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Duskwitch said:
Although I DO want to bring up at some point that breaking furniture and grabbing people is not okay.
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I think Sayaka knows that already. Let it be known that Miki!Mom and Miki!Dad didn't raise a delinquent. Her temper's just getting the better of her as it usually does, and we shouldn't be too harsh to preteens that have emotional outbursts.
 
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Seems Sabrina will be undergoing yet another period of almost vomiting in self-disgust?
Kaizuki said:
Yo! After this we're going to be home alone with Mami and no plans for a little while.

Let's watch a movie or something if there's time after her homework?
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No, let's discuss preventive hunting of Walpurgisnacht with Homura to get at least feasibility of it out of the way first. Homura is getting annoyed by Sabrina doing little in that regard.
 
[x] Kaizuki

Front-load the apology for not telling her sooner.

I don't like the way RSA handles the "why are you so calm" response. Sabrina isn't spent at all. We just engineered a happy, upbeat picnic, delivered a well-composed speech, and maintained iron self-control in the face of shattering furniture. "Spent" just isn't truthful. Kaizuki's explanation is far more accurate: we were angry, but we've had far more time to process and had an opportunity to deal with the source of our anger. Beyond that, Kaizuki's writeup far more directly delivers the message of "I dealt with them", which is basically the only thing I think will satisfy Sayaka right now. Redshirt Army dances around exactly what we did with them, to the point that it sounds evasive. That's just going to make Sayaka more angry. We found them, maimed them, and broke their spirits. We don't need to dress it up, nor do I think we should. If we want to discourage continuing or future instances of MAXIMUM JUSTICE, that blunt delivery also serves our long-term goals far better: The best way to deal with MAXIMUM JUSTICE is to impress on Sayaka the brutality that she'd need to make it stick and how horrible it'd be. I still think that we should tell her that we considered executing Oriko and decided against it, if only to short-circuit that argument or try to shock her out of her anger.
 
Okay,I agree with a lot of the ideas out here already, but I'm going to try throw out another idea to see your thoughts. I might end up voting for a plan that's already out there, but just to consider multiple angles:

[]"I didn't tell you because I was afraid that my friend might do something in the heat of the moment that she would later regret, or worse, that would get her killed."
[]"I thought about how best to tell you this for a long time, Sayaka. I know you had a right to know, and I'm sorry for keeping it from you for so long. I was being a coward who was afraid of how you'd react."
[]"I did terrible things I'm not proud of that night. I wouldn't want you to be burdened the same way and I decided you were too close to the crime to judge fairly. I can tell you that they have been punished, but I believe they can be reformed and want to try. Would the world not be better with their powers turned to good instead of removed completely?"
[]"Also, I was afraid of what Oriko had seen and wanted a chance to learn from it to prepare for the danger she predicted before that opportunity was lost."

A few ideas?
 
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[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I'm sorry I didn't."
[X] Tired tone of voice. "Calm... Maybe I'm calm. I think it's more like I'm spent."
-[X] "We spent almost 16 hours straight in stopped time scouring all of Mitakihara to find them. Nearly killed them both, interrogated them, and I... I had to threaten Kirika to get her to surrender in the end. I'm not proud of what I did, but they weren't a threat anymore. And you were already safe. We'd stopped her and Kirika's plans and she'd... I'd made her surrender."
--[x] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it cost her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.
--[x]But we didn't have the right to make that call; Sayaka and Hitomi both deserved to know earlier. We're sorry we kept this from them.
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Redshirt Army
aeqnai
Guilop
Hannz
mistfist
MrLZRS
nekcihc
Sailor Midgard

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize for not doing so. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses."
[X] "Your other question. I'm calm now. Sayaka, that night, very shortly after we made sure you were safe, Mami, Homura and I entered a time stop. We were angry, we were upset, we were scared, and we were not calm. We went out looking for Oriko. We went through her house. We more or less spent an entire day in the time you were in the ambulance. Homura found them, and things ended with them maimed, broken, and contained. And you were okay. Your parents were okay. And you're going to stay okay, because you're our friend and we care about you."
[X] Let Sayaka reply / think / etc.
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Muramasa
AuraTwilight
Duskwitch
Gadjo
JarringToaster
Kaizuki
Vebyast
Yarudazuigu

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[X] In a calm and gentle tone, "I am telling you, Sayaka. I waited to do so because that idiot was trying to save your life from something she saw in the future. She's a precognitive, so knew we would be there to save your family. I waited because I wanted you to have some distance from it, because I didn't want you to charge off after them for revenge and either die or become a murderer. If she hadn't been trying to help you, stupidly misguided as she was, I would have killed her myself to spare you from that."
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Godwinson
UbeOne

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] "They are under house arrest and will be killed, no reservations, if they step out of line. After interrogation under threat of eternal doom, which was not a hyperbole. They are not 'free' and are already quite punished."
[X] "She is arrogant and foolish, sure, but she is still human and she is trying to do good, however fucked up the results sometimes are. What would you rather have me do, kill her instead of giving her another chance?"
[X] Remind her that from the very beginning, your Wish was intended to help everybody, not only good girls.
[X] Use Sendai as an example of how you try your best to make peace instead of going on rampages, however easier those are. And that you always do your best to let everyone be the best person they can be instead of just finishing off everyone you don't like, however easier is the latter. Also, as an example of how Oriko can be good, useful and save lives - Sendai is not in ruins, after all.
[X] "And I was intending to tell you back when you where in hospital. Your parents were there, and...then, well, there were a lot of things on my mind. Oriko and Kirika could have proven unstable and I would finish them off, dealing with the whole problem. Still, not telling you earlier is indeed a grave and stupid mistake. I do apologize for this."
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ctulhuslp

[X] ctulhuslp
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Andmeuths

[X] The God of Win, Son
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The3rdCorinthian

[X] Not doing Fair Letters's troll vote.
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rkyeun

[X] Contemplate how much easier life would be if Sayaka wasn't around.
[X] Give in to the templation and crush her soul gem.
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Fair Letters

[x] Kaisuki
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angelofwhim

[X] Not doing Fair Letters's troll vote.
-[X] Don't even let the thought cross your mind.
--[X] If it pops up anyways, distract self by comparing Meguca to Sailor Senshi. Mami - Ami, Kyouko - Makoto, Sayaka - Minako, Homura - Chibiusa, Madoka - Hotaru, Oriko - Rei...
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Matou Sutegobana

[x] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] No...we didn't tell you. And I know that's hurt you. And I'm sorry. You didn't deserve to be left in the dark about this.
-[X] Which is part of the reason I wanted to tell you now. Before, all of us, me, Mami, even Homura in her own way, were worried about you contracting. And, we thought it would be easier to not tell you immediately. And then disaster after disaster happened, and we had to play damage control. And it just never came back up.
-[X] And then you contracted. And... I couldn't tell you then. Not when you were so new to this. This new life, your new strength, your powers... I was worried you'd do something rash, or you'd get hurt or even killed. Or worse.
-[X] And you're my friend Sayaka. And no matter what you think of me, I'll always consider you my friend. And I couldn't...can't fail my friends. Let you get hurt. All of you are my friends. The people I choose to love.
-[X] So I'm sorry, that I've kept this from you.
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Zedman7054

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] Look down at her hand where she's grabbing you.
-[X] Look over to the shattered table.
--[X] Look at Hitomi.
---[X] Look at Sayaka. Eye contact.
----[X] Disapprove.
[X] In a calm and firm tone, "I am telling you, Sayaka. I waited to do so because that idiot was trying to save your life from something she saw in the future. She's a precognitive, so knew we would be there to save your family. I waited because I wanted you to have some distance from it, because I didn't want you to charge off after them for revenge and either die or become a murderer. If she hadn't been trying to help you, stupidly misguided as she was, I would have killed her myself to spare you from that."
[X] Emphasize that Oriko is conceited, and foolish, but she's not evil- she was trying to save lives, in her own misguided way- many people, including Sayaka, would be dead now if it weren't for their actions since their arrest.
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AramilOniasha

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[X] Redshirt Army

Again, does Sayaka know about Homura's timestop? And is Homura ok with us sharing that info if the answer to the first is no? That is really important.
 
The Oldman said:
[X] Redshirt Army

Again, does Sayaka know about Homura's timestop? And is Homura ok with us sharing that info if the answer to the first is no? That is really important.
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I don't believe Sayaka knows, but since the Incubator is happily spilling the beans on Homura's power to anyone who asks, her annoyance with telling Sayaka will be highly tempered. It's not a major concern at the moment.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I don't believe Sayaka knows, but since the Incubator is happily spilling the beans on Homura's power to anyone who asks, her annoyance with telling Sayaka will be highly tempered. It's not a major concern at the moment.
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Hmm...we kind of are on thin ice with Homura, even if she knows we're on her side.
Also, remind me of the time Coobs told anyone about Homura's power, I don't remember that happening, it's been a bit since I binged on the quest.
 
Hmm. @Kaizuki, thoughts on this gattai? We should try and reach consensus, since this is kinda an important vote.

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize for not doing so. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses."
[X] "Your other question. I'm calm now. Sayaka, that night, very shortly after we made sure you were safe, Mami, Homura and I spent 16 hours straight in stopped time hunting Oriko down. We were angry, we were upset, we were scared, and we were not calm. We went out looking for Oriko. We went through her house. We more or less spent an entire day in the time you were in the ambulance. Homura found them, and things ended with them maimed, broken, and contained.

[x] If/when she demands to know why we didin't tell her sooner: Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it cost her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.
-[x] But we didn't have the right to make that call; Sayaka and Hitomi both deserved to know earlier. We're sorry we kept this from them.

@Firnagzen
Point of order, how long did we spend hunting down Oriko? I'm eyeballing it at 16 hours, but how accurate is that?
 
Redshirt Army said:
Kyouko, before we met with her for the first time.
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That sneaky little rat.
Ok...ok...let's see here...

Redshirt Army's vote is now basically the same as Kaizuki's, only prepared to answer if Sayaka asks why we didn't tell her sooner and without directly mentioning the timestop.


Therefore, I see no reason to change my vote. Better prepared and murderous than unprepared and murdered.
 
Redshirt Army said:
x] If/when she demands to know why we didin't tell her sooner: Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it cost her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.
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I continue to heavily disagree with this, redshirt. This is not going to go well. And Ugo notes that part of it is factually incorrect. The rest is pretty much fine: it's hard to tell whether leaving in/out the "everyone was out" bits improve the vote.

The Oldman said:
That sneaky little rat.
Ok...ok...let's see here...

Redshirt Army's vote is now basically the same as Kaizuki's, only prepared to answer if Sayaka asks why we didn't tell her sooner and without directly mentioning the timestop.


Therefore, I see no reason to change my vote. Better prepared and murderous than unprepared and murdered.
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The contract nonsense is intolerable. If we have to say that stuff, we're going to need to further justify it. We've done a terrible job of making contracts look bad if you're willing to put up with the lichbomb, and clearly Sayakais willing to put up with that. Given that, we really need to give more reasons why trying to prevent her from contracting was in fact acting in her interest, or we're going to come off as "I didn't tell you about Oriko burning down your house for your own good, so don't be angry with me," and Sayaka is going to be pissed at that and rightly so.

So, what I'd like do is give that bit its own vote if at all possible & necessary, and while we would have to say something similar it would need to include reasons why we don't want people to contract when the environment they're in seems to be safe, fun, and stable for contractees.
 
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Consensus matters, so I'm willing to cut the vote, as long as it's addressed next update.

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize for not doing so. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses."
[X] "Your other question. I'm calm now. Sayaka, that night, very shortly after we made sure you were safe, Mami, Homura and I spent 16 hours straight in stopped time hunting Oriko down. We were angry, we were upset, we were scared, and we were not calm. We went out looking for Oriko. We went through her house. We more or less spent an entire day in the time you were in the ambulance. Homura found them, and things ended with them maimed, broken, and contained.

[x] When she demands to know why we didn't tell her sooner: Cut to voting.


That said, I can't imagine "there were reasons but they sucked sorry" being enough to settle her - it's entirely inevitable that she'll want details, and as far as I can tell, "Seyiku no contract" was the reason we didn't tell her. A vote like the above is basically just kicking the can down the road without actually addressing the main issue Sayaka has with us.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Consensus matters, so I'm willing to cut the vote, as long as it's addressed next update.

[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] "I'm telling you now. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize for not doing so. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses."
[X] "Your other question. I'm calm now. Sayaka, that night, very shortly after we made sure you were safe, Mami, Homura and I spent 16 hours straight in stopped time hunting Oriko down. We were angry, we were upset, we were scared, and we were not calm. We went out looking for Oriko. We went through her house. We more or less spent an entire day in the time you were in the ambulance. Homura found them, and things ended with them maimed, broken, and contained.

[x] When she demands to know why we didn't tell her sooner: Cut to voting.


That said, I can't imagine "there were reasons but they sucked sorry" being enough to settle her - it's entirely inevitable that she'll want details, and as far as I can tell, "Seyiku no contract" was the reason we didn't tell her. A vote like the above is basically just kicking the can down the road without actually addressing the main issue Sayaka has with us.
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Kaizuki said:
So, what I'd like do is give that bit its own vote if at all possible & necessary, and while we would have to say something similar it would need to include reasons why we don't want people to contract when the environment they're in seems to be safe, fun, and stable for contractees.
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[X] Redshirt Army
 
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