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Madoka wasn't the only one whose powers increased with every timeline. Unfortunately, Sayaka's power wasn't the kind that Kyubey could handle harvest!
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Thing is that Oriko herself is STILL Oriko. That means saving the world, that means Kirika. That means lack of self-worth and feeling lost.
pantherasapiens
you were always my best friend
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And this is how we know that Kirika's devotion to Oriko is less than Homura's devotion to Madoka. If Kirika had really wanted to be the person Oriko needs, she'd have become a time-traveler dedicated to erasing all Oriko's suffering!
...Kirika is the reason for Oriko's suffering! She is (gasp) Feathers!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Yes, let's go tell this to Homura right now.
She'll feel happy for it, I'm sure...
Wait, I found out Oriko's plot!
Ono Megane was Kirika all along!
Wait, but I thought Oriko was the reason of Oriko's suffering.
... This is the perfect opportunity.
Does that mean Kirika is Oriko?
[Q] Don't hold back! Kill Kirika!
Who is also Ono Megane?
Now the Evil that is Ono Megane will cease to exist!
Who is also Feathers?
... I mean, Feathers. Feathers will cease to exist.
... Are we Feathers?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Mmm... non existant vote is currently tied with the other vote.
Does this mean Sabrina is stuck in indecision?
...
We could tell Kirika a little more. If not about threatening to Witch her out, telling her about our (shot down) plans to get Oriko out of the house and fighting some Witches.
Does this mean Sabrina is stuck in indecision?
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We could tell Kirika a little more. If not about threatening to Witch her out, telling her about our (shot down) plans to get Oriko out of the house and fighting some Witches.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
What do you mean? Obviously, 'Ugolino' would become the current course of action.
Like, if we vote 'Put on a maid outfit and make tea', Sabrina puts on a maid outfit and makes tea.
If we vote 'Ugolino', Sabrina 'Ugolino-es'.
It's that simple.
I'm stalling but I should have a vote up todayish.
]I...I just want her to believe that there's another, better way for things to go. She seems to feel that there's only one way for this to end, that it'd be better that way...and that isn't true. I was trying to get her to think about that.
[]Tell her about Oriko in that timeline.
[]Kirika...what matters is for you to just be there for her. Get her to see that there's a better way, that it doesn't have to be this way.
All WIP so far.
]I...I just want her to believe that there's another, better way for things to go. She seems to feel that there's only one way for this to end, that it'd be better that way...and that isn't true. I was trying to get her to think about that.
[]Tell her about Oriko in that timeline.
[]Kirika...what matters is for you to just be there for her. Get her to see that there's a better way, that it doesn't have to be this way.
All WIP so far.
I agree that the "meaning of Oriko's life" is to "save the world" (she has used those exact words) and that goal clearly includes Kirika. However, "save the world" is itself a rather vague goal. Based on Oriko's other comments, we can infer that she's primarily interested in preventing people from dying unnecessarily (note: this includes making sure that Kirika lives, but it does not include saving her own life). It appears that Oriko might be prioritizing saving other peoples' lives over her own life and over Kirika's happiness. This prioritization might be slightly different than in the other timeline. Or Oriko might be internally conflicted about that prioritization (hence the conflict that is causing her soul gem to have problems).
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Consolidating ideas... The turning point in Symmetry Diamond was Oriko admitting to herself she had no responsability to the father who abandoned and caused her life to becoma what it was. That she could live for herself, even if everybody hated her she still deserved to live, to have a good life. More than deserved, she had a responsability to herself to try and live a good life.
[X] If you want the short version... What does your Wish tell you?
-[X] (Get an answer).
-[X] Whatever Kirika's Wish tells her Oriko needs... Oriko needs to realize it herself.
[X] The long of it... Oriko wants to believe she deserves better. Wants to believe she can live her own life for her own sake, and that she doesn't owe her owe life to anybody, and even less to those who've harmed and hated her... but she can't. Unfair as it is, Oriko does blame herself for her... father's actions.
-[X] The other Oriko saved one life. Not the World, not the city, but just one life of one little girl who was in a horrible situation, who hated herself, who didn't want to be hated... a girl in a situation much like Oriko's... and she did it through words. In order to save that girl, she had to admit to herself that she deserved... no, that she had the responsability to try and live better, to reach out for help, and not accept the hate others tried to pile on her...
-[X] So she did. She realized she didn't have to hate herself for her father's actions, nor should she accept his blame for herself, no matter how much society tried to pin it on her... And she learned to really appreciate what she had... who she had. She realized she had somebody who was wonderful to her, and that she both deserved and should accept that person.
-[X] (Meaningful glance).
[X] There was no need for a Magical Wish to show her a magical answer. Oriko's life had... has meaning for it's own sake.
[X] If you want the short version... What does your Wish tell you?
-[X] (Get an answer).
-[X] Whatever Kirika's Wish tells her Oriko needs... Oriko needs to realize it herself.
[X] The long of it... Oriko wants to believe she deserves better. Wants to believe she can live her own life for her own sake, and that she doesn't owe her owe life to anybody, and even less to those who've harmed and hated her... but she can't. Unfair as it is, Oriko does blame herself for her... father's actions.
-[X] The other Oriko saved one life. Not the World, not the city, but just one life of one little girl who was in a horrible situation, who hated herself, who didn't want to be hated... a girl in a situation much like Oriko's... and she did it through words. In order to save that girl, she had to admit to herself that she deserved... no, that she had the responsability to try and live better, to reach out for help, and not accept the hate others tried to pile on her...
-[X] So she did. She realized she didn't have to hate herself for her father's actions, nor should she accept his blame for herself, no matter how much society tried to pin it on her... And she learned to really appreciate what she had... who she had. She realized she had somebody who was wonderful to her, and that she both deserved and should accept that person.
-[X] (Meaningful glance).
[X] There was no need for a Magical Wish to show her a magical answer. Oriko's life had... has meaning for it's own sake.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Her Wish guided her into a situation where she'd realize her own meaning.
It showed her Yuma's death.
But she had to realize her meaning and accept it by herself.
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Just don't focus too much on SD, again. This Oriko isn't that one. She has different fears and priorities. Even if they are really similar. It would be like comparing her to the one who went psycho and killed off an entire school. I would recommend focusing on what they have in common like their love for Kirika and their past, with all the issues that entails.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm going to have to take your word for it. I haven't read the Oriko mangas yet. Couldn't find most of them, and some of the art just looked really ugly to me.
I just looked at the wikis which isn't really enough.And I think that you should just outright state what you're implying about Kirka's importance to Oriko. Playing all cryptic about this is getting increasingly annoying. We could barely justify it with just Oriko, imo.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
The bluntest I could put it is:I'm going to have to take your word for it. I haven't read the Oriko mangas yet. Couldn't find most of them, and some of the art just looked really ugly to me.
And I think that you should just outright state what you're implying about Kirka's importance to Oriko. Playing all cryptic about this is getting increasingly annoying. We could barely justify it with just Oriko, imo.
[X] Oriko wants to believe she doesn't deserve her father's blame, nor all the hate people's been piling on her. She wants to believe she deserves and should live a good life, that it's OK to reach out for help... for love.
-[X] Kirika knows what Oriko needs... but Oriko can't quite get herself to believe she deserves it. If she could get any proof people can live for their own sake, that she doesn't need to validate other people's hate in order to have meaning... then she could accept Kirika's love fully, and be happy with that.
Blunt.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
If you read that scene, it's pretty clear Oriko's half talking to Yuma and half talking to herself.
Oriko's trying to help people right now, but it doesn't help her because she's doing it partially out of guilt.
Kirika is a huge plus to Oriko, but not her meaning. Oriko's life has meaning on its own, and what Oriko did was realize that. She wanted to rid herself of the guilt and the hate of the people, but couldn't until she admitted those same feelings to Yuma, saving her, and validating her own feelings.
After finding her own meaning, she could then accept Kirika's love fully, but to say Kirika was Oriko's life's meaning would be wrong.
Oriko already has and loves Kirika. Symmetry Oriko did, too. But neither of them could make peace with themselves that easily.
Muramasa
Best Girl
It doesn't work that way.
First, if people have already made a vote bandwagoning for someone, that means they trust that persons judgement for the next update.
Second, you do not speak for someone else's vote.
Slith10
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People should still not vote for a vote that doesn't exist yet, if they want to vote for someone, they should wait until the vote is made and then read it.
I likely should have phrased it a different way but when it seems people are going '___ is smart, I'll vote for them now and come back after the next update.' things will be missed.
...I know I don't speak for someone else, why would you even say that?
Votes shouldn't be counted until they 'exist'.
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