Sereg said:
Yes. What I say is conjecture. What I don't get is how what I claim is conjecture, but what you claim isn't.
Well, I was admitting that I couldn't argue that particular point because it'd be conjecture for both of us.
Not having much emotional capacity is not the same as being completely emotionless.
It does in the bugs example. They're barely conscious at all.
We have lust because of genetic instinct. That's how the instinct operates. If the last step in the process doesn't work, then using the first step in the process as an explanation doesn't hold.
Instinct is why we have emotions. Instinct isn't an explanation unless you can come up with a way other than emotions for the instinct to operate. Actions happen because of three proximal causes:
1. Because we decide that it's a good idea
2. Because it's an emotional response
3. Because it's a reflex action as an automatic response to a stimulus that doesn't involve the brain at all.
Instinct is a less proximal cause, but for it to work it needs to be channeled through one of these three unless you can come up with a fourth proximal cause.
If we are emotionless, 2 isn't an option. I don't see how 1 would result in reproduction in a sexually reproducing species and sex is simply far too complicated an action for me to consider 3 a possibility.
All of this can be disregarded in a setting where souls exist, emotions are synonymous with magic, and humans are eldritch abominations waiting to be tapped by Incubators who dug too deep.
But he doesn't show that all the time, so there's no reason to believe that he finds wraiths any less surprising than Soul Gems.
Literally his entire Madokami-verse characterization is "Boy we don't understand why Soul Gems disappear, it'd be way more efficient if they didn't."
The difference is that I don't believe there is a negative energy radiation that can be fed on in the witchverse. I believe that they fed on humans directly and there is nothing in the atmosphere for them to feed on.
Sigh. It exists in Wraith-verse and we know grief exists in the atmosphere in Firn-verse.
Madokami said to Sayaka herself that she is fully capable of picking and choosing. She told Sayaka that she could have easily rewritten reality to save her life and decided not to.
She COULD have saved Sayaka by erasing the hope she created. The implication is that she's talking about making a different wish.
She also mind-whammies meguca (who still exist) right?
Yes, but Oriko Magica makes it clear that other Meguca are no problem for Kirika, and Sasa's mind control on non-witches is EXTREMELY shitty.
Also, I may be wrong (I really suck at working this stuff out) but your last few posts make you seem angry. I'm sorry if I have angered you.
I'm not angry, just sort of annoyed by pedantic nitpicking when the other person hasn't read the material I'm citing for my point.
o3o said:
Having not read the Kazumi Manga - did they have grief seeds and barriers and whatnot from the beginning? Or did they have soul gems and witch out normally?
They have a Soul Gem that has points and shit like a Grief Seed, and once self-aware, Kazumi was capable of making barriers and shit, and her body started losing it's human facade.
landcollector said:
That seems to be quite strange in the limits. She can fuck with the Incubators' grief seed system and bring back the dead, but she can't heal violin dude's hand while keeping Sayaka alive/non-contracted (a much simpler task imo)? Doesn't mesh to me.
Makes sense. She changed one thing about causality but otherwise has no influence. As for bringing back the dead, technically she didn't do that; they were ghosts inside of a dream, cut off from the rest of the universe's cycle of karma.
It's also implied by Rebellion and Mami's EP12 comments that Madoka is entering Soul Gems and defeating unborn witches just like we saw.
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POST-UPDATE THINGS
Dammit Madoka, shut the fuck up and volunteer at a soup kitchen holy shit.
No wait, make her look into muggle shit like finding affordable or abandoned housings and shit. Tell her we'll pay for it, but she can help make arrangements.
I'm also in favor of telling Madoka what the fuuuuck is up, sans certain meta-bombs.
@Roxanne: We need to befriend this bitch pronto.
[x] "Actually, Madoka, there are a couple of things..."
-[x] Avoid Homura's glare.
--[x] Explain to Madoka that, as magical girls, the group (Mami, Homura, and Sayaka) need to avoid darker emotions, to avoid accumulating excess grief whenever you're not around. Sure, things probably won't get bad really quickly, but it can happen, and it's a risk we don't want to expose our friends to.
---[x] Ask Madoka if she can keep an eye on the girls as a kind of "Mental Health Officer" to help keep their spirits up. It's not something a magical girl can safely do, because cheering people up can be draining by itself - you're sure she's felt as much, with as good at comforting people as she is. There's nobody better suited to the task - she can make Homura smile!
----[x] Homura, shush, you saw it, it's no use denying it!
-[x] "Second, would your mom know how we could buy some property? I don't think any of us would even know where to start with that, but she might, and if we're going to be getting immigrants it would be a lot easier if they could stay in one place where they can all be cleansed in one go."
--[x] "You know your mom best Madoka, how do you think she'd take the whole magical girl thing?"
