- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
*adjusts hipster attire*
I did it before it was cool.
More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if QB got a girl every few years making that wish.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
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*adjusts hipster attire*
I did it before it was cool.
More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if QB got a girl every few years making that wish.
PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
I doubt it. I don't believe you can make a wish unintentionally in the PMMM universe.
No matter how darkly humorous it would be...
This mortal coil pt. 26
You blink, thinking about that for a moment. "I need to figure out own enchantment," you say, savouring the mashed potato. "I want to be able to understand what goes into an enchantment, or a Soul Gem."
Mami nods. "That sounds like a good idea," she agrees.
"Yeah... Maybe you'll be able to see what's wrong?" Kirika says, smiling hopefully. She gives the little pile of polished bones in front of her a mournful look.
"Hopefully," you agree, watching in amusement as Oriko shares half of the breaded skin she'd peeled off the chicken with Kirika. The black haired girl immediately brightens, scooting a little closer to Oriko.
"Ah, Sabrina," Mami says, smiling at you. "Could you pass the coleslaw and mashed potato?"
"Sure," you agree, doing just that. Dinner finishes in amiable silence, most of the discussion having burnt itself out, and you all wash your hands, Kirika getting lightly smacked by Oriko for flicking her hands dry on the floor.
You head down to the living room, illuminated by the warm sunlight tones of fluorescent bulbs. You all settle into the rich leather sofas, Kirika collecting some rocks from outside and dumping them on the table.
"Alright," you say, smiling as Mami sits beside you and curls against your side. "Let's get started. Ah, Mami, could you enchant something for me to practice on first? I'll make you the Grief boosted enchantment. Uh, general warning for the Witch-y feel again."
Mami nods, reaching out just far enough to snag one of the river-smoothed rocks and holding it between both hands. She exhales, face turning blank as she focuses on the enchantment, her palms lighting up with a golden glow.
Kirika and Oriko are cuddled into each other on the other sofa, both of them getting started on their own enchantments.
You call a blob of Grief to you, a small sphere zooming in through the open window. You catch it, and focus your will upon it. What was it you'd wanted last time? Enhancement of enchantment control. You bend your will upon the Grief, metaphorically moulding and twisting at it-
-and it's done, a plain bracelet of seemingly steel, gleaming in your palm. It hums in your senses, and out of the corner of your eye, you catch Mami's look. You give her a reassuring smile, flipping the bracelet into your other hand so that you can give Mami a one-armed hug.
She relaxes, smiling at you.
"Right," you murmur, slipping the bracelet on and selecting another of those smoothed rocks from the small pile on the table. You'd make a ring, but you don't have a normal ring to work with. So a rock it is, then.
You exhale slowly, holding the rock on the flat of your palm. You know what you want -pain blocking- so you simply pour magic from the palm, letting your intention and the bracelet guide the formation. Grief wicks into the winding traceries of magic, giving the enchantment a speckled appearance to your mind's eye.
"Here we are," you say, holding it out to Mami. Absently, you dissolve the bracelet rather than keep it around - the Witchy sensation's probably a distraction.
"And here you are," Mami says, taking the rock and handing you another in exchange. This one's formed into a smooth sphere. Golden fire blooms across its surface at your touch, light spreading in rippling circles. "Magical reinforcement," she adds.
"Thank you, Mami," you say, taking the rock with a smile. She ducks her head, smiling back at you.
On the other sofa, Kirika's concentrating hard, her tongue poking out of her mouth as she directs a frown at the rock in her hand. Oriko, on the other hand, is slowly turning her rock over between her palms, magic flickering in fitful little starts.
To work, then. You want to learn to analyse magic more thoroughly. Trying to do it with Grief didn't quite work, the last time you'd tried it. And that had been odd, too. It had felt like it was... somehow out of reach, and just out of reach, at that.
You chew on your lip as you contemplate that. Shouldn't Grief transmutation be incredibly versatile, capable of nearly anything? It is what Witches use to build their Barriers and their very forms. So why would this be out of reach?
You need to think about it. For now, though... You exhale, turning your attention to the rock and peering into it with your senses. Magical traceries wind across the surface of the magic. You spend a while examining those twisting streaks of magic, trying to discern some pattern to the way they're structured and the way they flicker and glow in response to touching the stone.
Not really much to be found there, though you do note that the magic has a distinct sensation to it, warm and gentle while wrapped around an inner core of cast iron.
Reminds you of Mami, really. Which makes you think of Mami in glasses, for some reason, and that mental image is alarmingly adorable. Hm. And speaking of Mami, she does have that test tomorrow... tsk. You need to do something about that. Back to the topic at hand...
Magic is odd, on your senses, a sort of like-yet-not-like resonance to your self. You feel like you could mould it, twist it like you do with grief, but when you reach for it, it's oddly far away and yet paradoxically still within reach.
And if you look at your own Soul Gem... it is, in many ways, the absolute opposite to a Grief Seed. If a Grief Seed is absolutely packed with Grief, then your Soul Gem overflows with magic. It would be blinding, an absolute nova, if you were looking at it with your physical eyes.
And in the centre, the one similarity. That one abyssal speck of Gried that you instinctively shy away from looking at too closely.
You chew on your lip. Magic and Grief.
Despair and hope.
That's not really a new realisation, you suppose.
[] Write-in
Hmmmm.
Mami nods. "That sounds like a good idea," she agrees.
"Yeah... Maybe you'll be able to see what's wrong?" Kirika says, smiling hopefully. She gives the little pile of polished bones in front of her a mournful look.
"Hopefully," you agree, watching in amusement as Oriko shares half of the breaded skin she'd peeled off the chicken with Kirika. The black haired girl immediately brightens, scooting a little closer to Oriko.
"Ah, Sabrina," Mami says, smiling at you. "Could you pass the coleslaw and mashed potato?"
"Sure," you agree, doing just that. Dinner finishes in amiable silence, most of the discussion having burnt itself out, and you all wash your hands, Kirika getting lightly smacked by Oriko for flicking her hands dry on the floor.
You head down to the living room, illuminated by the warm sunlight tones of fluorescent bulbs. You all settle into the rich leather sofas, Kirika collecting some rocks from outside and dumping them on the table.
"Alright," you say, smiling as Mami sits beside you and curls against your side. "Let's get started. Ah, Mami, could you enchant something for me to practice on first? I'll make you the Grief boosted enchantment. Uh, general warning for the Witch-y feel again."
Mami nods, reaching out just far enough to snag one of the river-smoothed rocks and holding it between both hands. She exhales, face turning blank as she focuses on the enchantment, her palms lighting up with a golden glow.
Kirika and Oriko are cuddled into each other on the other sofa, both of them getting started on their own enchantments.
You call a blob of Grief to you, a small sphere zooming in through the open window. You catch it, and focus your will upon it. What was it you'd wanted last time? Enhancement of enchantment control. You bend your will upon the Grief, metaphorically moulding and twisting at it-
-and it's done, a plain bracelet of seemingly steel, gleaming in your palm. It hums in your senses, and out of the corner of your eye, you catch Mami's look. You give her a reassuring smile, flipping the bracelet into your other hand so that you can give Mami a one-armed hug.
She relaxes, smiling at you.
"Right," you murmur, slipping the bracelet on and selecting another of those smoothed rocks from the small pile on the table. You'd make a ring, but you don't have a normal ring to work with. So a rock it is, then.
You exhale slowly, holding the rock on the flat of your palm. You know what you want -pain blocking- so you simply pour magic from the palm, letting your intention and the bracelet guide the formation. Grief wicks into the winding traceries of magic, giving the enchantment a speckled appearance to your mind's eye.
"Here we are," you say, holding it out to Mami. Absently, you dissolve the bracelet rather than keep it around - the Witchy sensation's probably a distraction.
"And here you are," Mami says, taking the rock and handing you another in exchange. This one's formed into a smooth sphere. Golden fire blooms across its surface at your touch, light spreading in rippling circles. "Magical reinforcement," she adds.
"Thank you, Mami," you say, taking the rock with a smile. She ducks her head, smiling back at you.
On the other sofa, Kirika's concentrating hard, her tongue poking out of her mouth as she directs a frown at the rock in her hand. Oriko, on the other hand, is slowly turning her rock over between her palms, magic flickering in fitful little starts.
To work, then. You want to learn to analyse magic more thoroughly. Trying to do it with Grief didn't quite work, the last time you'd tried it. And that had been odd, too. It had felt like it was... somehow out of reach, and just out of reach, at that.
You chew on your lip as you contemplate that. Shouldn't Grief transmutation be incredibly versatile, capable of nearly anything? It is what Witches use to build their Barriers and their very forms. So why would this be out of reach?
You need to think about it. For now, though... You exhale, turning your attention to the rock and peering into it with your senses. Magical traceries wind across the surface of the magic. You spend a while examining those twisting streaks of magic, trying to discern some pattern to the way they're structured and the way they flicker and glow in response to touching the stone.
Not really much to be found there, though you do note that the magic has a distinct sensation to it, warm and gentle while wrapped around an inner core of cast iron.
Reminds you of Mami, really. Which makes you think of Mami in glasses, for some reason, and that mental image is alarmingly adorable. Hm. And speaking of Mami, she does have that test tomorrow... tsk. You need to do something about that. Back to the topic at hand...
Magic is odd, on your senses, a sort of like-yet-not-like resonance to your self. You feel like you could mould it, twist it like you do with grief, but when you reach for it, it's oddly far away and yet paradoxically still within reach.
And if you look at your own Soul Gem... it is, in many ways, the absolute opposite to a Grief Seed. If a Grief Seed is absolutely packed with Grief, then your Soul Gem overflows with magic. It would be blinding, an absolute nova, if you were looking at it with your physical eyes.
And in the centre, the one similarity. That one abyssal speck of Gried that you instinctively shy away from looking at too closely.
You chew on your lip. Magic and Grief.
Despair and hope.
That's not really a new realisation, you suppose.
[] Write-in
[X] While you practice, remind Oriko that in order to test Kirika's AM enchantment, she'll need to let go of the ring for a moment. She should tell us as soon as she's ready.
[X] Whenever you feel tired, telepathy Masami and Hiroko.
-[X] How many Christmas baskets do you owe them for their help?
-[X] Ask how did their meeting go.
-[X] Also how's the Grief Seed working.
-[X] Also if they need anything from you.
[X] If you need another break during practice, try to Grief up an informational pamphlet about Oriko's Soul issue. Grief warning.
[X] Whenever you feel tired, telepathy Masami and Hiroko.
-[X] How many Christmas baskets do you owe them for their help?
-[X] Ask how did their meeting go.
-[X] Also how's the Grief Seed working.
-[X] Also if they need anything from you.
[X] If you need another break during practice, try to Grief up an informational pamphlet about Oriko's Soul issue. Grief warning.
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Hmmmm.
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Firnagzen said:
Every time Firn puts up a quote like this, I can't help but think he wants us to think more about how and why our powers work.
We're really not going to know what'll be useful until after we try it...
... Anyway.
[X] Continue vote in abeyance.
Aside from that, I'll go reread the other experiment...
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
You know, I wonder if Magic is hope, in the sense of Dreams that Come True, and Grief is just despair, in the sense of Dreams that Shatter. Couldn't you say that since magical girls make wishes, that the nature of magic must stem from the notion of wanting and desiring things? It's hoping that something will occur, and that it will do what you want. And similarly, we would say that the nature of grief must stem from the impossibility of what is wanted. A brutal reality that forces itself upon you, despite everything you wish and hope would happen.
I mean, when Sabrina uses grief, she basically goes "this is happening now", right? It's a will being imposed, not being granted. Maybe that's the difference between using Magic and using Grief, and that the key to enchanting is, instead of making something happen, to ask for it.
Dunno, I might also just be spouting crazy talk.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ah, any bright ideas?
'So close, yet so far', sounds like we could do anything, but are missing something. The right method, obviously...
.
It seems the Grief enchantment persists without the Bracelet guide, and it doesn't feel witchy.
So, we're pretty much free to make ourselves sense enhancers, plasma shields, whatever we feel like, as long as we keep 'em around. So, no more complains about not being completely invulnerable because we can be sniped. Yay?
'So close, yet so far', sounds like we could do anything, but are missing something. The right method, obviously...
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It seems the Grief enchantment persists without the Bracelet guide, and it doesn't feel witchy.
So, we're pretty much free to make ourselves sense enhancers, plasma shields, whatever we feel like, as long as we keep 'em around. So, no more complains about not being completely invulnerable because we can be sniped. Yay?
Muramasa
Best Girl
That maybe a very big hint for dewitching.
Alright, so there is no clear pattern in magically enchanted items. We were only able to sense the 'essence' of an enchantment I suppose.
Or Grief could also be the dream twisted into a nightmare, the way a witch still reflects some of the aspects of the magical girl's wish.
Y'know, if we're not doing anything with the Yakuza gold anytime soon, we could just pull out some chunks of them and mold them into rings.
Might make as better conductor for magic compared to rocks. And if nothing else, the reaction of Kirika slipping a ring (and it's gold this time) on Oriko's finger would be hilariously adorable.
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Sure, but that theory lacks unity with the notion of Hope. A dream twisted into a nightmare implies some sort of outside force making you fail, which negates the notion of Hope entirely. Isn't hope something that you have even when you have no guarantee of success? When the reasonable thing is to settle for less, because it's more likely to happen? If indeed, Grief is just a twisted dream, then that implies that things Hoped for will always succeed unless acted on by an outside force. And so, these things cease to be hoped for, but instead things guaranteed.
Furthermore, it reflects a more insidious notion: "it would have worked, if it wasn't for <Unexpected Thing>." That's a very problematic on a few levels, most of which I will not discuss for now. In terms of PMAS, that goes against the grain of many of the arcs we've seen so far. The results of Masami's Healing and the Sendai Arc are both the result, explicitly, of Sabrina's actions overcoming multiple obstacles and pushing past the things that prevent the ending she wanted. There was no surprise "gotcha!" moment. Just about everything possible was accounted for by the Thread and by the Story. Everything that's happened, Sabrina has forged with her own two hands. If Hope really is a certainty that must occur, and if Grief really is just a twist (or three) that makes things fall apart, then what was the point of Sabrina's successes? They have no meaning, no significance, and don't matter. They were going to happen regardless of what Sabrina or Masami or Akiko or Sakura did. What then, was the point of the quest? Busy work to see the golden ending? If that's the case, then why is everybody here? Are Oriko and Kirika being cute really such a big deal that you're willing to stress yourself out arguing with others about things?
Rei of Sunshine
I walk through walls, I float down the Liffey
- Location
- Australia
How? We have no way to do that though.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
*shrug* I dunno. Just trying to stuff magic in will probably not work, but is worth trying just in case and for what we might learn in the process.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Muramasa
Best Girl
@Crasian01
Is this what you had in mind for your theory?
[x] Try your own magic reinforcement enchant.
-[x] Theory: Enchantment works on what you want however it's not about imposing your will, but to ask for something in hope it'll be granted. Kinda like wishing.
[x] Does this work? Or does it work any better?
-[x] If yes: (As applies) Keep working on the enchant until success. Tell the others how you did it. Move on to making an anti-pain enchant.
-[x] If no: Continue vote held in abeyance.
Is this what you had in mind for your theory?
[x] Try your own magic reinforcement enchant.
-[x] Theory: Enchantment works on what you want however it's not about imposing your will, but to ask for something in hope it'll be granted. Kinda like wishing.
[x] Does this work? Or does it work any better?
-[x] If yes: (As applies) Keep working on the enchant until success. Tell the others how you did it. Move on to making an anti-pain enchant.
-[x] If no: Continue vote held in abeyance.
Maybe we have to make the witch hope again.
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
What do you mean? Especially about the wishful thinking.
Rei of Sunshine
I walk through walls, I float down the Liffey
- Location
- Australia
Hey, we've got to at least try, we're at a point where we need to keep trying things til something sticks.
[x]Muramasa
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Well, you know, we have made a Wish once. If Sabrina can put aside the pain of Soul mutilation and remember how her Wish felt as it became Magic, she could try to translate that feeling into her enchantment?
We could start from our Wish and go from there:
Control Grief -> Control... This rock.
On this rock, build our church to Madokami.
We could start from our Wish and go from there:
Control Grief -> Control... This rock.
On this rock, build our church to Madokami.
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