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Redshirt Army said:
[x] We could meet up with Bennouna as a group, but would Bennouna herself be okay with that? Ask Mami - she knows her best. If she thinks it's fine, then Madoka can come along, if she wants.
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I think that Mami was probably talking about the whole thing when she proposed inviting Madoka? I think that we're also already intending to meet with Bennouna as a group in the first place, and on the list of things that'd make Bennouna uncomfortable about a group, a civilian is at the bottom of that list.

It's been brought to my attention that the "yeah, you can come for Bennouna" and the "hang out with Homura plz" are a bit contradictory. I also realized that we need to give Homura a reason to not come with us so she can watch Madoka, so...

[x] Having Madoka along to meet with Bennouna sounds great, if she wants to come.
[X] For the cleansing trip... Homura can be a little paranoid, but she's right. Taking along noncombatants should be safe once peace has settled in and these trips are routine, maybe in a few weeks.
[x] Actually, speaking of just-in-case and keeping things safe, ask Homura if she minds holding the fort while the rest of the team is away. You really don't expect an attack, but...

[x] When the opportunity arises, take Madoka aside and thank her for last night. Not only was the sleepover nice on its own, the sheer normalcy of it is important. Inviting Sayaka was a particularly good idea; Madoka's a good friend.
-[x] Ask Madoka to spend some time with Homura just doing normal teenage girl things. The details are private, but Homura's probably the worst off of... anybody, really... as far as having a normal life goes. She also seems to be opening up to Madoka a bit, though, so you think just hanging out with her could do a lot of good.

(smaller notes: I specifically want to call us a team, cleared up some wording)
 
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I'm a little bit iffy on the "Homura can be paranoid" bit. I don't just want to flatly say that she's right, since that's a little bit harsh, but I also don't want to downplay her caution, since it's entirely substantiated. Suggestions?
 
@Vebyast Maybe something like, "although we wish otherwise, tensions are still high outside of Mitakihara and the chances that a fight will break out is higher than we would like. We would not want to put your life in danger because of our own actions."

Does that sound alright? This is my first time actually helping with a vote.
 
Vebyast said:
I'm a little bit iffy on the "Homura can be paranoid" bit. I don't just want to flatly say that she's right, since that's a little bit harsh, but I also don't want to downplay her caution, since it's entirely substantiated. Suggestions?
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Why? The situation does have the potential to degenerate, and saying it's dangerous straight-up is usually the best way of getting the point across. Harsh as it may be, Homura is correct here.

Then again, I am a fan of saying things as they are and not sugar-coating anything. So I may not always be the best for social-ing and diplomacy.
 
TotalTemplar03 said:
Why? The situation does have the potential to degenerate, and saying it's dangerous straight-up is usually the best way of getting the point across. Harsh as it may be, Homura is correct here.

Then again, I am a fan of saying things as they are and not sugar-coating anything. So I may not always be the best for social-ing and diplomacy.
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Well, at the very least we want to chide Homura for using Astonish; we don't want our Madoka to Flinch, after all. :V
 
We should only let her come if we can get our hands on sufficient daka. And a good way to get her into a timestop in less then a second. Speaking of daka we should really look into making enchanted guns at some point. A full auto bazooka/elephant gun of holding should be a good start.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
We should only let her come if we can get our hands on sufficient daka. And a good way to get her into a timestop in less then a second. Speaking of daka we should really look into making enchanted guns at some point. A full auto bazooka/elephant gun of holding should be a good start.
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Um, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Normal Hooman + Meguca Combat = Bad Idea.
Also, not entirely sure we need enchanted guns at the moment. We are absolutely lethal in mid-range, and Mami + Homura already make for powerful long range. Sayaka is still a nooblet, so its to be seen what her full potential here is.
 
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Marcus.D.Basterd said:
We should only let her come if we can get our hands on sufficient daka. And a good way to get her into a timestop in less then a second. Speaking of daka we should really look into making enchanted guns at some point. A full auto bazooka/elephant gun of holding should be a good start.
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Giving an enchanted gun to Homura is probably a reasonable idea, but I think that it's mostly redundant. If she's run into something she can't handle, she's almost always better off time-stopping and coming to get us or Mami to handle the conceptual bullshit.

Sabrina has more than enough bullshit already. I'm sure that Mami's considered buying and enchanting a gun for herself, but that her ribbons are hax enough that it works out better to use ribbon muskets.


Been brought to my attention that we should be bringing Madoka in and asking for her advice on this one. She's the diplomancer.

[x] Having Madoka along to meet with Bennouna sounds great, if she wants to come.
[X] For the cleansing trip... taking along noncombatants should be safe once peace has settled in and these trips are routine, maybe in a few weeks, but the situation is too unstable right now.
[x] While you're thinking about of just-in-case and keeping things safe, ask Homura if she minds holding the fort while the rest of the team is away.

[x] That all said, give Madoka a brief summary of the Tokyo situation and ask how she thinks we should handle it. She's better at diplomacy than you are.
-[x] If you find a chance, pull Homura aside to quietly explain that we're trying to keep her safe - we agree that her coming would be too risky - while making sure she doesn't feel useless or left out.

[x] When the opportunity arises, take Madoka aside and thank her for last night. Not only was the sleepover nice on its own, the sheer normalcy of it is important. Inviting Sayaka was a particularly good idea; Madoka's a good friend.
-[x] Ask Madoka to spend some time with Homura just doing normal teenage girl things. The details are private, but Homura's probably the worst off of... anybody, really... as far as having a normal life goes. She also seems to be opening up to Madoka a bit, though, so you think just hanging out with her could do a lot of good.
 
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Marcus.D.Basterd said:
We should only let her come if we can get our hands on sufficient daka. And a good way to get her into a timestop in less then a second. Speaking of daka we should really look into making enchanted guns at some point. A full auto bazooka/elephant gun of holding should be a good start.
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I know, we can give Madoka her own personal MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN. That should be enough daka, right. :V
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
We should only let her come if we can get our hands on sufficient daka. And a good way to get her into a timestop in less then a second. Speaking of daka we should really look into making enchanted guns at some point. A full auto bazooka/elephant gun of holding should be a good start.
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Rapid fire bazooka = fuck-tons of collateral damage, and I'm not sure if Madoka could even hold an elephant gun, let alone use one. And that's ignoring how even if she was trained, Madoka as a regular human would have big issues even tracking a Magical Girl during combat. So how about no to the weapon ideas.

The timestop thing works, but is kinda redundant. Mami has shown the ability to have indeterminately long ribbons that are both invisible and can at least move around obstacles, if not go completely intangible. Just tie Madoka to Mami to Homura, and we're good.
 
Elinor Ostrom's 8 rules of effective common pool resource management:

These may be relevant at some point.

  1. Clearly defined (clear definition of the contents of the common pool resource and effective exclusion of external un-entitled parties);
  2. The appropriation and provision of common resources that are adapted to local conditions;
  3. Collective-choice arrangements that allow most resource appropriators to participate in the decision-making process;
  4. Effective monitoring by monitors who are part of or accountable to the appropriators;
  5. A scale of graduated sanctions for resource appropriators who violate community rules;
  6. Mechanisms of conflict resolution that are cheap and of easy access;
  7. Self-determination of the community recognized by higher-level authorities; and
  8. In the case of larger common-pool resources, organization in the form of multiple layers of nested enterprises, with small local CPRs at the base level.
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Vebyast said:
[x] That all said, give Madoka a brief summary of the Tokyo situation and ask how she thinks we should handle it. She's better at diplomacy than you are.
-[x] If you find a chance, pull Homura aside to quietly explain that we're trying to keep her safe - we agree that her coming would be too risky - while making sure she doesn't feel useless or left out.
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She's not a Master Diplomat, and thinking she can provide effective guidance on such a complicated situation with just a rather brief summary is silly imo.
 
Thinking about Madoka and combat, even phrasing it as "noncombatants" is a bit iffy. I think that the suggestion to go to a neutral "it's too unstable" argument, and letting her make the inference that "unstable" means "unsafe", might work? Ehhh.


Vebyast said:
-[x] Ask Madoka to spend some time with Homura just doing normal teenage girl things. The details are private, but Homura's probably the worst off of... anybody, really... as far as having a normal life goes. She also seems to be opening up to Madoka a bit, though, so you think just hanging out with her could do a lot of good.
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Also, we can tweak this last line both for better shipping and so we aren't nudging into Homura's personal details. We're spreading around "she's really traumatized" a bit too much.


[x] Having Madoka and Homura along to meet with Bennouna sounds great, if they want to come.
[x] For the cleansing trip... maybe once peace has settled in and these trips are routine, but right now we're not quite sure what these girls are like or how it'll go.
[x] While you're thinking about of just-in-case and keeping things safe, ask Homura if she minds holding the fort while the rest of the team is on the cleansing trip.

[x] Give Madoka a brief summary of the Tokyo situation and ask how she thinks we should handle it.
-[x] If you find a chance, pull Homura aside to quietly explain that we're trying to keep her safe - we agree that her coming would be too risky - while making sure she doesn't feel useless or left out.

[x] When the opportunity arises, pull Madoka aside and thank her for last night. Not only was the sleepover nice on its own, the sheer normalcy of it is important. Inviting Sayaka was a particularly good idea; Madoka's a Good Friend.
-[x] Speaking of which, ask Madoka to try to spend some more time with Homura. You're sure she'll appreciate it, and it'd be good for her.


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She's not a Master Diplomat, and thinking she can provide effective guidance on such a complicated situation with just a rather brief summary is silly imo.
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I doubt she's going to notice that we're doing it half so she doesn't feel left out. Plus, didn't we just say that keeping our friends in the loop is the right idea? Right now she has just a brief overview, but that'll change as we keep asking her for advice. It's not like this is going to be the only time we'll be doing this. Finally, while just straight out doing what she suggests would be dumb, having a new perspective can rarely hurt if we take into account that it's limited. She still might see something we don't.

I don't see a downside and I see several possible, albeit maybe small, upsides, in which case this becomes a question of tradeoff between conservation of narrative detail and expected utility, and I think that this comes out way ahead of most other options given that it'll help her feel (and be!) useful and thereby avoid motivation for madowish.



edit on "cleansing trip too dangerous": Maybe we could say that we'd have been iffy taking Sayaka along if we hadn't gotten some practice in with her yesterday, make it clear that it's not just "non-meguca", it's "we actually need to be prepared to fight someone for srs"? Sayaka could do with that reminder too, now that I think about it.
 
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Appletank said:
Um, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Normal Hooman + Meguca Combat = Bad Idea.
Also, not entirely sure we need enchanted guns at the moment. We are absolutely lethal in mid-range, and Mami + Homura already make for powerful long range. Sayaka is still a nooblet, so its to be seen what her full potential here is.
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No. I mean that if Madoka is going to come with us she would need at least enough firepower to level a mountan in less then three seconds before we even thought about it.
Vebyast said:
Giving an enchanted gun to Homura is probably a reasonable idea, but I think that it's mostly redundant. If she's run into something she can't handle, she's almost always better off time-stopping and coming to get us or Mami to handle the conceptual bullshit.

Sabrina has more than enough bullshit already. I'm sure that Mami's considered buying and enchanting a gun for herself, but that her ribbons are hax enough that it works out better to use ribbon muskets.
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It might be worth using a enchanted gun if we could get it enchanted by everyone. For that matter it would probably be sane to get everyone some good holdout weapons.

For that matter we should look into making things using Grief. The precision alone should make it easy to sculpt gun parts out of interesting alloys.
Vulture9 said:
I know, we can give Madoka her own personal MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN. That should be enough daka, right. :V
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Maybe if we kept it behind a few thousand versions of itself stacked ontop of eachother ala a bag of holding home. So that if one got destroyed the next one would pop in to fill the spot.
TotalTemplar03 said:
Rapid fire bazooka = fuck-tons of collateral damage, and I'm not sure if Madoka could even hold an elephant gun, let alone use one. And that's ignoring how even if she was trained, Madoka as a regular human would have big issues even tracking a Magical Girl during combat. So how about no to the weapon ideas.

The timestop thing works, but is kinda redundant. Mami has shown the ability to have indeterminately long ribbons that are both invisible and can at least move around obstacles, if not go completely intangible. Just tie Madoka to Mami to Homura, and we're good.
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We could get her some powerarmor? Enchant the weapon/weapon casing to have less recoil? Enchant either the weapon or the casing to be lighter? Make some armor that is enchanted to have a faster rate of time running on the inside? What i am saying is that we shouldn't let her go out without being a person of mass destruction.
 
Just something to note: If we're bringing Madoka with us to meet with Bennouna, she's going to find out about Walpurgisnacht.

It's hardly a deal-breaker - we couldn't keep her out of the loop for much longer anyway - but it's something to consider.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
We could get her some powerarmor? Enchant the weapon/weapon casing to have less recoil? Enchant either the weapon or the casing to be lighter? Make some armor that is enchanted to have a faster rate of time running on the inside? What i am saying is that we shouldn't let her go out without being a person of mass destruction.
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I'm not really sure that's necessary. As long as she doesn't have to enter dangerous situations, she's good. And unlike some characters, she doesn't actually need to enter danger. Right now, she's a normal, if unusually nice, girl with few stand-out attributes. She isn't some master negotiator, or a physical god, or anything like that. At this point, the most useful thing she can do is be supportive to everyone, and Homura in particular.

While the thought of Madoka in pseudo-magical power armor a la WH40K is hilarious, this is not really the place for it. It would just be shoving Madoka into dangerous situations she isn't comfortable in, for no real reason, and it would waste time and effort better used for other things.
Hell, even if we did magic up a set of recoil-dampening, reflex-enhancing power armor, it would be better to shove another Magical Girl into it. Like Sayaka. I bet she'd appreciate it. Magical Girl Ultrasmurf Sayaka-chan, go!
 
Redshirt Army said:
Just something to note: If we're bringing Madoka with us to meet with Bennouna, she's going to find out about Walpurgisnacht.

It's hardly a deal-breaker - we couldn't keep her out of the loop for much longer anyway - but it's something to consider.
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I actually think that this might be an ideal way for her to find out about Walpurgisnacht. We're already going to be telling Bennouna the whole thing and getting her in on our plan. That explanation will work just as well for Madoka as it will for Bennouna. Plus, if our intent with Madoka is to keep her informed but also convince her that we have things under control, this is a "show not tell" way to impress upon her that we're ahead of the game and keeping on top of things.
TotalTemplar03 said:
Hell, even if we did magic up a set of recoil-dampening, reflex-enhancing power armor, it would be better to shove another Magical Girl into it. Like Sayaka. I bet she'd appreciate it. Magical Girl Ultrasmurf Sayaka-chan, go!
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...Fucking sold. Do it doitdoitdoit.
 
TotalTemplar03 said:
I'm not really sure that's necessary. As long as she doesn't have to enter dangerous situations, she's good. And unlike some characters, she doesn't actually need to enter danger. Right now, she's a normal, if unusually nice, girl with few stand-out attributes. She isn't some master negotiator, or a physical god, or anything like that. At this point, the most useful thing she can do is be supportive to everyone, and Homura in particular.

While the thought of Madoka in pseudo-magical power armor a la WH40K is hilarious, this is not really the place for it. It would just be shoving Madoka into dangerous situations she isn't comfortable in, for no real reason, and it would waste time and effort better used for other things.
Hell, even if we did magic up a set of recoil-dampening, reflex-enhancing power armor, it would be better to shove another Magical Girl into it. Like Sayaka. I bet she'd appreciate it. Magical Girl Ultrasmurf Sayaka-chan, go!
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Well i know that. But having the option to make it happen could be good for her mental health. Having a source of power other then making a Contract could take a load off of her mind.

So again, not something to use to drag her into things but something we should get her so that things find it harder to cause her problems. At the very least we should get her some protective clothing, bullet resistant vest, medical training, some semi-magical medical equipment, some gadgets like magitech binocular contact lenses, and a few different guns or something. Homura should jump on the chance to get her to wear more protection.
 
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