Okay so here's the highlight reel of everything wrong with your last post, Sereg.
1. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure we can assume they have range limitations.
I don't. I've been wondering if Sakura's our opportunity for interplanetary travel.
2. Us needing to break the system doesn't mean Firn will hand the answers to our every problem to us on a silver platter the way you seem to expect him to.
I expect us to have the tools to actually break the system. Nothing we have so far can do that, so that means we haven't found all our tools yet.
3. No, a goal of "Save the universe" is silly as a bare minimum acceptable success. Save the planet however is not.
Then we've done infinitely worse than canon. We certainly haven't broken the system at all. Sorry, but that's not what we were promised.
We can't replicate Madokami's wish and nor should we given the ending of Rebellion. I'd say a planetary success is better than that kind of universal change.
Disagreed. (Again, Rebellion is impossible if it's not part of Madoka's plan)
The thing is the Child of Omelas bullshit is tied into it being Madoka which is because her potential at that point was far, far beyond ours. We might barely be in the same weight glass in terms of our witch but that shit's exponential.
It's also far beyond Homura's. Homura managed. We can too.
Go home. Win. Properly. Work from there. One step at a time.
The thing is as when talking bare minimum success, it's more like "global meguca community and happy Mumi" and less "UNIVERSE OR BUST".
Madoka wishing is not a safe approach to try, and I'm pretty sure that'd fall under "that's not how wishes work, you need to feel them"
Taking a pawn isn't a win. At all. Especially when your opponent has a guaranteed checkmate. Again, we've been going for better than canon. You apparently don't realise what a tall order that is. Canon Madoka broke the system in every Universe that ever existed, ever will exist and ever
won't exist
retroactively. We've been told we can do
better.
We're not going to aim for that, but it's the minimum we can accept as not a BAD END.
It's an
utterly horrible end. Again, that's
not breaking the system.
It's been said already, but we need to start small and work up. Your goal vastly exceeds our current or future capabilities.
It doesn't exceed out future capabilities. If it did, the title would be different. And if it did, we'd be morally in the wrong to stop madoka from wishing.
I don't think anybody wants to _settle_ for saving Earth. Merely that for now, planning beyond that point is putting the cart before the horse.
Let's clean up our backyard first.
(Oh and maybe get Madoka to read some Asimov. Just as insurance.)
(Unrelated: magical time travel exists. That means we may eventually be able to emulate it. So, I wonder if we can figure out how to travel into the future and kill/control our own witch. [edit] Hm. After we figure out how to fix soul gems, anyways. Can't let Madoka be the only one with a witch-based paradox...)
I agree with you, but to e, it sounds like people
are settling for Earth. If we don't even want to
try get the ability to move on from that, we're doing so. If we have the ability to save the Universe, saving Earth should be
easy, so let's find those abilities so we can save Earth and actually
start our
real mission. Remember that Madoka wanted us to fix
everything. Madoka who explicitly included other Universes in her canon wish. She'd be
incredibly disappointed with us.
Eh. I mean, saving the universe? That's a tall order, and would most likely require a wish. I'll settle for Sabrina's friends in a pinch, Mitakihara as a consolation, Earth as a stretch goal, meself.
Again. Madoka asked to fix everything and we've been promised to break the system. We've been told we can do it and if we can't we are morally obligated to get Madoka to wish.
2. The story quote suggests that Mami's surprised that we consider our range to be "only" 100 meters. We've never seen Mami outside of 100 meters,
Yes, we have. Rebellion.
and Ramiel and Kimiko seem like outliers. I seriously doubt every meguca but Sabrina has the magical equivalent of sniper rifles or that we're somehow crippled in that sense.
Akiko, Sakura, Moe ... there were several girls who showed evidence of greater range. And you're ignoring the most important piece of evidence. Mami had previously
seen us move grief to 100 meters away, meaning that our ability to affect things 100 meters away is
not the surprising thing.
We've seen that griefhax is basically reality warping. That doesn't mean we actually get knowledge so much as tell reality to temporarily do what we want, the same way it would in a barrier. It's not a useful way to try and win at everything/break the quest.
No. It's not
breaking the quest. It's
starting the quest. We have achieved basically
nothing so far. When we were told we could utterly destroy the system
more completely than Madokami. Anyone who thinks we can't do that is underestimating our abilities. The only reason we're currently being challenged is because we refuse to make use of our tools to begin the
real challenge.
EDIT: Is staring the vote with:
[ ] Do you really have so little faith in my abilities
too heavy?
