Uhhhh. That seems at odds with your assertion that if we "merely" save the meguca on earth from their fates, that we've failed and should go make Madoka wish. If the number of people affected is unimportant, hell why don't we just focus on our friends? I think we should look beyond them as well, but you can see why that logic is problematic.
You're thinking I'm saying the
opposite of what I actually am. If
a single person in all the Universe is allowed to turn into a witch, it is
as bad as if
everyone in the entire Universe was turned into a witch.
That is what I'm saying and
that is why the idea of restricting ourselves disgusts me. The morality of an action must be decided by applying the results of those most negatively affected to
everyone.
...that makes no sense at all. None whatsoever. Of course the amount of people affected is important to this, why would the impact on a single person have any effect at all? Why does 'witches are important' make removing witches save all of timespace forever'?
Because Madoka transformed the Universe from one where a person could suffer the horrors of becoming a witch to a Universe where that can't happen. Even if only one person is affected, it's a totally different Universe.
This is even more puzzling. It runs entirely counter to everything in the narrative, and asserts a much higher powerlevel given to her than was ever implied in any part of the franchise. Madokami is not omnipotent, she isn't even categorically omnipotent in things her own purview. Nothing about her or the story requires or states that she is.
Madokami explicitly said "I know everything that will ever happen", claimed to be omnipresent, was shown timetravelling to both the past and future, claimed to be able to change the past,
did change the past, claimed to exist in every Universe, every
possible Universe and even in
impossible Universes, was shown interacting with herself etc. That means she knew Rebellion would happen and could timetravel to the past to prevent it if she wanted to, which she didn't.
Madoka's canon wish ultimately only affected magical girls, and even then, her influence was limited to preventing witches and providing an afterlife. Unlike Sereg, I agree that her canon wish hardly 'fixed everything'. But then, I also think her PMAS wish was better then her canonical wish.
Wrong. Innocent people were killed by withes and familiar, so they
were affected. That said, as said, 'd believe that even if it only affected a single person. The City of Omelas is more revolting than any society that has ever existed and saving the child of Omelas is the same as saving the Universe.
I still believe that:
• On an OOC basis, if we, as a playerbase, can't get a better ending then the canonical one, then this whole endeavour was pointless. That the canonical ending wasn't perfect just means that our goal is possible - after all, definitionally, you can't improve perfection.
Well, this is one of the reasons I'm surprised. I don't understand how we could improve on Madokami's wish,
but I want to find out.
• On an IC basis, Madoka's wish has been fulfilled - everything can be fixed. Not necessarily easily, and not necessarily by us, but change for the better is possible.
Agreed.
Your own personal values don't matter, here. You can consider witches as big a deal as you want, but whether Mami dies or turns into a witch doesn't effect anyone else. It's only slightly better than an aesthetic change to the universe.
But it matters to the girls who would become witches. It doesn't mean the entire universe, or all of space-time, but it matters to those girls.
And that's enough. That's all it needs to be. The considerations of the individual cannot be consumed by the depersonalization of Utilitarianism. That's the whole point of Urobuchi's writing.
And I agree with that, as I've shown above.
Irrelevant.
Or Homura was about to go over her head because the power of "Ai" is greater than hers.
...As confirmed in Wraith Arc.
Which changes nothing. Madoka's powers are her powers regardless of who's more powerful than her.
Irrelevant.
...Yea, and? It PROBABLY means she's an alien but it could also just be the emotionally-painted dream-narrative of the Witch, since they're always metaphorical. One Witch is described as a dog, even.
And besides, it could always be a retcon if and when they use Itzli in a movie and reveal her to be a human girl. They sure as fuck retconned Homulilly, who cares.
I care about retcons very much, thank you.
Yea, but in exchange Wraiths exist and fuck people up. I'm simplifying the math to make a point that in the grand scheme of things, it pretty much evens out to zero, except for the girls themselves who are taken out of the universe.
It's almost like this balance thing is like...a theme.
Wraiths are way better than witches. Witches drive their victims to suicide (so
maximum suffering), while Wraiths steal emotions (
so the minimum amount of suffering possible to be inflicted by an antagonist). The balance doesn't exist.
This is surprising to me. Given your stance on uplifting in Ignition, I would have expected you to take a very dim view of Madoka restricting her saving to just magical girls.
I would, if non-magical girls had something they needed to be saved from, which I don't believe.
