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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Redshirt Army's vote comes across as really self-absorbed, to me. The focus should be on answering Sayaka's question and addressing the emotions behind it. Focus on Sayaka, rather than Sabrina. Keep it concise, so that way we don't just bull through whatever Sayaka's reaction would be.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think this fits... also I don't think being calm is a problem itself, or at least it's not addressed by... calmly explaining things.
Sayaka was angry we were talking about Oriko breaking Hitomi's arm with no outrage. That's kind of past now, anyway, since we moved on to Sayaka being livid we've been protecting the identity of the culprit who attacked her home and family (so the comment comes out of nowhere by now).
If you want to address an issue of being 'too calm', you just need to show some empathy.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Y'know, I'm perfectly willing to play rope-a-dope and let Sayaka wail on us to get it out of her system until she calms down. It's not like she can do any permanent damage. 
But yes, it's important to keep in mind that the question that Sayaka is currently asking us (while trying to pick us up by the shirtfront) is, "Why didn't you tell me about this before?" The first thing we say to her needs to respond to that.
(Although, "I was afraid you'd do something rash," seems like a much more valid reason now that Sayaka's just put her fist through a table.)
But yes, it's important to keep in mind that the question that Sayaka is currently asking us (while trying to pick us up by the shirtfront) is, "Why didn't you tell me about this before?" The first thing we say to her needs to respond to that.
(Although, "I was afraid you'd do something rash," seems like a much more valid reason now that Sayaka's just put her fist through a table.)
I don't know if you're trying to be funny, but please be reminded that the losing votes are not necessarily ignored, and might still affect Sabrina's thoughts. And we would really appreciate it if the casual murder of a friend never goes through her mind.[X] Contemplate how much easier life would be if Sayaka wasn't around.
[X] Give in to the templation and crush her soul gem.
But less problems than quickly communicating.
- Location
- Illinois
Holy shit I thought it was just a bullet hole.
So, I disagree with this. Not heavily, but I don't...
No, you know what? This might be fine, but I think you should take the "not my call to make" line after that and expand it to cover us deciding to hide this from her in the interest of not incentivizing her to contract. Because... Right now, Sayaka does not need to hear from us "I didn't want you to contract so I didn't tell you about this person who burned down your house."
If this was happening pre-contract, that'd be fine. But there's a time & place where you just have to support & accept your friends decisions, and...
And talking to the girl who wished to be useful is that.
- Location
- Illinois
The problem here is that, as Redshirt has noted in the past, we're weird. Sayaka's house burned down a week ago IC, a year OC. Our perspective on the event is that it was a long time ago, didn't permanently injure anybody, and since then O&K have done some very good things. It's in the past for us. But not everyone else.
If you feel that the vote is too self-absorbed, perhaps it should cut after addressing the calm aspect. I'd like you to note that Sayaka left us with two unanswered questions last post: why are we so calm, and why didn't we tell her about this sooner? Perhaps we had ought to answer those questions and cut to voting depending on her response. But not answering those questions would be self-absorbed, and as much as you say that we should address Sayaka's questions about how calm we are by not being calm or by "showing more empathy," the latter can be addressed through the voted approach -- yes we were angry, essentially -- and the former is simply not the right thing to do.
The redshirt wording could perhaps be better tuned.
This rather discards some key points in my original suggestion. Namely, talking about how we felt at the time. The part about us having been angry and upset at that time should be included. This needs to be "Yes, Sayaka, we were pissed about this, we weren't calm, but for us it already happened. We went out and did these things to the person who did this."
[x] Kaizuki
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Even addressing the question of how we're so calm doesn't fit the flow of the conversation right. The matter about her parents is a lot more pertinent. Spaghettifying a conversation is not a good idea. And when it comes to handling what has Sayaka worked up, we need to answer her question while displaying empathy, rather than defensiveness or self-involvement. To be blunt, Sayaka doesn't care about all the details of why we might've kept this from her, she cares about this as a seeming betrayal of our friendship and trust with her. If we don't answer to that concern right away, then none of the rest matters. We can explain all the details after this moment. She'll insist on them, but right here and now, the nitty gritty doesn't matter, it's the betrayal that does.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
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- Twin Realms Mandala
I guess I'll break my 'not voting here' reputation.
[X] Not doing Fair Letters's troll vote.
-[X] Don't even let the thought cross your mind.
--[X] If it pops up anyways, distract self by comparing Meguca to Sailor Senshi. Mami - Ami, Kyouko - Makoto, Sayaka - Minako, Homura - Chibiusa, Madoka - Hotaru, Oriko - Rei...
[X] Not doing Fair Letters's troll vote.
-[X] Don't even let the thought cross your mind.
--[X] If it pops up anyways, distract self by comparing Meguca to Sailor Senshi. Mami - Ami, Kyouko - Makoto, Sayaka - Minako, Homura - Chibiusa, Madoka - Hotaru, Oriko - Rei...
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ThIs isn't a good vote. The more attention is brought to that bad idea, the more it influences the flow of the update. Let it pass.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Homura was using a squad machine gun. "Decapitated" is underselling it - everything between her shoulders and her nose was pulp or missing.
Agree with this. We need to mess with her emotions right now and logic won't get through to her.
[] Look down at her hand where she's grabbing you.
-[] Look over to the shattered table.
--[] Look at Hitomi.
---[] Look at Sayaka. Eye contact.
----[] Disapprove.
Also, sorta good to know I can be blunt enough to make people physically ill? I didn't know I could do that. :/
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- Location
- Illinois
This is very true, Godwinson. But that said, I think apologizing to her immediately is the right way to go, and I think that following that, we should address the other concern she raised.
I've said this before, and people don't seem to understand it: when Sayaka sees something wrong, she tries to figure out if it's actually fucking evil. Look at her language. She doesn't denounce us. She doesn't, for instance, say that we're a bitch. She's angry, but she wants to discern how much she should be angry. If we make crappy justifications or say bullshit, she'll storm out. If we do things that a proper friend would do, she'll hear us out.
And right now, what we need to do is give her the answers she wants from us in a way that a friend would.
[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize for not doing so. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses."
[X] "Your other question. I'm calm now. Sayaka, that night, very shortly after we made sure you were safe, Mami, Homura and I entered a time stop. We were angry, we were upset, we were scared, and we were not calm. We went out looking for Oriko. We went through her house. We more or less spent an entire day in the time you were in the ambulance. Homura found them, and things ended with them maimed, broken, and contained. And you were okay. Your parents were okay. And you're going to stay okay, because you're our friend and we care about you."
[X] Let Sayaka reply / think / etc.
Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
- Location
- United States
So, I'm a little new to this thread, but I've binged the story in a few days, and maybe a fresh perspective may help?
I feel like a lot of people are trying to explain the problem and our solutions. This isn't about that. This is about us betraying Sayaka and/but everything is ok now, so she shouldn't be upset. And perhaps worst, showing next to no remorse for betraying her.
So, start with an apology. We've abused her trust, so at the least we should apologize. After that, emotion, so much emotion I started to tear up a little writing it up. I imagine a few tears coming out the corner of Sabrina's eyes. Back it up with a little emotional reasoning, and is it a great argument? No. But it's an emotional one, one that should help calm Sayaka. More logic, facts, and emotions can follow.
[x] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] No...we didn't tell you. And I know that's hurt you. And I'm sorry. You didn't deserve to be left in the dark about this.
-[X] Which is part of the reason I wanted to tell you now. Before, all of us, me, Mami, even Homura in her own way, were worried about you contracting. And, we thought it would be easier to not tell you immediately. And then disaster after disaster happened, and we had to play damage control. And it just never came back up.
-[X] And then you contracted. And... I couldn't tell you then. Not when you were so new to this. This new life, your new strength, your powers... I was worried you'd do something rash, or you'd get hurt or even killed. Or worse.
-[X] And you're my friend Sayaka. And no matter what you think of me, I'll always consider you my friend. And I couldn't...can't fail my friends. Let you get hurt. All of you are my friends. The people I choose to love.
-[X] So I'm sorry, that I've kept this from you.
Alt. Takes on the friend's line.
-All of you are the only people I know. The only people I love.
- You're my friends. And I love all of you.
- You're more than just friends. You're family.
I feel like a lot of people are trying to explain the problem and our solutions. This isn't about that. This is about us betraying Sayaka and/but everything is ok now, so she shouldn't be upset. And perhaps worst, showing next to no remorse for betraying her.
So, start with an apology. We've abused her trust, so at the least we should apologize. After that, emotion, so much emotion I started to tear up a little writing it up. I imagine a few tears coming out the corner of Sabrina's eyes. Back it up with a little emotional reasoning, and is it a great argument? No. But it's an emotional one, one that should help calm Sayaka. More logic, facts, and emotions can follow.
[x] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] No...we didn't tell you. And I know that's hurt you. And I'm sorry. You didn't deserve to be left in the dark about this.
-[X] Which is part of the reason I wanted to tell you now. Before, all of us, me, Mami, even Homura in her own way, were worried about you contracting. And, we thought it would be easier to not tell you immediately. And then disaster after disaster happened, and we had to play damage control. And it just never came back up.
-[X] And then you contracted. And... I couldn't tell you then. Not when you were so new to this. This new life, your new strength, your powers... I was worried you'd do something rash, or you'd get hurt or even killed. Or worse.
-[X] And you're my friend Sayaka. And no matter what you think of me, I'll always consider you my friend. And I couldn't...can't fail my friends. Let you get hurt. All of you are my friends. The people I choose to love.
-[X] So I'm sorry, that I've kept this from you.
Alt. Takes on the friend's line.
-All of you are the only people I know. The only people I love.
- You're my friends. And I love all of you.
- You're more than just friends. You're family.
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- Location
- Bowling Green
Mainly because I think it would be funny to see if we could get her to go by starring at her disapprovingly.
[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] Look down at her hand where she's grabbing you.
-[X] Look over to the shattered table.
--[X] Look at Hitomi.
---[X] Look at Sayaka. Eye contact.
----[X] Disapprove.
[X] In a calm and firm tone, "I am telling you, Sayaka. I waited to do so because that idiot was trying to save your life from something she saw in the future. She's a precognitive, so knew we would be there to save your family. I waited because I wanted you to have some distance from it, because I didn't want you to charge off after them for revenge and either die or become a murderer. If she hadn't been trying to help you, stupidly misguided as she was, I would have killed her myself to spare you from that."
[X] Emphasize that Oriko is conceited, and foolish, but she's not evil- she was trying to save lives, in her own misguided way- many people, including Sayaka, would be dead now if it weren't for their actions since their arrest.
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Need my "horrified" rating. Poor Mumi.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The "cat" rating is whatever you want it to be. :3
Julian Bradshaw
MSY Historian
- Location
- Local Group
We need to be careful not to overpromise on honesty to Sayaka here. There's a lot of knowledge very, very relevant to her we're still going to be keeping secret - the loops, the metabomb, the witchbomb. (It's worth noting all that is a part of how we ended up here: we've let the necessity of keeping some secrets excuse secretkeeping in general.) I'm not really sure how to bring this up without Sayaka demanding to be told things we can't tell her, though.
- Location
- Elsewhere
Use funny, it's the closest thing to a screaming face.
Credit goes to The3rdCorinthian for that one.
"Because I was afraid you'd contract if we told you."
"Would you have asked us to kill her? If we'd told you no, would you have contracted? Wishes warp minds. If you asked for someone to die, that desire becomes a part of you. If you ask for someone to be healed, that becomes a part of you. And if you ask someone to be healed because you want them to love you, how do you react when they don't. How much worse would it be if you wanted someone to die."
"I didn't tell you because soldiers don't tell civilians about combat. I lost a torso to a landmine outside your house. Oriko was missing a head when we were done with her. Telling you so soon after the fire was all but a guarantee that you'd take a contract. For vengeance, or vulnerability, or justice."
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Yeah. Hella confrontational and not really how I'd want to phrase it in the end. But I've gotta meet my "attempt to contribute a thought to the fastest moving quest thread" quota.
"Would you have asked us to kill her? If we'd told you no, would you have contracted? Wishes warp minds. If you asked for someone to die, that desire becomes a part of you. If you ask for someone to be healed, that becomes a part of you. And if you ask someone to be healed because you want them to love you, how do you react when they don't. How much worse would it be if you wanted someone to die."
"I didn't tell you because soldiers don't tell civilians about combat. I lost a torso to a landmine outside your house. Oriko was missing a head when we were done with her. Telling you so soon after the fire was all but a guarantee that you'd take a contract. For vengeance, or vulnerability, or justice."
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Yeah. Hella confrontational and not really how I'd want to phrase it in the end. But I've gotta meet my "attempt to contribute a thought to the fastest moving quest thread" quota.
- Location
- Illinois
Don't promise her shit. She's not Mami. We don't owe her full disclosure of everything about us because we honestly haven't had terribly much involvement with her in comparison. Friends keep some secrets, fact of life. Closer friends keep fewer. If it wouldn't hurt her, we'd tell Mami about the witchbomb, because we're close to her.
RagnorakTres
Technically Correct
- Location
- A Rolled Up Sidewalk Somewhere South Of Toledo, OH
- Pronouns
- Any/All
I'm too tired to even think about trying to put together a vote, so let me just throw out my two cents, and the vote crafters can take from it what they will. This is mostly stream of consciousness word vomit. I'm not censoring or collating or hitting specific points, just typing out what my brain has to contribute.
"Calm? I suppose there's a certain calm to be found in exhaustion. I'm tired, Sayaka. I've chosen this city, these people as mine, and I can't even conceive of a situation that would make me regret that, but I'm tired. This life is draining. Every day I have to weigh the consequences of speaking exactly what's on my mind versus the mental well being of every person in earshot. Don't say this to her, she might shatter. Don't talk about that, you'll put undue pressure on them.
"God, I'm the only person alive with half the knowledge I have, and I can't share any of it with anyone without the magical equivalent of a SCIF and forty armed guards. I feel like I'm being pulled apart, half the time. I have to keep Homura from going back to the dark, obsessive part of her mind, and don't pretend you haven't seen it in her. I adore Mami, love her with all my heart and then some, but I can't do anything about it because she's not ready for that kind of relationship with anyone, much less the bitch who ripped her world down around her ears two weeks ago. I have to keep Oriko from self-terminating because GOD KNOWS she's the only person to ever make a mistake. I have to maintain relationships with meguca from here to the other side of this stupid fucking island because a storm is coming and we need all the help we can get and then some. And now I have to talk you down from your righteous fury, that I must admit you have a right to, but I have to talk you down because Oriko isn't just a valuable strategic asset, she's basically just you and if you weren't so angry you could see that, and you're so angry at her I'm worried you'd just kill her and we all know she'd just let you do it, hell she'd probably hand you her gem, which would lead to Kirika Witching the fuck out for superpowers and OH I'M SORRY DID I FORGET TO MENTION THAT PART?
"Yeah, if you overdraw on your magic or even just don't cleanse for a few days, your soul turns inside out and you turn into the thing we hunt, the thing that, until I came along, you needed to hunt so you didn't die! The furry little bastard totally neglects to tell you that you're signing up for a zero-sum game! Isn't that a fun little tidbit of knowledge? Doesn't that just make you feel all warm inside? I'm just full of shit like that!
"And it's not even just my shit I'm full of! I'm full of other people's shit, too! Homura's as crazy as a bag full of cats with half the restraint! I keep having to convince her not to off Ms. Suicidal Seer because one time, her mistake didn't almost kill you, it killed Madoka, and that's not going into the time Homura killed Madoka herself because it was a kinder fate! But she's my friend, and those are issues we can deal with, given time.
"Mami's watched more people leave her behind than she can keep track of, and that smile, as beautiful as it is, is as brittle as stained glass. She's so damn kind that, in at least one timeline where she found out what the system was really like, she hunted down and killed every single meguca she could find because she'd recruited a bunch and felt guilty about it! Her Witch lures you into a tea party that you can never leave because she's so damn lonely, but dammit she's mine and I won't let that happen.
"Meguca don't come from good places, and they don't come from whole people. We're all just broken little girls tick-tick-ticking away until we implode and start eating people. When I made my wish, I wasn't really wishing just to control Grief, I was wishing so that I could break the system, rip it apart from the inside, and save all the broken little girls that were trapped there, but to do that I have to keep all my knowledge locked away tightly so they don't implode before I've saved them!
"So excuse me, Blueberry, if I hold my cards close to my chest. Excuse me, if I don't walk you through my garden whenever you ask, because there are briars along those paths that would eat you alive."
Or maybe I'll just type out SuperBitterSabrina ranting for like five minutes and incidentally destroying all of her relationships. That works too, right? I'm sure there's points or phrases in there for vote makers to dig out, but like I said, I'm too tired to edit right now, so have at it.
"Calm? I suppose there's a certain calm to be found in exhaustion. I'm tired, Sayaka. I've chosen this city, these people as mine, and I can't even conceive of a situation that would make me regret that, but I'm tired. This life is draining. Every day I have to weigh the consequences of speaking exactly what's on my mind versus the mental well being of every person in earshot. Don't say this to her, she might shatter. Don't talk about that, you'll put undue pressure on them.
"God, I'm the only person alive with half the knowledge I have, and I can't share any of it with anyone without the magical equivalent of a SCIF and forty armed guards. I feel like I'm being pulled apart, half the time. I have to keep Homura from going back to the dark, obsessive part of her mind, and don't pretend you haven't seen it in her. I adore Mami, love her with all my heart and then some, but I can't do anything about it because she's not ready for that kind of relationship with anyone, much less the bitch who ripped her world down around her ears two weeks ago. I have to keep Oriko from self-terminating because GOD KNOWS she's the only person to ever make a mistake. I have to maintain relationships with meguca from here to the other side of this stupid fucking island because a storm is coming and we need all the help we can get and then some. And now I have to talk you down from your righteous fury, that I must admit you have a right to, but I have to talk you down because Oriko isn't just a valuable strategic asset, she's basically just you and if you weren't so angry you could see that, and you're so angry at her I'm worried you'd just kill her and we all know she'd just let you do it, hell she'd probably hand you her gem, which would lead to Kirika Witching the fuck out for superpowers and OH I'M SORRY DID I FORGET TO MENTION THAT PART?
"Yeah, if you overdraw on your magic or even just don't cleanse for a few days, your soul turns inside out and you turn into the thing we hunt, the thing that, until I came along, you needed to hunt so you didn't die! The furry little bastard totally neglects to tell you that you're signing up for a zero-sum game! Isn't that a fun little tidbit of knowledge? Doesn't that just make you feel all warm inside? I'm just full of shit like that!
"And it's not even just my shit I'm full of! I'm full of other people's shit, too! Homura's as crazy as a bag full of cats with half the restraint! I keep having to convince her not to off Ms. Suicidal Seer because one time, her mistake didn't almost kill you, it killed Madoka, and that's not going into the time Homura killed Madoka herself because it was a kinder fate! But she's my friend, and those are issues we can deal with, given time.
"Mami's watched more people leave her behind than she can keep track of, and that smile, as beautiful as it is, is as brittle as stained glass. She's so damn kind that, in at least one timeline where she found out what the system was really like, she hunted down and killed every single meguca she could find because she'd recruited a bunch and felt guilty about it! Her Witch lures you into a tea party that you can never leave because she's so damn lonely, but dammit she's mine and I won't let that happen.
"Meguca don't come from good places, and they don't come from whole people. We're all just broken little girls tick-tick-ticking away until we implode and start eating people. When I made my wish, I wasn't really wishing just to control Grief, I was wishing so that I could break the system, rip it apart from the inside, and save all the broken little girls that were trapped there, but to do that I have to keep all my knowledge locked away tightly so they don't implode before I've saved them!
"So excuse me, Blueberry, if I hold my cards close to my chest. Excuse me, if I don't walk you through my garden whenever you ask, because there are briars along those paths that would eat you alive."
Or maybe I'll just type out SuperBitterSabrina ranting for like five minutes and incidentally destroying all of her relationships. That works too, right? I'm sure there's points or phrases in there for vote makers to dig out, but like I said, I'm too tired to edit right now, so have at it.
- Location
- A friendly desert community
[X] Kaizuki
I almost went with Redshirt but I think brevity is good here. Need to not bowl over Sayaka's response and all that. Although I DO want to bring up at some point that breaking furniture and grabbing people is not okay.
I almost went with Redshirt but I think brevity is good here. Need to not bowl over Sayaka's response and all that. Although I DO want to bring up at some point that breaking furniture and grabbing people is not okay.