theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
And panic i think, i don't think her hand could handle our awesomeness
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
But imagine Mami's reaction, tho.And panic i think, i don't think her hand could handle our awesomeness
theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
Eh... she probably snapped and immidiately establish order.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I imagine Hitomi with two broken arms.
theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
And as if Sabrina head hasn't panicked enough already.I imagine Hitomi with two broken arms.
- Location
- South Africa
Yes. OOC enjoyment is foremost for assessments of quality of pieces of fiction. It is not for assessments of quality of competence. There are multiple things to judge things on. Sabrina is good as an interesting, fictional character, but that's not the only thing she can be judged on. She can also be judged on her competence which is orthological to her state as an interesting character. Sayaka's competence was criticised, so I compared her competence favourably to our own, because however interesting a character you think Sayaka is (or would be in this situation), her competence is what's being discussed.
What's more, and more importantly, one of the things that can make a character enjoyable (to me at least, esecially for most quest protagonists), is my ability to route for them. And while I can route for Sabrina (which is part of why I like her), I'd find it a lot easier to route for a character who acts the way I describe this hypothetical Sayaka, and when we go out of our way to nerf our ability to help others, it hurts my ability to route for Sabrina, as it makes her come across as selfish (thankfully, this is yet to be a big problem. That said, I really don't want it to be a problem in the future, so I'm going to continue voting against it).
All of this! Firn explicitly stated that he has made us OP because we need it, so refusing to act OP will hurt us, and badly.
Also, it comes to my attention that making this:
might actually be more useful than I originally planned. If we want to show them what happened, without them being traumatised by violence and gore, well ...
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Pretty sure us blocking would have done that...enough force to arrest a hit from a Magus likely could have broken her remaining arm. We'd be able to heal that one without drawing attention from mortals, though.I imagine Hitomi with two broken arms.
theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
Unfortunately, i'm pretty sure Sayaka still there. I mean we or Mami could stop her, but at that point our image in her eyes may be ruined by then.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Projecting footage should be fine...watching on a screen or projector provides enough separation from immediate reality to make even the most horrific video simply stomach-churning, rather than seriously traumatizing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[Q] Reality check.
-[Q] Hug Sayaka to make sure she's still there.
theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
Only you Sabrina, that tried to hug even in heated enviroment.
Never change Sabrina.
I'm not entirely certain we'll be allowed to be effective in this manner.
I mean, look back at some of the SCIENCE time we've had. Literal hours pass every time we try the smallest experiments, even the ones that don't require trancing. Whenever I reread some of those sections I find myself surprised and dismayed at how quickly time passes with almost no results, to the point that I'm convinced that @Firnagzen really doesn't want us unlocking higher-level powers very quickly at all, and we'll just find time slipping away if we try.
If I'm remembering right (and I intend to check, but would be grateful for others to do so as well), the only time we did manage to get science-y things done relatively quickly on the research side was when we came up with the enchanting meta-enhancement bracelet, which we came up with in the middle of a social situation, specifically when we were conversing with Oriko about her power problems and trying to come up with a pain-relief enchantment. I wonder if that's intentional, if we actually get rewarded for trying out Science-y things while in social situations, instead of waiting for times when we're completely alone.
It's a good idea, and I think we might want to try it, but we also need to comb back through and make sure we don't accidentally witch-bomb the three girls while doing it. We definitely can't show them the Oriko interrogation, for example, since we tended to go on and on about Oriko and Kirika Witching Out.
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- South Africa
Firn has implied that the reason it takes long is that he knows from experience that science takes a long time (and so do I!) However, a lot of it is just checking if we can actually do things right now. Because that's a simple yes/no answer. If we get a headache instantly, that's a "no" and we can move on, wasting literally zero time. If we trance, it's a yes, and the longest trances we've had are only half and hour long, which is very short to get such an important result. Plus, I've been wanting to see if we can work on meta-constructs, to improve our efficiency.
Can we make a construct to make us construct faster? Can we make a construct to remove our trancing? Can we make a construct to construct multiple things at once? Can we make a construct to tell us if our attempt to make a construct will work in advance? Can we make a construct that will end our experiments if danger happens?
If we can't do that, can we make enchantments that do any of those things? Can we make a construct to help us make such enchantments?
etc.
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- Illinois
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Definitely not correct, I'm afraid. The laser experiment took almost no time at all, other than setting up our safety precautions. In fact, it worked so quickly that it basically left us with nothing to do for the rest of the morning.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
*Everyone about to blow up*Only you Sabrina, that tried to hug even in heated enviroment.
Never change Sabrina.
"AH!" Sabrina jumps, startling everyone.
"Sabrina what-" starts Mami.
But unheeding, Sabrina pounces on Sayaka!
Sayaka's eyes widen and she tries to block-
But Sabrina's arms wrap themselves around her before she can fully react, and Sayaka's vision goes dark as she's engulfed into the tightest embrace she's felt in her life, her ribs creaking under the pressure, only her magical strength keeping her from being crushed.
"SAYAKA YOU'RE HERE!" yells Sabrina like a lunatic.
Which, judging from Mami's and Hitomi's looks, they must have seriously been considering that possibility.
The trapped bleunette finally finds purchase against Sabrina's frame and, with a heavy grunt of effort, she manages to push the taller girl away.
"What the hell, Sabrina!" demands Sayaka breathing heavily, her face reddened slightly.
Immediately the foreigner flinches, eyes crinkling with a hint of shame. "I'm sorry," she mumbles, "I just... suddenly thought you might be gone..."
"But I didn't move," Sayaka says through gritted teeth.
To which Sabrina scratches her head nervously. "It's just... the brain damage, you know..."
"Oh, Sabrina," says a tearful Mami as she grabs the other girl into a big hug.
Sayaka and Hitomi watch befuddled as their host comforts the tall girl, who's head's buried into the blonde's shoulder.
"Wait so the brain damage was for real?" asks Sayaka.
Hitomi shrugs at her friend.
Neither girl can help but to feel a bit like a heel.
A bit.
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
If we can get Homura in on our experiments, we can (even if we want to limit TS usage to shortish bursts) reduce our time wasted by having her TS us while we're Tranced...if we can't approximate it ourselves.
- Location
- Austria
He does want. We are just not doing enough.
Look. If he says both that it won't be easy and that anything short of Path to Victory is a fair game - he does want us to git gud.
As @Sereg ninja'd, it is not easy to set up and do proper experiments. We only were alive for what, two weeks? This is nothing. Mami had years of experience with vastly more limited powers and she still is discovering new tricks, such as Ribbon Chibi-Mami.
First off, that was the first time we had someone around, namely Mami, to collaborate with, so it doesn't actually invalidate my point that we seem to get rewarded more for Social SCIENCE than Pure SCIENCE.
Also: "nothing to do for the rest of the morning". And, yet, here @Sereg, @Higure, and @ctulhuslp are, talking about this enormous backlog of OP things that they claim we can do, things that I don't recall anyone seriously voting to try. I thought the whole reason we stopped was that we only had a short time left before Sayaka and Homura showed up, so we let Mami have the rest?
- Location
- Home
Sayaka never struck me as particularly imaginative or intelligent. I'd expect her to just wander around killing witches and megucas.
Rebellion Sayaka is a very very different animal. She seems much more mature and stable than mainline or PMAS Sayaka.
- Location
- Austria
Welcome to the goddamn backlog.
Just for a tiny example, proven to work things:
Notice how OP the very idea of the last line (conceptual effects for Madokami's sake) is.
The whole list of things we should try amounts more than hundred (more than two hundreds actually?) of items. But even tiny sliver of it we have already explored proves imitating fundamental forces and conceptual effects. Among other things.
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- Home
This I can get behind.
I do feel we are using up way too many votes on silly social stuff (random child we met in hospital is all well and good, but SCIENCE is better).
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
All I meant was that it basically invalidated the rest of our planned experiments, since they'd all been predicated on the assumption that the laser would fail and intended to try and find a way around it if it did. There are lots of other things that we could have tried (in fact, I'm a bit annoyed that we didn't experiment with Grief-saboted projectiles at all), but we basically had to reexamine all our plans for the morning. Then while we were doing that, we got distracted by chibis.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Sonic shower took half an hour to make.
- Location
- South Africa
Pretty much every time we've tried something new that worked, it worked the very first time, so no, it was not just because of Mami. That was actually very normal. Grief books for example, was discovered mid-flight, on the first attempt.
Also, as stated, everything we planed was basically meant to be based on the idea that the laser failed. It didn't, so those tests were invalidated. As mentioned, we have hundreds of other ideas, but normally, when we suggest them, people decide that they don't even want to try. They say that they definitely won't work, so, even though them not working would have zero cost and waste zero time and still provide benefits anyway they don't even want to try. Plus, yes, we got distracted by Chibis, but that's understandable, because we wanted to help Mami science (also good), and us making Sabrina-chibis is actually a massive improvement to our capabilities. One of the biggest yet IMO.
Again, Sayaka emulates Mami, who does science a lot, and this Sayaka would know it. Also, this version of Sayaka would have way more in common with Rebelion!Sayaka, as both have vastly more knowledge and insight than any other version of Sayaka, both are effectively immune to grief and both are much more powerful than other versions of Sayaka (this version much more than Rebellion!Sayaka).
Also, alternate timeline Sayakas have scienced their powers and improved their healing and learned to shoot the blades of their swords and make them explode. This despite the fact that she dies quickly and doesn't have the efficiency advantage Mami has, making it much harder for her to science, which this Sayaka wouldn't at all.
EDIT:^
A: That's the record of longest length
B: That was still a single attempt.
C: Do you have any idea how much most scientists would drool over the idea of their experiments working in less than an hour?
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