If we want Sayaka to have a Multitasker Clone, we'd have to make a full clone for her to copy with Kazumi's power... but we don't know whether that close would be range limited, or not.

Right, but even if the multitasking clone she makes by copying us through Kazumi is range limited, she can just delegate controlling the non-range limited Aki clone to it.

Because in the end, what the situation in Asunaro really needed was more clones.
 
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[jk] Lie through your teeth: You are a clear seed disposal team leader. You are here to demand the immediate return of the highly experimental and unstable clear seed. It is known that improper use of the clear seed without the necessary hardware would result in the immediate termination of the user by turning the user into a witch. Due to the resulting walpurgis level witch that may form, currently all 122 vicars in the nippon area are on standby to immediately terminate the subject should negotiations break down. Will you comply to our orders to return the seed or die?
 
Wait between Hitomi's mom, Madoka's mom and Sayaka's mom we have the foundations of a parent - Meguca Association

Mami can do bake sales!
 
Sayaka? I'd rather she called her parents and told them 'magic is real, yo'. We can offer help there.
It'd be nice if we could, but I don't think that revealing magic by text message is a legitimate option. Thinking about it further, we're dealing with school attendance as well as the parents, so this'd involve convincing Sayaka's parents calling her in sick. I think that we could do it, but it changes the timeframe I was imagining when I originally wrote the vote - that explanation would have to happen this afternoon, which is way too fast and on top of that upsets the timetable we'd given to Hitomi's mother. So I no longer think that that's an option.

"She's looking for magic ways to solve her problems" is not an argument. Sayaka is panicking hard right now. I do not think that she is in the mood to handle finicky plotting and it'd certainly drain brain juice that she does not have to spare. She can't focus on it like she could running a clone. So I'm going to support sending a clone home.

FFS, we planned to reveal magic later! We planned to have Hitomi's mom there, we planned to do it calmly and with Sayaka prepared and with a coherent story and game plan. I think that you are being seduced by the idea of Sayaka calling her parents on the phone and going "Magic is real, call me in sick I'm fighting evil, kbai". That's not going to happen. Otherwise Sayaka would have already suggested it.
If we want Sayaka to have a Multitasker Clone, we'd have to make a full clone for her to copy with Kazumi's power... but we don't know whether that close would be range limited, or not.
She can copy Kazumi's copy, then use the chibi to help her control the full body.

...Heck, she could create multiple chibis, then use all of them to coordinate the full clone-body. You know how you sometimes get the image of a bunch of tiny people hiding inside a cloak pretending to be a tall person? It's like that, except instead of a trench coat, it's six chibis crawling all over the inside of a VR tank hanging off the inputs and pulling on things with strings.

[] Simultaneously: Sayaka.
-[] Support the clone plan.
-[] Have her copy chibis from Kazumi for multitasking support.

[] Simultaneously: Hijiri
-[] Goals:
--[] Continue conversation/therapy with same principals.
--[] Get more Yuuri intel. Yuuri's arguments, plans, powers, etc.
--[] Keep Hijiri occupied to prevent coordination with Yuuri.
--[] Nudge hypothetical-Hijiri-Hostile into making a mistake.
--[] Subtly investigate discrepancies.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Thank her for connecting you.
--[] Commiserate about being misled by crazy schemers.
---[] Let Hijiri believe we have a precog.
--[] If you get an opening, ask her what she wants to do with her life. Not just good therapy, an excellent distraction.

[] Simultaneously: Yuuri.
-[] Move to a new channel minus Hijiri.
-[] Goals:
--[] Skip the hunt by getting her to a known location. Meeting, provoke an ambush, Clear Seed inspection, doesn't matter.
--[] Learn about her motives.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Present yourself as a neutral mediator.
---[] You want to help everyone.
--[] Warn her about the Clear Seed.


...I really like this format. It's got everything - structure dictates a goals-focused approach, easily structured but explicit simultaneity, room for putting in specifics without dictating them and shooting ourselves in the foot, and low word-count overhead especially relative to the benefits.
 
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Whether Sayaka can bootstrap clones into multitasking is something to science. Could work, could not work.

I think that you are being seduced by the idea of Sayaka calling her parents on the phone and going "Magic is real, call me in sick I'm fighting evil, kbai"
I haven't even argued for that, if you check. I agreed when Mura disagreed with the idea.
 
It strikes me that you could hypothesize multitasking as a result of a wish like "I want to help everyone" - it gives you the ability to talk to everyone. Neat.

[] Simultaneously: Sayaka.
-[] Support the clone plan.
-[] Have her copy chibis from Kazumi for multitasking support.

[] Simultaneously: Hijiri
-[] Goals:
--[] Continue conversation/therapy with same principals.
--[] Get more Yuuri intel. Yuuri's arguments, plans, powers, etc.
--[] Keep Hijiri occupied to prevent coordination with Yuuri.
--[] Nudge hypothetical-Hijiri-Hostile into making a mistake.
--[] Subtly investigate discrepancies.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Thank her for connecting you.
--[] Commiserate about being misled by crazy schemers.
---[] Let Hijiri believe we have a precog.
--[] If you get an opening, ask her what she wants to do with her life. Not just good therapy, an excellent distraction.

[] Simultaneously: Yuuri.
-[] Move to a new channel minus Hijiri.
-[] Goals:
--[] Skip the hunt by getting her to a known location. Meeting, provoke an ambush, Clear Seed handover, doesn't matter.
--[] Learn about her motives.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Present yourself as a neutral mediator.
---[] You want to help everyone.
--[] Warn her about the Clear Seed.
Hmm. I forgot to talk about the hunt plan. Do we need to?
Also, Kazumi will be directing you to meet back up at home base to reconvene and reassess for another hunt, unless you suggest something else.
My vote proposal would let Kazumi direct everyone to group back up for a meeting. I think that that's reasonable. I'd expect us to have some results from Yuuri by then. And we don't really have a better plan right now anyway.

Actually, I take that back, I do have a plan. If we cluster back up, the meeting will happen verbally. Meaning that Hijiri could hear it. Meaning that we'd be having the real discussion telepathically, and what we say out loud is misinformation that Hijiri-Hostile can feed to Yuuri. So, whatever we actually decide for the next stage of the hunt, which will depend on what happens in our conversation with Yuuri, we'll want to group up anyway.

edit: We might want to tell everyone else what we're up to, though.
 
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[] Let's talk about turning grief seeds back into magical girls.

That actually seems like a pretty good subject for Sabrina to bring up to defuse Anri. I think it would be better saved for if she gets aggressive, but explaining how the Pleadies could potentially restore Yuuri... Should either get Anri to think twice ("I could get them to revive her") or make things worse ("They could revive her but haven't!?") depending on how that's handled.
 
That actually seems like a pretty good subject for Sabrina to bring up to defuse Anri. I think it would be better saved for if she gets aggressive, but explaining how the Pleadies could potentially restore Yuuri... Should either get Anri to think twice ("I could get them to revive her") or make things worse ("They could revive her but haven't!?") depending on how that's handled.

Um. Uhhh.

You, uh, do realize that that's the witchbomb, right?
 
It'd be nice if we could, but I don't think that revealing magic by text message is a legitimate option. Thinking about it further, we're dealing with school attendance as well as the parents, so this'd involve convincing Sayaka's parents calling her in sick. I think that we could do it, but it changes the timeframe I was imagining when I originally wrote the vote - that explanation would have to happen this afternoon, which is way too fast and on top of that upsets the timetable we'd given to Hitomi's mother. So I no longer think that that's an option.

"She's looking for magic ways to solve her problems" is not an argument. Sayaka is panicking hard right now. I do not think that she is in the mood to handle finicky plotting and it'd certainly drain brain juice that she does not have to spare. She can't focus on it like she could running a clone. So I'm going to support sending a clone home.

FFS, we planned to reveal magic later! We planned to have Hitomi's mom there, we planned to do it calmly and with Sayaka prepared and with a coherent story and game plan. I think that you are being seduced by the idea of Sayaka calling her parents on the phone and going "Magic is real, call me in sick I'm fighting evil, kbai". That's not going to happen. Otherwise Sayaka would have already suggested it.

She can copy Kazumi's copy, then use the chibi to help her control the full body.

...Heck, she could create multiple chibis, then use all of them to coordinate the full clone-body. You know how you sometimes get the image of a bunch of tiny people hiding inside a cloak pretending to be a tall person? It's like that, except instead of a trench coat, it's six chibis crawling all over the inside of a VR tank hanging off the inputs and pulling on things with strings.

[] Simultaneously: Sayaka.
-[] Support the clone plan.
-[] Have her copy chibis from Kazumi for multitasking support.

[] Simultaneously: Hijiri
-[] Goals:
--[] Continue conversation/therapy with same principals.
--[] Get more Yuuri intel. Yuuri's arguments, plans, powers, etc.
--[] Keep Hijiri occupied to prevent coordination with Yuuri.
--[] Nudge hypothetical-Hijiri-Hostile into making a mistake.
--[] Subtly investigate discrepancies.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Thank her for connecting you.
--[] Commiserate about being misled by crazy schemers.
---[] Let Hijiri believe we have a precog.
--[] If you get an opening, ask her what she wants to do with her life. Not just good therapy, an excellent distraction.

[] Simultaneously: Yuuri.
-[] Move to a new channel minus Hijiri.
-[] Goals:
--[] Skip the hunt by getting her to a known location. Meeting, provoke an ambush, Clear Seed inspection, doesn't matter.
--[] Learn about her motives.
-[] Potential specifics:
--[] Present yourself as a neutral mediator.
---[] You want to help everyone.
--[] Warn her about the Clear Seed.


...I really like this format. It's got everything - structure dictates a goals-focused approach, easily structured but explicit simultaneity, room for putting in specifics without dictating them and shooting ourselves in the foot, and low word-count overhead especially relative to the benefits.
Won't be able to participate for a while, so, Some thoughts:

On Sayaclones:
From her work on our the fog, I get the impression that don't Kazumi doesn't copy our multitasking. Our chibiclones are very much based off of Mami's baseline, and she makes them easy for herself to control. There's no certainty of them adding extra processing capacity.

I might recommend just asking Sayaka to check for multitasking problems when she goes out, and if she encounters problems, we can switch to a plan B (call ahead/make something up) if needed.

On moving Yuuri to a new conversation:

I have to ask if it would be better to give Hijiri the explicit choice of whether she wants to remain in that conversation or not. While it does mean that we have less control, when it comes to Hijiri's issues of agency, this is putting our money where our mouth is.


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Been a little bit, so I'm curious, About what time is it in story?
 
From her work on our the fog, I get the impression that don't Kazumi doesn't copy our multitasking. Our chibiclones are very much based off of Mami's baseline, and she makes them easy for herself to control. There's no certainty of them adding extra processing capacity.

Kazumi's copies of our chibis explicitly include boosted multitasking. Looking for the cite.
 
And if she's NOT Witchbombed, and we're in a universe where Kyubey QBTruthed her with "The Pleiades killed your girlfriend" without her being a direct witness?

Like she's likely to be Witchbombed but PMAS!Asunaro is fucked enough that you can't just assume someone is fucking witchbombed. That's a mistake you can never undo.
 
Airi would have already been witchbombed. IIRC it's her whole reason for contracting.

So long as it doesn't get to others in the group it shouldn't summon any unfortunate Russian 8-bit tunes.
We're operating on the assumption that everything about Asunaro is different. This would be no exception.

I'd prefer not to bring the witchbomb up to Yuuri's conscious attention. The more she thinks about it the more likely she is to blurt it out later.

Furthermore, I don't think that Yuuri cares about dewitching. That's Niko and the rest of the Pleiades. We wouldn't get any value out of that discussion in the first place.

If she demonstrates proof of having been witchbombed, and if we can guarantee she'll not talk about it with anyone, and if that discussion would be useful, and if it won't make her more unstable, if if if if if... then we can start considering it as a possible option. Until then, this idea is an insane risk with no payoff.
Or she would if she's not been misinformed by Kyuubey, in which case the truth is necessary to combat his lies.
Am I correct in reading this as advocating witchbombing Airi if we establish that she hasn't already had it? ...If so, are you nuts? That's guaranteed to make this situation worse.
 
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Am I correct in reading this as advocating witchbombing Airi if we establish that she hasn't already had it? ...If so, are you nuts?
Yes for the first question, and no for the second.

I would like to hear your rational for why revealing the truth about Witches being former magical girls to an already insane with grief* adversary is an indicator of irrationality.

And while she may have no interest in returning just any magical girl from the dead, she surely would have an interest in returning her savior to the land of the living.


*normal grief, not cascade failing reality warping grief.
 
Yes for the first question, and no for the second.

I would like to hear your rational for why revealing the truth about Witches being former magical girls to an already insane with grief* adversary is an indicator of irrationality.

Because then she can witchbomb our friends. Infohazards have this tendency to spread, y'see.

*normal grief, not cascade failing reality warping grief.

They're the same thing.
 
Wait, also, just throwing this out their while we're still discussing things Anri might know: is it possible this is the actual Yuuki? We know timelines are a little wonky already, and we're already suspecting that Hijiri might be manipulating Yuuki, so what if this is the original, not the yandere clone? I'm not sure it's likely, but it's something to consider?
 
Wait, also, just throwing this out their while we're still discussing things Anri might know: is it possible this is the actual Yuuki? We know timelines are a little wonky already, and we're already suspecting that Hijiri might be manipulating Yuuki, so what if this is the original, not the yandere clone? I'm not sure it's likely, but it's something to consider?
There's a bit of a stretch there, since actual Yuuri was a sweet cinammon roll who witched out due to overusing magic in healing people from anime incurable diseases.

Also, the typo where Hijiri called her Airi was because Firn thinks of her as Airi Anri. :p
 
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