RexHeller
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"I-I mean we are?"
"..."
"... Royal we?"
"..."
"Look, can we do like with Mami and pretend this post chain- I mean chain of events didn't happen?"
"..."
"Because it's like suddenly all my dirty laundry is showing and it's really embarrasing and it'd really make me feel better if you didn't mind all this and we just moved on..."
"Fine."
"Really?"
"Yes."
Later that night:
Demosthenes
PhotoFop
- Location
- 'Murica
I thought that Sayaka wasn't always fated to contract, but if she did, she was always fated to die.
Julian Bradshaw
MSY Historian
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- Local Group
Argh, Onmur, you're dividing the stay-in-timestop vote...
[X] Onmur
Redshirt Army, lend us your power!
[X] Onmur
Redshirt Army, lend us your power!
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
So is the Sayaka invasion on or not?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I did switch my vote, because vote splitting is bad, but...
I'm actually kinda iffy on the "grief construct weapon" thing, really.
If it's a grief construct, then:
a) it logically shouldn't be able to do more damage to a grief based entity than our base power, since it's just grief mimicking an effect.
b) Mami can't copy it.
So the only way that it's even theoretically possible is with enchantment enhancement. However:
a) Just because we haven't found limits on what we can enchant with grief assistance doesn't mean there are no limits.
b) ...and anything we make that is powerful enough to challenge Walpurgis would probably be insanely difficult to reverse-engineer.
It's a possible future approach, but one that's shaky enough that I'd want more enchantment research before getting Homura's hopes up.
@Onmur
Maybe replace that section with something like:
[ ] If grief rending doesn't work out, we could always just try hitting Walpurgisnacht with as much energy as we can with suspended projectile attacks from timestop.
-[ ] Without magic use constraints, Mami could cue up a lot of Tiro Finales, and we can accelerate grief - and thus, any physical objects in contact with grief- to... well, as far as we can tell, to arbitrary speeds. If there is a speed limit, we haven't found it yet.
--[ ] And if there's any "equipment" that Homura thinks could be useful from outside Japan, we wouldn't be against providing international transport at supersonic speeds next time we go "shopping".
Look at my avatar and tell me.
I'm actually kinda iffy on the "grief construct weapon" thing, really.
If it's a grief construct, then:
a) it logically shouldn't be able to do more damage to a grief based entity than our base power, since it's just grief mimicking an effect.
b) Mami can't copy it.
So the only way that it's even theoretically possible is with enchantment enhancement. However:
a) Just because we haven't found limits on what we can enchant with grief assistance doesn't mean there are no limits.
b) ...and anything we make that is powerful enough to challenge Walpurgis would probably be insanely difficult to reverse-engineer.
It's a possible future approach, but one that's shaky enough that I'd want more enchantment research before getting Homura's hopes up.
@Onmur
Maybe replace that section with something like:
[ ] If grief rending doesn't work out, we could always just try hitting Walpurgisnacht with as much energy as we can with suspended projectile attacks from timestop.
-[ ] Without magic use constraints, Mami could cue up a lot of Tiro Finales, and we can accelerate grief - and thus, any physical objects in contact with grief- to... well, as far as we can tell, to arbitrary speeds. If there is a speed limit, we haven't found it yet.
--[ ] And if there's any "equipment" that Homura thinks could be useful from outside Japan, we wouldn't be against providing international transport at supersonic speeds next time we go "shopping".
Look at my avatar and tell me.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Mami copied one of our Grief constructs; the anti pain Ring. Otherwise, Oriko would be rocked right now.
Demosthenes
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- Location
- 'Murica
Hey guys, what if we try to get Homu to learn Black Wings of Corrosion? With that move, Walpurgisnacht becomes a joke.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The anti-pain ring she copied wasn't a grief construct, it was a grief-boosted enchantment.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Don't be pedantic.
If we make a super ultra Witch purifying gun with our powers and it works, Mami can make a real copy if we really want. It just takes an extra step and however long Mami takes to figure out the super shooting purifying whatever enchantmens.
Demosthenes
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- 'Murica
That's a pretty big assumption there, bucko; Mami wasn't sure she would even be able to enchant the last grief thing. We can give it a try, but she might not be able to do some things that our grief can. The two powers (magic and grief) are two different magic types, after all.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
And we're just throwing ideas past Homura. It's random chit chat, not a scientific project.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Yea, she probably can't, since she only demonstrates that power in a universe where her wish-magic has changed to protect an intangible concept. They're also implied to be an act of Madokami's direct divine intervention through her Soul Gem.
It's not pedantic, it's an entirely valid point. The grief-enhanced enchantment was just a bunch of shortcutting to make something resembling a full enchantment, which Mami was able to replicate with uncertain confidence. Grief has been observed to work differently from enchantment, and is full on "Fuck you I do what I want"-phlebtonium.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'll call Grief boosted enchantments 'Grief constructs' because that's what they are, constructs that are made with Grief in one way or another. Splitting hairs is pedantic.
Meaning we can try.
We should, probably, try to make some conceptual anti Grief weapon and, if it works, see if we can get Mami to replicate them.
If we don't want to mention it, that's fine. I contested the affirmation that Mami can't copy whatever theoretical gun we make, which is uncertain.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
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LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
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- Any
I've got a glasses Sayaka you can use.
Demosthenes
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- 'Murica
She could do it in Meduka Meguca Portable.
NO SRSLY GAIS. VIDYA GAEMS IS CANNON
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Isn't that just video game mechanics? Because if that is true, then Homura should be able to cast "Haste" and "Slow".
Demosthenes
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- 'Murica
Well, her time powers could maybe do something along the lines of haste and slow (though I'm not sure why you'd want to.)
As for game mechanics, yeah, probably. But it certainly doesn't hurt to try and analyze why that attack is so effective against Wall-Pierogis.
Slith10
Back from the dead and ready to party!
- Location
- New Zealand
*RPG*
'No, you are not allowed to move or complete an action, it's our turn now!'
*Walpurgis props half a building back up, stops moving*
'Good!'
Demosthenes
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- Location
- 'Murica
Which is all fine and good, until she realizes that the Meduka Portable sequel was a Beat-'em-up...
