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So a question: when did Hitomi get pushed down the stairs and how long ago did Sayaka's house get burned down in quest? A week ago or so?

And when did they learn about magic? A few days ago?

Sayaka's angry at us for withholding this information and we need to explain that first, but it's not like we kept secrets forever. There was just a lot of crap going on, including her wicth attack and contract. I'll go with Redshirt for now.

[X] Redshirt Army
 
[X] Gadjo

Y'know we could let Sayaka hit us a couple times. No real cost to us.

Mmmmm

We may have to convey to Sayaka reasons why we want people to not contract, why we actively try to prevent it. The lichbomb isn't good enough. Presumably the way to do this is something like "Can you look at it from the outside, Sayaka? A four/fifteen year old girl contracted two weeks ago. Since then, she's fought in a war where she cut off other teenage girls' limbs, crippled and imprisoned two teenage girls, and... And her name is Sabrina. We have a good thing here in Mitakihara, Sayaka. All of us, including you, are much more powerful than is the norm, and much friendlier at that. But taking the world as a whole into consideration... By and large, meguca have a much shorter life expectancy than normal people. And you're fourteen, Sayaka."

Oooooooon the other hand we might want to avoid going too ham on that because Mistakes-were-made-Mami is sitting next to us and recruited meguca for years. Oh dear.
 
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I think Sayaka gets the message guys. The only thing left is for her to see the results herself, and that'll come with the meeting with Oriko and Kirika who are still disabled/look miserable if I recall correctly.

What we need now is to keep Sayaka calm, not go on about how bad MG life is. That comes later.
 
Hannz said:
I think Sayaka gets the message guys. The only thing left is for her to see the results herself, and that'll come with the meeting with Oriko and Kirika who are still disabled/look miserable if I recall correctly.

What we need now is to keep Sayaka calm, not go on about how bad MG life is. That comes later.
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It's speculation for after this vote, if Sayaka raises such topics.
 
If someone could try to gattai the Gadjo and Godwinson votes, I think I'd support that. Both votes feel like they're on the right track, but aren't... complete?
 
[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[X] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize that I didn't."
-[X] When she insists on knowing the reasons we didn't tell her:
--[X] Deflate, look down. "Because I didn't want you to contract. The average life expectancy of a fresh magical girl is around a year at most. Being a magical girl means that you have to fight, constantly, just to maintain the resource that keep you alive."
---[X] "I'm trying to change that - I'm going to change that - but... it's something I thought I could keep you from. But that was wrong. You and Hitomi both deserved to know earlier, and I'm sorry that I kept it from you."
 
Redshirt Army said:
[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[X] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[X] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I apologize that I didn't."
-[X] When she insists on knowing the reasons we didn't tell her:
--[X] Deflate, look down. "Because I didn't want you to contract. The average life expectancy of a fresh magical girl is around a year at most. Being a magical girl means that you have to fight, constantly, just to maintain the resource that keep you alive."
---[X] "I'm trying to change that - I'm going to change that - but... it's something I thought I could keep you from. But that was wrong. You and Hitomi both deserved to know earlier, and I'm sorry that I kept it from you."
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[] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I'm sorry I didn't."
-[] When she insists on knowing the reasons we didn't tell her:
--[] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters. We failed there, so we're out of excuses. Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.
--[] We probably didn't have the right to make this call; they both deserved to know earlier. We're sorry we kept this from them.

Not sure we can go on a tangent about Grief Seeds and our System Breaking Mission.
 
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[x] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[x] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I'm sorry I didn't."
-[x] When she insists on knowing the reasons we didn't tell her:
--[x] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.
--[x] We didn't have the right to make that call; they both deserved to know earlier. We're sorry we kept this from them.
 
:/ I don't like the answer. Why are we telling Sayaka we didn't want her involved, when she wants more then anything else to be included and a respected part of the group?
 
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Muramasa said:
:/ I don't like the answer. Why are we telling Sayaka we didn't want her involved, when she wants more then anything else to be included and a respected part of the group?
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Because we didn't want her to sell her Soul, more or less. At the end, Sayaka contracted because she felt powerless against the magical threats in her life, so it's not unfounded to think that Sayaka learning it was a Magical Girl who burned her house would prompt her to Contract.
 
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Onmur said:
Because we didn't want her to sell her Soul, more or less. At the end, Sayaka contracted because she felt powerless against the magical threats in her life, so it's not unfounded to think that Sayaka learning it was a Magical Girl who burned her house would prompt her to Contract.
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That's a better argument but I don't think it's explained well in the current vote. Contract is too clean a word. Contracting just means 'Becoming a magical girl' which avoids the harder details and which Sayaka isn't against in and of itself. There's a disassociated element between contracting and 'selling yourself into a life of hardship and isolation and fighting and getting hurt.'
 
Muramasa said:
That's a better argument but I don't think it's explained well in the current vote. Contract is too clean a word. Contracting just means 'Becoming a magical girl' which avoids the harder details and which Sayaka isn't against in and of itself. There's a disassociated element between contracting and 'selling yourself into a life of hardship and isolation and fighting and getting hurt.'
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--[] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it costed it her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.

Conciseness is hard. :\
 
If I recall correctly, the reason Sabrina held off telling Sayaka was so Sayaka could enjoy happy times including the picnic, without having a cloud ruining it.
 
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--[] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it costed it her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.

Conciseness is hard. :\
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"Because I didn't want you to sell your soul to Kyubey for revenge. I wouldn't want any girl to ever have to go through that if I could prevent it."
 
Onmur said:
--[] Tell her we didn't want her to Contract, and that we thought she might, if she knew, if she got involved even further in magical matters, even if it costed it her soul, even if she knew it'd mean a life of fighting to survive. But, given what happened... Now we just wanted her to come to terms with her Contract before dropping this on her.

Conciseness is hard. :\
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Betterish. Sayaka doesn't really understand the survival element yet, so that part of the reasoning is probably going to fall flat. Life of fighting would do for now.


That said... hmm. Gadjo, Godwinson and Redshirts vote (with edits) would all have good reasons.

I feel a gattai vote would make for the best answer here.
 
[X] Telepathy Mami. She isn't going to hurt me. Please don't tie her up- it'll only make her more difficult to calm down.
[x] Hang there calmly. Place your hands over hers.
[x] "I'm telling you now. Things kept coming up, but... I won't make excuses. I should have told you sooner, and I'm sorry I didn't."
[X] " We'd...we'd already stopped her by then. Nearly killed her. I...I had to threaten Kirika to get her to surrender in the end. I'm not proud of what I did, but they weren't a threat anymore. And you were already safe. We'd stopped her and Kirika's plans and she'd...I'd made her surrender."
[X] Tell her Oriko was foolish- she has precog, yeah?- but she saw Sayaka dead within the month. Misguided and stupid as what she did was, she thought she was doing the right thing. That's why we arrested her.
[X] If she thinks that's a lie, tell her we had to work pretty hard to get her just to tell us that in the first place.
[X] Emphasize that Oriko is conceited, and foolish, but she's not evil- she was trying to save lives, in her own misguided way- many people, including Sayaka, would be dead now if it weren't for their actions since their arrest.
--[x]But we didn't have the right to make that call; Sayaka and Hitomi both deserved to know earlier. We're sorry we kept this from them.

Gattai'd the votes a little bit- I think it's important to bring across why we saved Oriko as well as apologize to her for not telling her earlier. What think?
 
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Gadjo said:
Tell her Oriko was foolish- she has precog, yeah?- but she saw Sayaka dead in two weeks.
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Technically, Oriko saw Sayaka would die by next week since the night of eternal long-ass timestop was over a week ago.

...Anyone got a link to the active calendar/timeline again? I got an inkling that the "dead in two weeks" thing might actually be today.
 
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