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Caps is no.
Chill, Red. Mami would have survived, we can all admit that. But I think breaking our lunch routine is wrong, for a variety of reasons, one of which is, indeed, that it would hurt her. I think it's very much IC for Sabrina to be much more concerned about Mami's wellbeing than that of another random Meguca / potential -- she means a heckuva lot to us. I think the time spent at lunch was worth it. I think, frankly, that IC Sabrina weighing lunch with Mami & co. and an extra 30m trying to save Sasa had damn well better prefer lunch with Mami if she intends to stay sane for the next month. If we spend all our time saving people, we aren't doing things right. We're a Meguca too, and that means we are for saving.
1. Mami matters. That does not mean her lunch being perfect every day matters more than saving people.
The lunch was a complete waste even from a "will Mami be okay after this" POV because constant telepathy would seriously not have been all that different in its effect, and the only consolation was that it just resulted in some lost time rather than anything worse.
AuraTwilight
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Nitpick, if the Production Notes are taken as canon (And I don't see why they wouldn't be), Nagisa witched out pretty much the day she contracted, if not the hour.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
How long are we gonna make Kyouko wait? Five more minutes before we lift off, ten, fifteen?
Mumi sad.
Not a helluva lot?
Mumi sad.
Ideally, however long is necessary, with us adjusting our strategy if we need more than 15. If we can't do damage control for this moment/current situation in 10- honestly, the sensible approach wouldn't take more than 5- we've screwed up hilariously.How long are we gonna make Kyouko wait? Five more minutes before we lift off, ten, fifteen?
Not a helluva lot?
Mumi sad.
Another reason not to drop the magicbomb on Sasa right NOW because that is something that requires plenty of elaboration, wording, and suggestions to avoid a worse than canon outcome, especially with Sasa to who what people think of her and how they act around her matters more than almost anything.
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bird_poison
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That's an opinion, not a fact. Consider the differences between the two.
On a different note, I personaly don't find hypocrisy on attempting to solve the problems we know before solving the ones we don't. Sasa is a problem we know.
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We basically can't magicbomb her right now. It would just be so weird. She'd laugh us off until we demonstrated and right now we're in public.
There's another big reason to value Mami and Homura: in terms of broken combos, Sabrina+Homura+Mami means literally as many magical Tiro Finales in less than a second as you care to sit around in time stop and shoot. I'm thinking something like a Tiro Finale rotary cannon that puts out five hundred thousand shots in between one Time Stop and the next. That's something to carefully cultivate, quite aside from the whole "Mumi hugs" angle.
Your dismissive attitude towards other people was annoying, but at this point it's veering into personal attacks. Stop.
Not that the masquerade matters too much, but it'd be messy and pointless, yes.
Honestly, one thing to consider doing if a magicbomb is in the cards- and there are good reasons why it isn't automatically a yes not least of which is that she could wish WORSE than canon or make a wish and regret it after the fact given what we'd told her- then frankly the best way to do it is to tell her that we think there's vitally important info she should know and play up that SHE matters to us here.
In other words, act like she's the chosen one and we're the one with plot exposition for her for later, with just enough of a demonstration of magic to get her to take it seriously.
But that's apples and oranges. Mami's valued, yes. Naturally. She's useful, powerwise, as well? Sure, that's not up for debate. The thing is that one or two Mami hugs don't factor into actually making a real difference for HER- it's basically self-gratification for >LET'S HUG THE MUMI at the expense of actually doing things that DO make a real difference if done right instead of just neglected.
I'm saying his case doesn't hold water.
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Julian Bradshaw
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What if we did a vote where we actually make a motion to leave Sasa, and then see how she reacts?
If we detect any hint that she's not incredibly relieved to have us leave her alone, then we'll stay a bit or at least give her a way to contact us. Otherwise, we can just head on towards Kyouko. Sasa may well contract as a result, but we can't make her decisions for her, and there's no way she'll listen to us about magic at this point - we're more suspicious than Kyubey now, and rather less smooth-talking.
If we detect any hint that she's not incredibly relieved to have us leave her alone, then we'll stay a bit or at least give her a way to contact us. Otherwise, we can just head on towards Kyouko. Sasa may well contract as a result, but we can't make her decisions for her, and there's no way she'll listen to us about magic at this point - we're more suspicious than Kyubey now, and rather less smooth-talking.
1. It's Sasa. No matter how she felt, she'd likely pull the same thing. Sullenness. So better hope we're good at reading her expression...
2. We can however try and DETER her from making bad decisions. It'd be wrong not to, one way or another.
3. If we show her magic- theoretically- we'd likely have SOME credibility. Enough to make her suspicious of no-strings-attached. Enough to nudge her towards a potentially healthier wish if she still seems like she wants to do it, especially if we mention limitations or even tell her how her canon wish wouldn't work.
Hypothetically: "Someone wishing to...say, control everyone better than they are might just get...charm person to trick people, since that's such a broad wish that it kinda doesn't really go anywhere. I think, if you want to listen to advice, that you should just focus on what matters to you. What do you want, Sasa? Let me help you do it, if you do want to. Wishes always give you what you ask for, but it's not always worth it, especially if you don't ask for what you want above all else. but you have to make sure you wish for what really matters to you above all else. Who cares about those other people? I think that if you wish, you should focus on wishing for yourself. It's not something to rush, if you did decide it was worth the downsides."
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Torgamous
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Oh you did not just take Kyuubey's words at face value.
So it'll take some time. Let's dump ten minutes into that instead of more insisting on trying to become an apparently random girl's friend.
We fly around the city on wings of darkness all the time. The masquerade's already holding more despite our efforts than because of them.
And if you're that concerned, just don't go full Peter Pan. Levitating Sasa less than a casual observer would notice would still be a pretty big deal to her.
Anyway, I'm off until the next time I forget how conversations here go, so
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It's not just self-gratification, though: it's rebuilding Mami's self-esteem after Kyubey crushed it by saying that it's not really her friend, and that it's been using her the whole time just because she was a useful tool for it. We're rebuilding her by creating positive interactions, proving our intentions by willingly spending time with her when we don't have to, deliberately showing her that both Sabrina and her other friends value her.
If, in the middle of this rebuilding period (it's only been a week or so), we then blow her off in the middle of a lunch period, after saying we'll be right back, because well making time for her is important, but not quite important enough to keep our word and spend all of a lunch period with her, what do you honestly expect Mami's reaction to be? "Oh, sure, that's fine. You didn't need to keep your word to me; I'm sure that having an extra twenty minutes to talk to Random Potential #43,579 is more important; carry on." She might forgive us, sure, but it's just going to be another sliver of glass shoved into her perforated heart, and Mami just doesn't need that.
Thing is we've done that so much and in so many different ways that it really does seem like the real reason people won't sacrifice ONE instance for Sasa's sake is favoritism rather than actual planning.
The promise was an awful mistake and frankly Mami'd forgive us for apologizing for our poor wording.
One minor incident is not worth risking someone else's well being over. Full stop.
And Sayaka wasn't cursing the world in a way that we only saw from other girls in their last breaths?
"Let's ditch Sasa without making sure our first contact actually does something of value!"
Julian Bradshaw
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It'd be really easy for Kyubey to frame Sabrina as a power-hungry, superior girl who sees everyone else and their choices as beneath her. If we try to forcibly persuade her now, Kyubey might well get even a witchbombed Sasa to contract out of sheer spite.
DB_Explorer
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WAIT
PAUSE
TIME OUT
.....
OK
SO... we have met Sasa (yay...) there was a second girl mentioned by Homura when we went to handle this. So before we go any farther can someone help make a recap of todays general schedule and the current situation? Off the top of my head we need to be sure we
- Met Sasa
- Checked on second possible MG
- ... we're not leaving Mami alone at lunch are we?
- Meet Kyouko
PAUSE
TIME OUT
.....
OK
SO... we have met Sasa (yay...) there was a second girl mentioned by Homura when we went to handle this. So before we go any farther can someone help make a recap of todays general schedule and the current situation? Off the top of my head we need to be sure we
- Checked on second possible MG
- ... we're not leaving Mami alone at lunch are we?
- Meet Kyouko
Forcibly? Here's what I'd like to see covered if and when we do the magic infodump, and I'd rather we NOT do that right now instead of setting it up.
1. Lichbomb.
2. Witch fighting is a mess.
3. Even if Wishes seem worth those issues, here's how they often work and how they can go wrong...
I mean even if he poisons her against us, that knowledge isn't going away and will likely color her actions.
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LostDeviljho
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Vote Tally : Puella Magi Adfligo Systema | Page 3672 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.3.2
[X]"Nope. You're coming with me for ice cream...either that, or I'm going to get it and bring it back. So...do you want fresh ice cream in a nice place, or half melted ice cream here?"
[X]Follow through on that.
[X]Let her know we'll see her around.
[X]Go see Kyouko.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Catch up to her. "Uh, can I at least do something to make it up to you?"
-[X] If she says yes, ask what it is. If it's something reasonable, do it. If it's something unquestionably unreasonable, just leave. Politely. Or cooly. Or better, both.
-[X] If she says no, then proceed to withdraw cooly.
--[X] Either way, don't forget to say something like... "See you later." In a way that is not creepy. Or stalkery. Or murdery. Is that even a word? Whatever. Murdery sounds like a weirldy adorifying sound. Murderyderyderyderyderiiii~
---[X] Send a message to Kyouko, "Murder—I mean, sure. Uh, hey, can I introduce you to someone? Later, of course. She's a friend of mine; a new Meguca. If you don't mind... I've been planning to a Witch-Hunt with her as well. For, you know, get her used with this entire thing."
----[X] Head for the usual lunchspot. To see kyoko, that is.
No. of Votes: 1
[x]...Hey, um, sorry.
[x]Offer again. Don't push past that.
[x]Just, if you ever change your mind or you want someone to talk to or yell at or something, consider it a standing offer, okay? I'll stop bothering you now but please take my number?
[x]Talk to Kyoko when you're finished with Sasa, one way or another.
-[x]Let her know if by some miracle Sasa goes for it and you'd be delayed.
-[x]Um, yeah, sorry about that.
-[x]Be right there.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Cut Sasa off. Stand in front of her whenever she tries to turn away. If she tries to walk past you, just walk backwards so as to keep your distance. Just don't let Sasa ignore you.
[X] Ask her if she's sure.
-[X] If she isn't, ask her to consider your offer one more time.
--[X] If she accepts, great. Go buy that ice cream.
--[X] Tell Kyouko that you'll take more than a few minutes, sorry. You'll make haste, though.
-[X] If she is sure, apologize for bothering her, but your offer still stands. Give her your cellphone number and tell her to text you if she ever wants to meet again, in case she wants to hang out, chat, have ice cream, or anything. Maybe you can tell her about how you ended up as a kind of illegal inmigrant.
--[X] Say your goodbyes after you're done, go make sure nobody can see you, and fly to Kasamino, asking Kyouko for directions along the way.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Telepathy Kyouko that you'll be there soon.
[X] Apologize to Sasa for the trouble
-[X] Tell her to flag you down next time she see's you for that ice cream.
[X] Head over to Kyoko
[x] Plan to use the Mall to do routine shopping so Sasa can run into you again.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Kaizuki
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Plan to use the Mall to do routine shopping so Sasa can run into you again.
No. of Votes: 0
Total No. of Voters: 6
So we have no votes for the same thing, and one name vote for someone who hasn't voted.
##### NetTally 1.7.3.2
[X]"Nope. You're coming with me for ice cream...either that, or I'm going to get it and bring it back. So...do you want fresh ice cream in a nice place, or half melted ice cream here?"
[X]Follow through on that.
[X]Let her know we'll see her around.
[X]Go see Kyouko.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Catch up to her. "Uh, can I at least do something to make it up to you?"
-[X] If she says yes, ask what it is. If it's something reasonable, do it. If it's something unquestionably unreasonable, just leave. Politely. Or cooly. Or better, both.
-[X] If she says no, then proceed to withdraw cooly.
--[X] Either way, don't forget to say something like... "See you later." In a way that is not creepy. Or stalkery. Or murdery. Is that even a word? Whatever. Murdery sounds like a weirldy adorifying sound. Murderyderyderyderyderiiii~
---[X] Send a message to Kyouko, "Murder—I mean, sure. Uh, hey, can I introduce you to someone? Later, of course. She's a friend of mine; a new Meguca. If you don't mind... I've been planning to a Witch-Hunt with her as well. For, you know, get her used with this entire thing."
----[X] Head for the usual lunchspot. To see kyoko, that is.
No. of Votes: 1
[x]...Hey, um, sorry.
[x]Offer again. Don't push past that.
[x]Just, if you ever change your mind or you want someone to talk to or yell at or something, consider it a standing offer, okay? I'll stop bothering you now but please take my number?
[x]Talk to Kyoko when you're finished with Sasa, one way or another.
-[x]Let her know if by some miracle Sasa goes for it and you'd be delayed.
-[x]Um, yeah, sorry about that.
-[x]Be right there.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Cut Sasa off. Stand in front of her whenever she tries to turn away. If she tries to walk past you, just walk backwards so as to keep your distance. Just don't let Sasa ignore you.
[X] Ask her if she's sure.
-[X] If she isn't, ask her to consider your offer one more time.
--[X] If she accepts, great. Go buy that ice cream.
--[X] Tell Kyouko that you'll take more than a few minutes, sorry. You'll make haste, though.
-[X] If she is sure, apologize for bothering her, but your offer still stands. Give her your cellphone number and tell her to text you if she ever wants to meet again, in case she wants to hang out, chat, have ice cream, or anything. Maybe you can tell her about how you ended up as a kind of illegal inmigrant.
--[X] Say your goodbyes after you're done, go make sure nobody can see you, and fly to Kasamino, asking Kyouko for directions along the way.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Telepathy Kyouko that you'll be there soon.
[X] Apologize to Sasa for the trouble
-[X] Tell her to flag you down next time she see's you for that ice cream.
[X] Head over to Kyoko
[x] Plan to use the Mall to do routine shopping so Sasa can run into you again.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Kaizuki
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Plan to use the Mall to do routine shopping so Sasa can run into you again.
No. of Votes: 0
Total No. of Voters: 6
So we have no votes for the same thing, and one name vote for someone who hasn't voted.
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Lunch is over. Kyoko just contacted us to try and meet up. Reread the last few updates.
Looking at the votes...
[x] Ugolino
One last shot, and if it doesn't work we go talk to Koko instead. Sounds about right.
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LostDeviljho
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[x] DB_Explorer
And now there's a lead.
And now there's a lead.
@DB_Explorer
Giving Sasa orders will not end in happiness and ice cream. Worried about how the ice cream bit reads there.
But I do agree that we're essentially out of time for her here and now. The question there is a)do we rush a magicbomb, b)What CAN we do right now without screwing us over with everyone else?
Giving Sasa orders will not end in happiness and ice cream. Worried about how the ice cream bit reads there.
Note that Sasa will still be a problem for the near, near future if we do this. It's a foot in the door, not a "move on" vote.
But I do agree that we're essentially out of time for her here and now. The question there is a)do we rush a magicbomb, b)What CAN we do right now without screwing us over with everyone else?
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LostDeviljho
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If she doesn't want ice cream, she won't flag us down. It's not super complicated.
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Thing is I'm worried about this part of the vote wording:
Given who Sasa is, we need to be on eggshells about anything that comes over as superior or talking down to her, especially with the way she exploded at us last vote over...well. Wording.
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I agree that we should do something with Sasa later on, if only to make sure she doesn't contract to hurt us. I think tomorrow morning is free-ish, actually. The picnics not until 4:30, so I think we could free up a slot from ~11 to ~2 easily enough.