well... I was actually thinking of dropping in sometime soon, with Sayaka." You hasten to continue as Kirika opens her eyes, the beginnings of a frown crossing her face. "I mean - without telling her who you guys are, just introducing you blind and getting her to see you as people first?"
Oriko purses her lips, giving you a considering look. "I would be fine with that," she murmurs. "Kirika?"
"If you're fine with it, then I'm good!" Kirika chirps, beaming up at the seer.
Oriko nods at you. "I'm surprised," she notes. "I wouldn't have thought you'd suggest something like that."
"Well, if you have any ideas, I'm all ears," you say, trying to keep the defensiveness from your voice. "I mean, it's all kind of precarious, and um, well, it does involve both of you."
"Hey, there's a thought," Kirika pipes up. "You could let us out on a kinda-sorta date, and have Sayaka 'bump' into us?"
"That's not what I meant," Oriko says, shaking her head. "I mean-" She cuts herself off, shaking her head. "Nevermind that. It..." She exhales. "As long as you're around to mediate, I would say that things tend to resolve without death."
"Tend to?" you ask, gaze snapping to her.
"You can make mistakes too," Oriko says, giving you a blank, unreadable look. "And do remember that my visions are waning, and you're hard to see in the first place."
You grimace. "Fair enough," you sigh. You flick your eyes over to check the wall clock - it's closing on lunchtime. "Anyway. I guess... I should go. I'll be in touch. Will you guys be OK? Oriko?"
She nods, silver hair rippling. "I have Kirika with me," she says with a wan smile. "I'll be fine."
"You better be," you say as you push the chair back. "Both of you."
Kirika waves at you without getting up. "We'll be fine. See you, Sabrina!"
"See you, Kirika, Oriko," you say. "I'll let myself out. Wouldn't want to disturb you two, eh? Oh, and..." You crook your finger, mentally letting go of your hold on the Grief in the privacy rings. The little bands fall apart, dissolving into raw Grief you draw about your person as you start for the door.
"'preciated!" Kirika drawls.
You pause just before you exit the room, glancing back at Kirika. "Oh, um, one last thing, Kirika," you say. "Is your family doing OK? I meant to ask earlier."
"Hm?" Kirika asks, lifting her head a little to look at you. "Oh, um. They're fine, though they're, uh, worried about me. Oriko?"
"We told them that Kirika's staying over with a friend," Oriko says, bland and unruffled. "It's true enough."
"Is that... sustainable?" you ask, raising a dubious eyebrow at her.
Oriko shrugs. "It's... not a major concern," she says dismissively.
"Are you sure?" you ask.
She nods, running her fingers through Kirika's hair in slow, calming motions.
"Alright," you say, pursing your lips. "If you're sure."
"I'm sure," Oriko says with a sharp nod.
"Hm," you say. "Right. See you." With that, you head out, shaking your head.
As you head out through the living room, you hum a little to yourself, musing about the morality and potential ramifications of deceiving Sayaka. And whether it is really a deception or not. Really, if you're up front about it, you wouldn't be really be deceiving Sayaka, right? And hopefully she won't be too mad about the whole thing.
The sun beats down from above as you exit the house, the scent of slowly drying leaves and roses slapping you in the face as you carefully slide the great glass door shut behind you. Looks like it's going to be a hot day out today.
You sigh, a corner of your mind calling Grief to yourself from your ever present bevy of Grief spheres. It only takes you a minute to form your wings and throw yourself aloft, soaring under the blazing sun towards Mitakihara High.
"Ah... Sabrina?" Mami's voice prods at your mind.
"Hey, Mami," you say, smiling as you bank over a thermal. "I'm on my way to school now. How are you?"
"Ah!" her voice brightens. "I'm alright. A bit bored right now, truth be told. Mr. Shibata is not, ah, the best teacher."
"Aww," you say. "Well, lunchtime soon, right?"
"Lunchtime soon," Mami agrees. "See you soon?"
"Yup! Soon," you confirm, still smiling.
It's... nice.
Kirika has a point, you muse. Mami's not your girlfriend, and maybe she will be, maybe she won't. You want it to be on even terms with her, even if it does happen. But you do care about her. And that's enough.
You click your tongue at yourself. Enough of that. Hm. You should probably check in on Kyouko again. Which means making an appointment with secretary Yuma.
You grin to yourself as you reach out with your mind towards the diminutive green haired girl, including Kyouko in the call too. "Hello, Miss Chitose?"
"Uh... Sabrina?" the girl responds, sounding confused.
"Ah, good," you say, keeping your voice grave and serious. "So, I apologise for the last minute scheduling, but I would like to make an appointment to see Miss Sakura, maybe some time today?"
"Oh. Oh!" Yuma cottons on. "Ah, yes. Um. We should be able to slot you into her schedule, would later this afternoon be acceptable?"
"Another late working lunch?" you offer.
"Oi, don't I get a say in this?" Kyouko drawls.
Yuma talks right over her, not quite able to keep the giggling laughter from infusing her faux-formal tone. "A working lunch would be acceptable," she says. "Do we have an, um, a working agenda?"
"Well, I figure it would be a mostly off-line discussion," you say. "No prepared agenda per se."
Yuma huffs in mock-offense. "Miss Sabrina, that is not how things are done! Nevertheless, we will look forward to seeing you."
"'pparently I don't," Kyouko grumbles.
"A-ah," Yuma says. "S-sorry, big sis."
"Hm? No, no, I'm just teasin- yo, Sabrina, butt out," Kyouko says. "Lunch, yeah, whatever, call us, bye." She cuts the call off with sharp finality.
Ah. Well then.
"Right," you murmur to yourself. Tch. That's an ongoing thing, then. You really need to see about bringing Kyouko in to help with Walpurgisnacht, too, which, really, is why you want to see her. But then again, you didn't want to just bring it up so... casually over telepathy. Especially not in front of Yuma.
Mami and Kyouko's conflict, Asunaro... things on the plate that need to be resolved. Hopefully soon, and hopefully more easily. A confluence of factors... well. Then again, World War One was a confluence of factors too, and look at how that turned out.
You sigh as you coast in for a landing on the fenced off roof of Mitakihara Middle School, a few minutes early, and plop yourself down on the sun-warmed bench as you wait for the school bell to ring.
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Kirika shrugs, eyes closed as she burrows into Oriko's lap. "Not saying I don't get why she thinks so," she mumbles, words muffled by the seer's skirt. "Just that she's wrong."
You snort. "Fair enough," you say, waving it off. "Look, I... her driving motivation is justice, not vengeance. I'm hopeful that I can work through this."
Kirika cracks one eye open to grin at you. "Do your best," she says, before closing her eyes and squirming to arrange herself properly across two chairs and Oriko's lap.
You vaguely wonder about her apparent forgetting about Sayaka, because now that you think about it, you're pretty sure both you and Oriko have mentioned her. It's entirely possible that she just flat out wasn't paying attention, or that she's enough of a ditz to simply forget, but... you'd think that her razor sharp focus on Oriko would let her remember.
Hm.
Considering that there's been tangible evidence of memory lapses in your friends, namely Sayaka herself... you do have to wonder about enemy action, as it were.
Oriko continues to run her fingers through Kirika's hair, slow and rhythmic. "I believe that it would be best were Sayaka informed soon," she says. "You have a picnic soon, don't you? Not then, but... perhaps soon after that. It's better to clear it earlier than to leave it to fester."
"Is that from your visions or otherwise?" you ask curiously. You feel a vague pang; Kirika had asked to let them out of the house, but you can't. And there you are having a picnic.
Ah, well.
"Common sense," Oriko says, blinking slowly. "Besides, we are in accord that Kyuubey is likely going to use it to our detriment, aren't we? The sooner it can be nipped in the bud..." She shrugs eloquently.
"Yeah, fair enough," you say, idly tucking a loose strand of hair behind your ear. "Well... I was actually thinking of dropping in sometime soon, with Sayaka." You hasten to continue as Kirika opens her eyes, the beginnings of a frown crossing her face. "I mean - without telling her who you guys are, just introducing you blind and getting her to see you as people first?"
Oriko purses her lips, giving you a considering look. "I would be fine with that," she murmurs. "Kirika?"
"If you're fine with it, then I'm good!" Kirika chirps, beaming up at the seer.
Oriko nods at you. "I'm surprised," she notes. "I wouldn't have thought you'd suggest something like that."
"Well, if you have any ideas, I'm all ears," you say, trying to keep the defensiveness from your voice. "I mean, it's all kind of precarious, and um, well, it does involve both of you."
"Hey, there's a thought," Kirika pipes up. "You could let us out on a kinda-sorta date, and have Sayaka 'bump' into us?"
"That's not what I meant," Oriko says, shaking her head. "I mean-" She cuts herself off, shaking her head. "Nevermind that. It..." She exhales. "As long as you're around to mediate, I would say that things tend to resolve without death."
"Tend to?" you ask, gaze snapping to her.
"You can make mistakes too," Oriko says, giving you a blank, unreadable look. "And do remember that my visions are waning, and you're hard to see in the first place."
You grimace. "Fair enough," you sigh. You flick your eyes over to check the wall clock - it's closing on lunchtime. "Anyway. I guess... I should go. I'll be in touch. Will you guys be OK? Oriko?"
She nods, silver hair rippling. "I have Kirika with me," she says with a wan smile. "I'll be fine."
"You better be," you say as you push the chair back. "Both of you."
Kirika waves at you without getting up. "We'll be fine. See you, Sabrina!"
"See you, Kirika, Oriko," you say. "I'll let myself out. Wouldn't want to disturb you two, eh? Oh, and..." You crook your finger, mentally letting go of your hold on the Grief in the privacy rings. The little bands fall apart, dissolving into raw Grief you draw about your person as you start for the door.
"'preciated!" Kirika drawls.
You pause just before you exit the room, glancing back at Kirika. "Oh, um, one last thing, Kirika," you say. "Is your family doing OK? I meant to ask earlier."
"Hm?" Kirika asks, lifting her head a little to look at you. "Oh, um. They're fine, though they're, uh, worried about me. Oriko?"
"We told them that Kirika's staying over with a friend," Oriko says, bland and unruffled. "It's true enough."
"Is that... sustainable?" you ask, raising a dubious eyebrow at her.
Oriko shrugs. "It's... not a major concern," she says dismissively.
"Are you sure?" you ask.
She nods, running her fingers through Kirika's hair in slow, calming motions.
"Alright," you say, pursing your lips. "If you're sure."
"I'm sure," Oriko says with a sharp nod.
"Hm," you say. "Right. See you." With that, you head out, shaking your head.
As you head out through the living room, you hum a little to yourself, musing about the morality and potential ramifications of deceiving Sayaka. And whether it is really a deception or not. Really, if you're up front about it, you wouldn't be really be deceiving Sayaka, right? And hopefully she won't be too mad about the whole thing.
The sun beats down from above as you exit the house, the scent of slowly drying leaves and roses slapping you in the face as you carefully slide the great glass door shut behind you. Looks like it's going to be a hot day out today.
You sigh, a corner of your mind calling Grief to yourself from your ever present bevy of Grief spheres. It only takes you a minute to form your wings and throw yourself aloft, soaring under the blazing sun towards Mitakihara High.
"Ah... Sabrina?" Mami's voice prods at your mind.
"Hey, Mami," you say, smiling as you bank over a thermal. "I'm on my way to school now. How are you?"
"Ah!" her voice brightens. "I'm alright. A bit bored right now, truth be told. Mr. Shibata is not, ah, the best teacher."
"Aww," you say. "Well, lunchtime soon, right?"
"Lunchtime soon," Mami agrees. "See you soon?"
"Yup! Soon," you confirm, still smiling.
It's... nice.
Kirika has a point, you muse. Mami's not your girlfriend, and maybe she will be, maybe she won't. You want it to be on even terms with her, even if it does happen. But you do care about her. And that's enough.
You click your tongue at yourself. Enough of that. Hm. You should probably check in on Kyouko again. Which means making an appointment with secretary Yuma.
You grin to yourself as you reach out with your mind towards the diminutive green haired girl, including Kyouko in the call too. "Hello, Miss Chitose?"
"Uh... Sabrina?" the girl responds, sounding confused.
"Ah, good," you say, keeping your voice grave and serious. "So, I apologise for the last minute scheduling, but I would like to make an appointment to see Miss Sakura, maybe some time today?"
"Oh. Oh!" Yuma cottons on. "Ah, yes. Um. We should be able to slot you into her schedule, would later this afternoon be acceptable?"
"Another late working lunch?" you offer.
"Oi, don't I get a say in this?" Kyouko drawls.
Yuma talks right over her, not quite able to keep the giggling laughter from infusing her faux-formal tone. "A working lunch would be acceptable," she says. "Do we have an, um, a working agenda?"
"Well, I figure it would be a mostly off-line discussion," you say. "No prepared agenda per se."
Yuma huffs in mock-offense. "Miss Sabrina, that is not how things are done! Nevertheless, we will look forward to seeing you."
"'pparently I don't," Kyouko grumbles.
"A-ah," Yuma says. "S-sorry, big sis."
"Hm? No, no, I'm just teasin- yo, Sabrina, butt out," Kyouko says. "Lunch, yeah, whatever, call us, bye." She cuts the call off with sharp finality.
Ah. Well then.
"Right," you murmur to yourself. Tch. That's an ongoing thing, then. You really need to see about bringing Kyouko in to help with Walpurgisnacht, too, which, really, is why you want to see her. But then again, you didn't want to just bring it up so... casually over telepathy. Especially not in front of Yuma.
Mami and Kyouko's conflict, Asunaro... things on the plate that need to be resolved. Hopefully soon, and hopefully more easily. A confluence of factors... well. Then again, World War One was a confluence of factors too, and look at how that turned out.
You sigh as you coast in for a landing on the fenced off roof of Mitakihara Middle School, a few minutes early, and plop yourself down on the sun-warmed bench as you wait for the school bell to ring.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Sabrina comes to terms with her feelings! Whee!
What was Oriko expecting?
Tenative vote ideas:
[]Greet Mami and your other friends. Mamihugs if appropriate?
[]Hi, guys!
[]See how everyone's doing. Ask about their morning. Keep an eye on Hitomi.
[]If you get the chance- or can take the time to make one- talk to Mami privately, away from the others. Tell her you'd like to introduce Sayaka to Oriko and Kirika after telling her about Walpurgis and Feathers...and before telling her that Oriko and Kirika were the ones who burned down her house. We...we're pretty sure Sayaka would hate them unless we can get her to see them as people before knowing what they did to her house, and we believe this could be the best way to do it- if she agrees- but we want to know what Mami thinks about it...
[]Run the idea by Homura as well...and ask her if she'd be okay with bringing Madoka into timestop as well.
What was Oriko expecting?
Tenative vote ideas:
[]Greet Mami and your other friends. Mamihugs if appropriate?
[]Hi, guys!
[]See how everyone's doing. Ask about their morning. Keep an eye on Hitomi.
[]If you get the chance- or can take the time to make one- talk to Mami privately, away from the others. Tell her you'd like to introduce Sayaka to Oriko and Kirika after telling her about Walpurgis and Feathers...and before telling her that Oriko and Kirika were the ones who burned down her house. We...we're pretty sure Sayaka would hate them unless we can get her to see them as people before knowing what they did to her house, and we believe this could be the best way to do it- if she agrees- but we want to know what Mami thinks about it...
[]Run the idea by Homura as well...and ask her if she'd be okay with bringing Madoka into timestop as well.
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