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Vebyast said:
[] Sayaka. I found the person that burned your house down and pushed Hitomi down the stairs. After I defeated her and extracted a confession, I found that I couldn't in good conscience execute her. She was trying to do the right thing and simply became too extreme, guided by her precognition to believe that it'd make the world a better place overall, and at that point she'd already suffered enough. She's under house arrest for the foreseeable future. If you think you can keep yourself from trying to kill her on sight, she'd like to apologize to you personally.

Is that something we can say? Cognitive dissonance and framing, hooray!
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Hell no.

You want to make promises we can't keep? That'll just make Sayaka and Oriko mad at us.
 
Vebyast said:
[] Sayaka. I found the person that burned your house down and pushed Hitomi down the stairs. After I defeated her and extracted a confession, I found that I couldn't in good conscience execute her. She was trying to do the right thing and simply became too extreme, guided by her precognition to believe that it'd make the world a better place overall, and at that point she'd already suffered enough. She's under house arrest for the foreseeable future. If you think you can keep yourself from trying to kill her on sight, she'd like to apologize to you personally.
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Uhhhh we'd get as far as the first sentence before she flew into a rage and demanded to know what we did with them. At that point Sayaka, being a Sayaka, would not listen while we tried to explain the situation and then we would have a full JUSTICE Sayaka on our hands. We do not want that.
 
Vebyast said:
I was asking whether Oriko intends to apologize. I guess I didn't write that clearly enough.


If Oriko doesn't intend to apologize, I'm not sure this is salvageable. What the hell are you people thinking?
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This isn't about Oriko apologizing, it's about Sayaka knowing about Oriko and not wanting to murder her.

Sayaka's going to hate Oriko no matter what, our job is to make sure she calms down long enough to understand Oriko's actions. The alternative is to leave this open for Kyubey to exploit while we're outside Mitakihara.
 
Vebyast said:
I was asking whether Oriko intends to apologize. I guess I didn't write that clearly enough.


If Oriko doesn't intend to apologize, I'm not sure this is salvageable. What the hell are you people thinking?
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Thinking promising someone else will apologize when we have no idea if they will actually apologize (being Oriko I suspect we'll get "it was necessary and saved her life. I'm not sorry.") is a terrible idea, especially when dealing with an angry mentally unstable teenager with superpowers.

Also like the fine tuning.
[X] The Narrator
 
Hannz said:
This isn't about Oriko apologizing, it's about Sayaka knowing about Oriko and not wanting to murder her.
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That's what I mean. When Sayaka shows up, if Oriko does anything other than acknowledging wrongdoing, she's dead. Our entire argument revolves around rehabilitation being better than just killing her. That all goes out the window if Oriko mouths off.

You might be able to get away with it if you can get Sayaka to see some kinship in their shared philosophical extremism. You might be able to get away with it by poking Sayaka's sense of "don't bring yourself down to her level". With an unrepentant Oriko, I'm really not convinced that a "she went too far and we're rehabilitating her" argument will fly.
 
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Vebyast said:
That's what I mean. When Sayaka shows up, if Oriko does anything other than acknowledging wrongdoing, she's dead. Our entire argument revolves around rehabilitation being better than just killing her. That all goes out the window if Oriko mouths off.
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Sayaka can never overpower Kirika, so Oriko's going to be pretty safe from the Blueberry.

Sayaka knows our rehab isn't perfect, and it isn't even done yet thus why they're still under House Arrest. We acknowledged it in the vote, and a Sayaka that's mostly calmed down will keep that in mind.
 
Vebyast said:
[] Sayaka. I found the person that burned your house down and pushed Hitomi down the stairs. After I defeated her and extracted a confession, I found that I couldn't in good conscience execute her. She was trying to do the right thing and simply became too extreme, guided by her precognition to believe that it'd make the world a better place overall, and at that point she'd already suffered enough. She's under house arrest for the foreseeable future. If you think you can keep yourself from trying to kill her on sight, she'd like to apologize to you personally.

Is that something we can say? Cognitive dissonance and framing, hooray!
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There's a reason that both Hannz and I put the "she burned down your house" reveal at the end of our votes: we're pretty sure that once we say that, Sayaka is going to lose her shit and isn't going to hear anything else we have to say.

As for why we're telling her, I think it's mostly because we suspect that if we don't, Kyubey will at the worst possible moment, and that will lead to Sayaka doing something rash and bad things happening. Although the fact that having to compartmentalize so much information is becoming a nuisance may also be a factor.
 
Gadjo said:
Uhhhh we'd get as far as the first sentence before she flew into a rage and demanded to know what we did with them. At that point Sayaka, being a Sayaka, would not listen while we tried to explain the situation and then we would have a full JUSTICE Sayaka on our hands. We do not want that.
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???

How do you imagine this happening? I mean, even if she flew into a rage and demanded to know what we did with them, I think Sabrina's theoretical stone-cold response of 'we beat her to death, revived her, threatened her girlfriend, then arrested her. Then she went through severe magical pain on par with torture for an extended period of tme, and has since accepted her inevitable death' might be enough to placate her.

Under NO circumstances do I imagine Sabrina saying "Oh, we brought her home at *gives address* and she's probably there right now, say Hi for me while you're killing her!"

I don't know exactly what you mean by having a 'full justice Sayaka' on our hands. She can't actually do anything until we give her the right information, and it's very easy to demand that we have an actual dialogue before giving out her current whereabouts.
Hannz said:
This isn't about Oriko apologizing, it's about Sayaka knowing about Oriko and not wanting to murder her.
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Do you mean like, stab an unarmed girl through the face (and/or gem) wanting to murder her? Because I don't see that happening. At worst, she'd beat her up a bit, and even that's conditional on what I said to Gadjo.

Vebyast said:
That's what I mean. When Sayaka shows up, if Oriko does anything other than acknowledging wrongdoing, she's dead.
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Like, literally dead? Murdered? Killed? Because, again, I don't see that happening.

I don't see Sayaka becoming a murderer.

I don't see Sabrina Letting Sayaka become a murderer, either via information control or via brute force if necessary

I don't see Kirika letting Sayaka become a murderer. I mean, seriously. Even if Kirika managed to not escalate things into a fight, she'd at the very least throw herself in front of Oriko, all teary eyed, begging for her life.

Guys, I don't think Sayaka literally killing Oriko is that much of a concern. I mean, it's something to watch out for, but if that's what you're worried about then we're gonna be just fine.
 
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If the worst-case outcome is Oriko getting a bit beaten up, do we really care that much? Kinda doubt Sayaka would be able to bring herself to beat up an invalid anyway, in which case mission accomplished.
redzonejoe said:
she'd at the very least throw herself in front of Oriko, all teary eyed, begging for her life.
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If we want an outcome where Sayaka is a-okay with Oriko and Kirika, this is probably a way to do it. I think I put together my own version of the idea last update, had a line like "was willing to sacrifice everything except, as it turns out, her girlfriend".
 
Vebyast said:
If the worst-case outcome is Oriko getting a bit beaten up, do we really care that much? Kinda doubt Sayaka would be able to bring herself to beat up an invalid anyway, in which case mission accomplished.
If we want an outcome where Sayaka is a-okay with Oriko and Kirika, this is probably a way to do it. I think I put together my own version of the idea last update, had a line like "was willing to sacrifice everything except, as it turns out, her girlfriend".
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Yes we care because Kirika would murder Sayaka if she so much as lays a finger on Oriko (Insane Yandere everyone!), and then we'll have to stop her with force which ruins all the progress we've made with the two.

We don't want an Sayaka that's a-okay with Oriko because that's impossible, we want a Sayaka that at the very least, isn't going full HERO OF JUSTICE when it comes to Oriko.
 
We want a Sayaka that at least understands the intention and context of Oriko's actions.

Edit: ...Though if I were Sayaka, I wouldn't like the fact that she still burned my house down and injured my friends and family.
 
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Vebyast said:
If the worst-case outcome is Oriko getting a bit beaten up, do we really care that much? Kinda doubt Sayaka would be able to bring herself to beat up an invalid anyway, in which case mission accomplished.
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Even if Sayaka never tries to lay a finger on Oriko, we don't particularly want her to be filled with more than a minimal amount (because "none" is probably impossible) of seething resentment towards her (or towards us for protecting her), either. It probably wouldn't be good for her soul gem, and would make future group activities somewhat problematic.

It's a given that there's going to be at least some hate here, we just want to keep it to manageable levels.
 
Don't forget.

"I agree that the information will get out eventually, and I think it needs to be broken gently," Oriko says. She gives you a smile with not an ounce of mirth in it. "It's one of the ways I die. She finds out when you're not in Mitakihara." Her hand, running through Kirika's hair, slows and tightens a bit. "She dies shortly afterwards."

Kirika's hand reaches up and catches Oriko's, squeezing tightly.

"I can imagine," you say drily. Not too hard to fill in the pieces, though... you admit, you can't quite see Sayaka going for the kill. As it is, she doesn't know that her house burning down was deliberate arson, but even so.

"Soul Gem," Oriko says, watching you with a blank, unwavering expression. "Accident."

A rather nasty suspicion surfaces in your mind. Given Oriko's fatalism... Accident, or accident?
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Much as we like her, Oriko's a bitch. She'll likely try to paint herself in the worst light possible (HURR WOOMAN DOIN HURR DESICION syndrome) and needle Sayaka and generally make things difficult.
 
"Why? Why did you do all those things?!"

"I did what I had to do, for the greater good. Those weren't easy decisions to make, but I will stand by my choices."
 
[Q] Before going to Oriko's, stop to buy some strong, hardened chain.
-[Q] Ignore questions about it.
--[Q] When you get to Oriko's, jump attack and disable Best Buddy and tie her up with the chain.
---[Q] Now that the Yandere's been securely immobilized, we can proceed with putting her Ojou in a tight situation where she might receive some blows to the face.
----[Q] After everything works out, call Homura: Success! She owes you some hugs for handling this situation so well.
 
Firnagzen said:
You grimace. "I... well, I want to tell Sayaka about... you know, Oriko. Hitomi, too," you say. "I just... I'm not completely sure of myself, I guess. I'm worried I'll mess it up, and I don't even know if I should tell them together or seperately."

Mami smiles up at you, seemingly unworried. "I believe in you, Sabrina," she says. "You'll figure it out. But... I think you should tell them together."

You nod, relaxing a little. "I thought so too," you say. "I mean, if nothing else, Hitomi'll hopefully be a calming influence, right?"

Mami nods, giving you a reassuring smile. "You'll figure it out," she says, unwavering confidence in her voice.
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IDk if this was voted in or not but *massive smiley*
 
Current Mami status: Trusting in Sabrina.

Current Homura status: Trusting in Sabrina.

Current Sabrina status: Realizing people are relying on her. Panic imminent.
 
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