Jonen C
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Having returned to Mamis apartment, our gang sits down for tea and cakes, then suddenly Sakura.
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Having returned to Mamis apartment, our gang sits down for tea and cakes, then suddenly Sakura.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The response, I think, is something along the lines of "what happened that week was the reason I put such effort into developing this."
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
[X] Kaizuki
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"Such effort" into "developing" this.
You mean when we bored Kirika to sleep standing still for 15 minutes, right.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Not true. We had to have Oriko test it before we knew it was safe in the long term, which adds at least another minute.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"Well, excuse me, I was busy being born."
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
"What happened that week was what convinced me of the need for something like this."
That better?
Sendai didn't--and doesn't--have a Seed shortage; they in fact had a hoard that Akiko was strong-arming out of the University group and Rin/Sakura's services. It's the University group that was hurting for Seeds.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Still, a Clear Seed would probably have helped tone down Akiko's obsession. Reason we believed Akiko didn't put much stock on Sabrina's cleansing abilities was that she'd have to rely completely on Sabrina.
"I wanted to develop a better cleansing method than Seeds, but someone convinced me I had to hurry the hell up with the whole "Protect Meguca From Systematic Abuse" problem. Really, some people, am I right?""What happened that week was what convinced me of the need for something like this."
That better?
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
PMSA? Sabrina's quest in-quest.
The alternative theory is that she's looking for her lover's Seed (or has it, and doesn't want it to hatch). In either case, yes, having Clear Seeds last week would have been a major help in that regard; all the more reason we need to work harder moving forward on Dewitching.
We've spent a lot of time working on social links lately, and that's great, helpful even, but for people like Akiko and Homura who have been fully Witchbombed and at least have an intuitive grasp of the scope of the larger picture we need to have a better pitch than "Trust us; our youthful optimism is sure to save the day!" Every single Grief Seed out there is another little girl whose soul is being tortured into insanity before being used by alien beings as batteries; they deserve better, and we can give it to them, so long as we have the moral fortitude and the audacity to dare to dream big.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
PMSA: Puella Magi Sabrina Airlines!
The quest in which Sabrina gets sidetracked from saving meguca and opens a transportation business instead!
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I feel compelled to again remind people that if dewitching ever becomes possible, then our having distributed so many Clear Seeds will become problematic. People will be extremely reluctant to part with them so that we can dewitch them. If we intend to pursue dewitching, then we absolutely have to develop an alternate method of cleansing ASAP, otherwise we won't be able to afford to dewitch them, because we'd be destroying Seeds that girls need to stay alive.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
In the meantime, though, we need a reliable, scalable method of cleansing, which Clear Seeds are.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Perfect is the enemy of good. We won't ever get to dewitching research if we have to spend every moment of every day dealing with political shitstorms that we could've solved with Clear Seeds. Additionally, Clear Seeds are long-term stable, so this is turning a problem with an immediate deadline into one where we have years, decades, or centuries of runway - won't need to dewitch a clear-seeded girl immediately, after all, normal seeds are loaded up with grief and actively suffering and are therefore far higher priority. And, honestly, if we can come up with a dewitching solution but not a non-seed cleansing option, we're fucked anyway in way worse ways than this. This argument is not worth spending time worrying about, nor is it even remotely a reason to think twice about clear seeds. It's like complaining that the immortality serum is delivered with a particularly large needle - who cares.
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To be fair, it's more like complaining that the immortality serum is delivered by enslaving the souls of dead children, while we're working on a formula for resurrecting those children: it's a passably-acceptable stopgap measure, but once we have resurrection working then it becomes a logistical problem. The thing is, that's a logistical problem I'm happy to have, because it means we're doing such a good job saving lives and souls that we actually have a backlog; right now we're still in a situation where hundreds, maybe thousands, of girls are being tortured into insanity and given to the Incubators to be tortured even more on a daily basis, and that cannot stand.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Pretty sure I said exactly that. If we don't create other ways of cleansing, then dewitching will never be a thing, because Seeds will be irreplaceable.
Clear Seeds are a stopgap measure, but they can't be used as an excuse to not try to develop and mass-produce cleansing enchantments. Those enchantments could solve those political shitstorms you mentioned just as well, and without setting us up for new political shitstorms down the line when we have to ask for them back.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Look, create and distribute Clear Seeds. I don't mind reducing the amount of girls who suffer in the interim, and when we invent Moar Better Cleansingu: Now 100% Suffering-Free!, we can just be like "Yo, it's like a Clear Seed except there's no little girl in it and it probably fucking lasts longer."
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Puella Magi go through a grief seed every two weeks, minimum. Sendai, a city with a population of a million, supported around ten magical girls. Let's assume that this ratio has remained steady. It's estimated that 107 billion people have ever lived (measuring from ~50 000 years ago), for an overall historical value of ~1 070 000 gucas ever. Subtracting our current estimated population of ~70 000 gucas, and assuming half of all soul gems shatter before filling, and my back of the napkin guess is that the QB currently have ~500k "first generation" witch seeds in their possession.
This, of course, ignores the moral issues around duplicate witches completely. If those "second generation" witch seeds also count as meguca to be rescued, the math becomes much bleaker. Lets assume half of all puella never harvest a single witch before either dying or witching out. If the average guca lasts six months, assuming they survive the first hunt, then they used a minimum of 12 seeds each. As such, using very pessimistic numbers, QB has at least an additional 6 million "second generation" seeds in his possession.
Only if we can make an enchantment fueled by grief. Otherwise, they'll last as long as it takes for our magic to unravel outside of our presence, which is probably significantly less time than it takes for a Clear Seed to be filled to capacity even by the most voracious users. (Back of the napkin math says it would take the sum total subsistence cleansing usage of every magical girl on earth two months to fill a single clear seed).
This, of course, ignores the moral issues around duplicate witches completely. If those "second generation" witch seeds also count as meguca to be rescued, the math becomes much bleaker. Lets assume half of all puella never harvest a single witch before either dying or witching out. If the average guca lasts six months, assuming they survive the first hunt, then they used a minimum of 12 seeds each. As such, using very pessimistic numbers, QB has at least an additional 6 million "second generation" seeds in his possession.
Only if we can make an enchantment fueled by grief. Otherwise, they'll last as long as it takes for our magic to unravel outside of our presence, which is probably significantly less time than it takes for a Clear Seed to be filled to capacity even by the most voracious users. (Back of the napkin math says it would take the sum total subsistence cleansing usage of every magical girl on earth two months to fill a single clear seed).
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
If we can't make sustainable grief-enchantments, we likely can't make artificial Grief Seeds at all, honestly.
Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
short of growing Familars into Witches.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
I assume you mean through feeding them adults. I still want to do some science to see what precisely needs to be done for a Familiar to reach maturity. I suspect it has more to do with Grief than the actual killing.
If not, then we theorize and hypothesize and do more science. If we could farm Grief Seeds without death, then we could easily surpass Kyuubey's quota. It'd help if we could ask him some scientific questions, but even if we do it'll have to wait until later. Right now, distribution of Clear Seeds is a incredible upgrade in quality of life for the Meguca that have them, even factoring in the likely attempted robbery and muggings.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Maybe if Soul Girl can Frankenstein animal souls into a functional replacement for human souls?
Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
N o,no,no,no, I don't want to feed them people, I was suggesting yes, feeding them the grief!