Madou Sutegobana
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- Twin Realms Mandala
[X] Vebyast
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-[X] The Eyes
because The Eyes didn't include Vebyast's vote.
then
-[X] The Eyes
because The Eyes didn't include Vebyast's vote.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
I just had a thought. Witches use Grief made by normal people right? i think i remember something about them doing it by locking it into their souls like how a Soul Gem works. .Could we steal this from people? Would we be able to use this pasive amount of Grief to bribe QB into doing things for us?
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
I vaguely remember once discussing this, and I think the conclusion was that it isn't a lot. Compared to witchouts, its pathetic.
Um, I actually included all of Vebyast's vote in mine; I just added the little bit at the beginning reminding Homura not to Thousand Yard Stare her friends.
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
Well i guess we would need to do it in mass amounts. The only reason i was mentioning it was because normally all Grief that is 'in the system',so to speak, would go to the incubators eventually (Or to put it another way; the house always wins.). So we would need to gain Grief that isn't a part of the system. Loose Grief. Grief that no one is using, because it would normally cost more energy to gather it then the amount of energy that would be gained from it, and as such would normally go to waste. We can get that at a cost effective rate while the incubators are unable to do so. We should totally sell that ability to them in return for their doing things for us.
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
The Incubator definitely could do that.
Or he could witchout Madoka. The amount was never the problem. The problem is that he cares about the quota above all else. It is perfectly fine dooming the planet if he could get his quota right there. Nothing stopping them from still being dicks, and keep witchouting meguca anyways.
And if we were going to try and vape off the grief from the world population, we would run ourselves ragged trying to pull a Santa Claus. We have better things to do then Santa Clausing people's grief.
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
I see no reason why he couldn't do both. I'm not talking about stoping them from doing their thing; I'm talking about getting them to do things for us. All we would need to do is make it cost effective.
Also: I am fairly sure that the name "Incubator" is for either his title, occupation, or species rather then his personal name.
Would it really be that much of a problem? We do have a teleporter, and a time stoper, and i bet that kyubey would be perfectly willing to plan out a route if it could be a cost effective method. Hell, we could probably set a Grief construct or something to auto-pilot.
IMHO, she does look better with her hair down.
As for bringing Madoka along, don't think it would be dangerous for her, but it does feel pretty irresponsible. This isn't exactly a friendly outing. Especially bringing her along with the cleansing trip. Madoka herself seemed slightly confused about Mami asking her if she wanted to come along. Homura scaring her/being harsh really isn't helping though.
I also kind of think you guys are would be needlessly stressing her out by asking her for advice on this particular issue. It kind of puts pressure on her. Stuff is complicated and a "brief summary' wouldn't be anywhere close to enough considering she barely knows anything about magical girl life. We barely know anything about what the heck is going on over there.
I'm not even sure where you guys are even getting that she's an expert diplomancer. She's incredibly nice and empathetic. Not quite the same thing, unfortunately.
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- Voidbetweenstars
Because cost effective wise, Madoka witching out is worth all the possible energy they could get before the human race ends via natural causes.
Personally on the what to do with Madoka, we should tell her we don't need her to come with us, and that she would be better off doing her homework (in fact we could say Homura could help her with her homework so that later on Madoka and sayaka can work on Sayaka's homework).
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
I somewhat doubt that. The only way i can see this being the case is if they managed to transplant humans onto other planets and they could just replace the population of earth. And even then it would be more the case that it would be worth more then the people on the planet at the time.
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- Voidbetweenstars
Madoka had enough power to rip apart the entirety of all the universe impose an everlasting new law and create a heaven were all Magical girls could spend all of time, happy. And still have enough power to be a high end god able to dance around a civilization whose only problem was the eventual end of the universe.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
I don't recall this ever having been implied. If memory serves, our Grief senses can't detect any in normal people, and only a tiny amount in potentials.
Have you actually watched PMMM?
Kyubey flat out told Homura that witching out Madoka (in loop 4! we're around loop 100!) provided enough energy to meet their "quota" and they gave zero fucks that it exterminated humanity in the process.
That much was obvious. It's implied that they're a hive mind, in which case they'd have no use for personal names.
Dantalion
Insight: 368
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- A Guest Room at the Brass Embassy, dying of Frenzy
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True. That being said, however, we have no knowledge of the operations of the Incubators beyond the absolute lowest level. QB is basically a mere door-to-door salesman. If we want to actually fix things, we need to deal with something higher up, which is going to take information.
Information that requires working with QB to get.
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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
...How the hell does that work?
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Okay, I have to agree with the people saying that Madoka is no diplomat and she really has no business in our magical girl negotiations and coming with us on the cleaning trip. The meeting with Bennouna I can maybe understand, since it probbaly won't turn into a hostile standoff, but its still more of a business meeting than a social function.
Asking her about the Tokyo situation also is kinda useless, as we ourselves don't know enough about the situation to give anyone enough information to come to any sort of conclusion. All we know is that they have a council and they don't believe in our grief powers or trustworthiness enough, to make some sort of deal with us.
Madoka is the nicest person around, but a master negotiator known for her balanced reasoning and good decision making she is not. Madoka also seemed pretty unsure about coming with us in the first place, so maybe we should just send her and Homura on a date or something. Mami's question seemed less about if they want to come along and more of what they intend to do for the rest of the day to me.
Asking her about the Tokyo situation also is kinda useless, as we ourselves don't know enough about the situation to give anyone enough information to come to any sort of conclusion. All we know is that they have a council and they don't believe in our grief powers or trustworthiness enough, to make some sort of deal with us.
Madoka is the nicest person around, but a master negotiator known for her balanced reasoning and good decision making she is not. Madoka also seemed pretty unsure about coming with us in the first place, so maybe we should just send her and Homura on a date or something. Mami's question seemed less about if they want to come along and more of what they intend to do for the rest of the day to me.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I really disagree with this notion of "Madoka is our diplomat!"
Friend and ersatz-therapist, sure. Diplomacy at this level is not the same as modern international diplomacy. It's more akin to diplomacy between gangs, or hunter-gatherer tribes in an unproductive land. Madoka would be a poor fit for either standard.
Friend and ersatz-therapist, sure. Diplomacy at this level is not the same as modern international diplomacy. It's more akin to diplomacy between gangs, or hunter-gatherer tribes in an unproductive land. Madoka would be a poor fit for either standard.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Because Madoka is so stupidly powerful that she pretty much breaks math or something.
Also, my personal headcanon is that after Gretchen consumes the planet in her barrier, she'll keep radiating energy like a star of black magic that never burns out, making her an infinite resource that would last forever. It fits her themes.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Well, isn't that all witches - working on the themes of grief creating further grief? I don't think there's much special about Loop 1 Madoka, metaphysically, that would makes her energy creation in particular infinite.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Sure but Loop 1 Madoka wasn't described as destroying the planet in 10 days and fulfilling the entirety of Kyubey's quota for Earth.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Yeah, but that's just MOAR POWAH. Does it change the basic nature of a witch?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
Kyubey's rather vague explanation was that a girl's potential is proportional to her importance, essentially. Since Homura has been resetting time for Madoka's sake, whether or not the future exists past May 1st entirely depends on Madoka's fate. Thus, she is literally the most important person in the universe.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Either Kyubey's got more planets to farm from, and Madoka meets Earth's longterm quota...or Grief Seeds work as generators, rather than batteries. I suspect the latter.
Which means that Krimeheld's Grief output is enough to balance the natural energy lost to Entropy indefinitely (at least in combination with those Grief Seeds already collected).
Dantalion
Insight: 368
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- A Guest Room at the Brass Embassy, dying of Frenzy
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The fact that QB has a quota in the first place implies the Incubators did not expect to be able to farm Terra forever.
Madoka's artificially increased potential is presumably enough to exceed the amount the Incubators expected to be able to gather over the remaining time they expected to be farming Terra.
Which does also imply that they've got other planets lined up for sowing, possibly aided by insights gleaned from Terra.
While it is possible that Seeds work as generators, that wouldn't lead to QB's behavior here - Krimeheld's output, however massive, is finite, and thus would be unlikely to match the many potential Seeds that could be acquired by not witching Madoka.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
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