"That was rude."

"I'm sorry Best Buddy, I'll warn you next time I hit you in the head."

"Hpmf!" *Nods* "You better!"

*Walks away*


"You've got a... strange friendship."

*Shrug* "Anybody can be friends as long as they follow some implicit rules... or, in this case, explicit rules."

*Hands over a folder to Homura*

*Opens folder to find a single page inside*

...

...

...

"Didn't you break these rules already?"


*Shrugs*

"That's for her to decide."

"..."

No Ojouggression: No Best Buddy shall harm each other Best Buddy's Ojou.

No Ojouggression Addendum: Any past hostilities may be excused with the offended Ojou's consent.

Informed Hostilities: Best Buddies shall not attack each other by surprise outside extreme circumstances.

Serious Business: Best Buddies shall not make fun of each other's esoteric pastimes.

Back to Back Buddies: Best Buddies always have each other's back in a fight, unless otherwise required by their respective Ojous.

Back to Back Buddies Addendum: In the extraordinary case a Best Buddy is separated from her Ojou in a time of distress, and that Buddy's Best Buddy is in a position to aid that Ojou, she must do so.

Ojous First: In the case a Best Buddy has pressing concerns regarding her Ojou, her Best Buddy must do everything in her power to help, be it in word or action.

My Ojou First: Each Best Buddy is free to assert the betternes, nicerness, and overall superiority of their respective Ojou in comparison to her Best Buddy's Ojou.

Your Ojou First: No Best Buddy is allowed to deny the Ojouness of their Ojou.

By accepting these rules, as signified by the signing of this document, the signees show their agreement to become Best Buddies.

Signed,
Sabrina
Kure Kirika​
 
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Guys.

What's the chance we're gaslighting ourselves into thinking Mami returns our affections?
I'm late to the party, but I just wanna stop in to clarify this: this isn't how gaslighting works. Gaslighting is a specific phenomena where your perception of reality is brute-forced into a certain shape, and your ability to figure out what's real is gone. It's not misinterpreting things; similarly, it's not delusion. What you mean to suggest is that Sabrina doesn't actually understand the situation but somehow, her brain is warping in such a way to make her think that no matter what. I haven't followed PMAS in a while but this is silly prima facie - the component that's critical here is that it's, mm... it's like undermining a house from having the foundation be shot to hell. Everything else is completely fucked. It's psychological trauma and that aspect is missing from this.

If you haven't already, I would advise you read over the link in the last update. It's accurate.

Source: I have experienced gaslighting. It is worse than it sounds.
 
Well...yes, but I really don't like the idea of Sayaka having a power that forces her to constantly put up a front around other people that hides her real feelings and--potentially--worse. It's fine if we make sure she copies a different power before she leaves the session, though.

She doesn't have to put up the front, far as we know. That's something Ono chose to do in front of us.
 
She doesn't have to put up the front, far as we know. That's something Ono chose to do in front of us.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Ono's behavior is a result of her personality (and possibly her wish, if it was a wish to always appear a certain way or something of the like), not of her power.

That said, what the hell even is Ono's power? Something to do with illusions, I assume, since she seems to be using it to maintain her appearance.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Ono's behavior is a result of her personality (and possibly her wish, if it was a wish to always appear a certain way or something of the like), not of her power.

That said, what the hell even is Ono's power? Something to do with illusions, I assume, since she seems to be using it to maintain her appearance.

??? [Cosmetic magic?]: Allows every action done by Ono Megane to look prim and proper. Even frantic, fearful movements become elegant and contemptuous. Lowers her life expectancy due to its seemingly permanent nature.

Now that's hilariously harsh!
Just writting it as I see it.

She's got the power to kill herself through magic consumption. :V

More seriously, she probably Wished to 'look' like all those 'high class' girls that, I assume, constantly put her down, at least in Ono's mind. Ono's just not up to Mitakihara's... level. Not in school smarts, not in basic living conditions... Mitakihara's standards are rather very high.

Kirika was in a similar place, but she Wished to mindwammy herself, so she kind of got a bit of an easy out. Not entirely, her relationship with her parents and school is still bad...
 
[x] make a chibi-Brina
-[x] if failure, put it out of its misery *bang*
"What the hell, Homura! I could have dissolved it with my Grief powers! Look at this mess..."

*Covered in chibi blood*

"I..."

"I think you traumatized Mami, too."

"I-I..."

"I'm glad you decided to join us, though."

*Hugs Mami and whispers reassurances*

"Really, I'm glad! ... Oops, I'm covered in blood now."

"Maybe... You should dissolve it?"

"... Don't tell me what to do."
 
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*facepalms*

I'm a fucking dumbass. Maybe. Somebody consider the outcomes of us asking Mami to google "gaslighting." I'm tired.
 
*facepalms*

I'm a fucking dumbass. Maybe. Somebody consider the outcomes of us asking Mami to google "gaslighting." I'm tired.
"What's google?"

"Well, it's..."

"Wait, you mean- Google, obviously some sort of search engine. Judging from how casually you verbalized its name, a popular one at that. But 'Google' doesn't exist in this world, and taking into account your Metabomb last night... You're an alien!"

*Gapes*

"L-like K-Kyuubey..."
 
"What's google?"

"Well, it's..."

"Wait, you mean- Google, obviously some sort of search engine. Judging from how casually you verbalized its name, a popular one at that. But 'Google' doesn't exist in this world, and taking into account your Metabomb last night... You're an alien!"

*Gapes*

"L-like K-Kyuubey..."
"Not a rock eh? OH NO, by process of elimination, IT'S A HUMAN!":p
 
Somebody consider the outcomes of us asking Mami to google "gaslighting." I'm tired.
The result of Googling "gaslighting"...
Article:
gas·light
ˈɡaslīt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
  1. manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
    "in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

...which is pretty much the definition that I've always heard for it.

Honestly, I've been trying to figure out why gaslighting was even brought up, and all I can come back to is that one could interpret Kyubey as "gaslighting" Mami, making her doubt herself and the validity of her beliefs, making her think that there's something wrong with her that drives away all her friends so that she'll put up with anything to keep the only one she has left....

"No, I'm a witch! ...Wait, that came out wrong."

Actually, I'm not sure if this has come up before, but when we consider the fact that Sabrina has the same perfect understanding of where her grief is that people have over their bodies, that the maximum range at which she can control it is the same as the maximum range at which a Soul Gem can control a body, and that Sayaka can't copy the power... does Sabrina's Soul Gem consider grief part of her body?
 
Honestly, I've been trying to figure out why gaslighting was even brought up, and all I can come back to is that one could interpret Kyubey as "gaslighting" Mami, making her doubt herself and the validity of her beliefs, making her think that there's something wrong with her that drives away all her friends so that she'll put up with anything to keep the only one she has left....

99% sure it was regarding the Finale bit, when we argued that our attack wasn't as impressive as Tiro Finale.
 
Yay, Homura-pleasing. Mom is traumatized too!

Reaffirming

[x] Redshirt Army

I feel like I'm missing context here. Probably because I'm way behind on the thread.
In the last update, Firn linked an article on self-gaslighting in AN. It mentioned stuff like "That feeling is wrong, you should ignore it" being wrong (which is by no means the whole of article, the topic being a completely new angle on a familiar word).

However, you also mentioned capacity for (self-forced?) self-change in Homu-home that seems somewhat relevant to the assertion.
As always, our better combat advantage is to know the enemy, because we have no way to avoid, say, an anti-gem no-clipping guided sniping shot from beyond our range.
Well, for this one in particular, we could put kinetic-energy inviolable shell centered around or gem (or heck, just a grief shield - used them to block car engines moving at...greater than normal city speed limit? We were above the rooftops).
But seriously, this time we get ready to immobilize and possible disarm everyone the second something goes out of control.
Perhaps we should ask Mami's help for that tbh, because Mami has constantly shown to be better than us at it.
Though if she's busy or unwilling, could grief/enchant up a reflex enhancer.
*facepalms*

I'm a fucking dumbass. Maybe. Somebody consider the outcomes of us asking Mami to google "gaslighting." I'm tired.
I've been told I'm a dumb too, but let me see.....

- Mami, of course, does as Sabrina asks - perhaps the computer isn't handy immediately, but she will.
So, few possibilities from this.

- Path A: Mami assumes Sabrina has amnesia, and tells her the definition. Then possibly asks about how it relates to the situation.

- Path B: Mami assumes Sabrina means something with it and ponders.

- Sabrina has been telling her about assertiveness and asking her opinion, at every turn respecting, and usually following it.
- Path BA: Actually, Sabrina has been quite yielding to everything she wants....Is this a bad sign?
- Path BB: Does this mean Sabrina is the one doing it? Has Mami been the one changing her perceptions of things?
- Path BC: Actually, someone else. Oriko or Homura, perhaps! Precog and time-stop make them in prime positions to mess with others.
- Path BD: There's a reason why Sabrina didn't talk about it. This is for thinking and it is dangerous to explain the surroundings due QB. Proceed to never mention it.

Going down the route of A might be better way to phrase that idea you had earlier, explaining it that we're worried about hurting her without thinking. So can ask, give her time to think and if she doesn't talk, talk ourselves over making dinner (or preparing for picnic).
 
The result of Googling "gaslighting"...
Article:
gas·light
ˈɡaslīt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
  1. manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
    "in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

...which is pretty much the definition that I've always heard for it.

Honestly, I've been trying to figure out why gaslighting was even brought up, and all I can come back to is that one could interpret Kyubey as "gaslighting" Mami, making her doubt herself and the validity of her beliefs, making her think that there's something wrong with her that drives away all her friends so that she'll put up with anything to keep the only one she has left....


"No, I'm a witch! ...Wait, that came out wrong."

Actually, I'm not sure if this has come up before, but when we consider the fact that Sabrina has the same perfect understanding of where her grief is that people have over their bodies, that the maximum range at which she can control it is the same as the maximum range at which a Soul Gem can control a body, and that Sayaka can't copy the power... does Sabrina's Soul Gem consider grief part of her body?

Witch = Moves body of Grief.
Sabrina = Moves body of Grief.

It is all coming together now...
 
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Vote tally:
##### 3.19
[x] GLOMP
No. of votes: 7

Jonen C, Aranfan, LendvaV, UbeOne, Torgamous, korat56, Higure

[x] Glomp both Mami and the chibi, so she doesn't feel left out
No. of votes: 2
Guilop, Always Late

[X] Sabrina.exe has encountered a critical cuteness error and needs to reboot.
[X]Squeeee
[X]Glomp both Mami
No. of votes: 2
thagguy, EvaUnit01

[X]while being very careful not to squash the chibi.
-[x] GLOMP
No. of votes: 1
Marcus.D.Basterd

[X] Redshirt Army
No. of votes: 14
Kaizuki, defenestrator, Shadows, Nele, AuraTwilight, mistfist, Dragontrapper, Yarudazuigu, Demojay, DB_Explorer, Gadjo, Sailor Midgard, aeqnai, Sereg

[X] GLOMP
-[X]Pick up and carry the Chibi!Mumi
--[X] Attempt to make a Chibi!Brina for Mami
No. of votes: 1
AramilOniasha

[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, Mami's showing me something. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing.
--[x] It's fine if you don't want her to copy your power. I completely understand. I was pretty nervous about the idea myself, and then in the end it wound up not working anyway.
---[x] Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
No. of votes: 1
The Narrator

[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, Sayaka not copying powers should be fine. Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time also. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
No. of votes: 2
TheEyes, QTesseract

[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, Sayaka not copying your power should be fine. Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
--[x] Actually, regarding Sayakas training... how good are you with paintball guns? Some ranged combat experience might be helpful for her...
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time also. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, Sayaka not copying your power should be fine. Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
--[x] Actually, regarding Sayakas training... how good are you with paintball guns? Some ranged combat experience might be helpful for her...
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time also. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
-[x] Should you try and make a chibi? You probably won't be able to look through it like Mami can without additional effort, but a chibi is its own reward. Consult with Mami on this.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
[x] Redshirt Army
No. of votes: 1
banjo2E

[X] Redshirt Army
[x]Redshirt Army
No. of votes: 2
Onmur, RexHeller

[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, consider coming anyhow? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and just being present at her training would help with that. You don't need to let her copy your power.
--[x] Speaking of which... how good are you with paintball guns? She's in need of some experience for when an enemy doesn't just let her close to melee. Again, if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing. It's your call.
[x] You'll use Mami's name, once you work out the issues. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time, though. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
-[x] Should you try and make a chibi? You probably won't be able to look through it like Mami can without additional effort, but a chibi is its own reward. Consult with Mami on this.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
No. of votes: 6
Redshirt Army, cmwatford, MrLZRS, TheFanficAddict, Godwinson, 'Lement

[x] make a chibi-Brina
-[x] if failure, put it out of its misery *bang*
No. of votes: 1
angelofwhim

Made a tally since reread the update, noticed
. Also, do remember to get back to the name for the laser attack. :p
And thought "hey, we didn't discuss this much - better check it's there" (it is).
 
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