1. Preventing all future contracts
I don't know about the rest of you but I don't want this. Until Gretchen the Puella system seems to have been a net positive for humanity. I just want to get rid of witches and incentivize coobs to not be such an ass.

Besides, once we get rid of witches all of that negativity has to go somewhere, wraiths in cannon. We're going to need more puella over the years. Especially once we start moving off planet.
 
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I'm all for just "Make sure people know exactly what they're getting into and prevent all stupid contracts."
 
Okay so here's the highlight reel of everything wrong with your last post, Sereg.
1. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure we can assume they have range limitations.
2. Us needing to break the system doesn't mean Firn will hand the answers to our every problem to us on a silver platter the way you seem to expect him to.
3. No, a goal of "Save the universe" is silly as a bare minimum acceptable success. Save the planet however is not.
4. Travel was a result of necessity, not random HERP DERP SCIENCE SESSIONS if I remember correctly. It falls under "do science where the situation makes it necessary"...and we could have lived without it if we needed to.
5. Preventing all contracts where possible is a good starting point since in all but one case in one timeline canonically, things would have been better off without a contract.
 
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3. No, a goal of "Save the universe" is silly as a bare minimum acceptable success. Save the planet however is not.

For the most part I agree with this post, but Sereg's point here is fairly valid. Madokami fixed things on a multiversal scale. Unless we can make this one universe good enough to justify denying that future, we did kind of fuck up. A single planet is too small, and is only an acceptable end goal because of your own personal empathy towards it and lack thereof toward alien worlds.

I mean, it's a matter of personal investment, yea. But if you're trying to engage things in a sort of 'objective consequentialist sense' like Sereg instead of making things better for the people we personally care about, his point holds up.
 
We can't replicate Madokami's wish and nor should we given the ending of Rebellion. I'd say a planetary success is better than that kind of universal change.
 
Orrr we can just do Madokami-level improvements without Child of Omelas bullshit. That was really what caused Rebellion to go apeshit.
 
The thing is the Child of Omelas bullshit is tied into it being Madoka which is because her potential at that point was far, far beyond ours. We might barely be in the same weight glass in terms of our witch but that shit's exponential.
 
My personal end goal is the cannon ending but with Sabrinakami instead of Madokami and more living puella. We'd have to make sure to take Mami with us though.
 
If we legitimately can't succeed at breaking the system, no matter what we do, there's always the option of Madoka making a multi-clause lawyer wish with us/a team of literally the best lawyers in existence providing the wording.
 
Yes, and...? Go big or go home.
The thing is as when talking bare minimum success, it's more like "global meguca community and happy Mumi" and less "UNIVERSE OR BUST".

If we legitimately can't succeed at breaking the system, no matter what we do, there's always the option of Madoka making a multi-clause lawyer wish with us/a team of literally the best lawyers in existence providing the wording.
Madoka wishing is not a safe approach to try, and I'm pretty sure that'd fall under "that's not how wishes work, you need to feel them"
 
Hey guys, sorry to break topic slightly, but who wants to play the 8 melodies on our grief instruments to Mami?
 
Madoka wishing is not a safe approach to try, and I'm pretty sure that'd fall under "that's not how wishes work, you need to feel them"
If we legitimately can't succeed at breaking the system, no matter what we do

Also implying that, for instance, the founding fathers didn't believe in the Declaration of Independence with all of their hearts. Madoka wants to do ALL THE HELPING, so a document that does all of the helping would be quite within what she can want with all of her heart.
 
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