I think we should't restrain her as long as she doesn't do anything we can't tank and ignore.

Mami forgive us.

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I'm reminded of Hoshiko. We immediately acquiesed to release her when asked, despite having been atacked by her group.
 
I think we should't restrain her as long as she doesn't do anything we can't tank and ignore.

Mami forgive us.

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I'm reminded of Hoshiko. We immediately acquiesed to release her when asked, despite having been atacked by her group.

The problem with this is that it would take a split second to determine weather an attack is tankable or not. By then it can be too late. Thus timestop removal upon any act of violence.
 
Actually restraining her sounds like a really bad idea. I'd almost prefer just letting her vent at us.
She hasn't yet lashed out with violence (despite the shock of our sudden appearance in her sanctum and the discomfort of time-stop), although...
Her hands clench into white knuckled fists, the muscles standing out.
Physical violence might be imminent. If she just yells at us, that's one thing, but if she gets violent, then we ought to be prepared to restrain her (not preemptively, but as soon as she starts lashing out). I hope that won't be necessary, but I'd rather be prepared than to have her injure one of us. Muramasa's vote "If at any point Megane becomes violent or transforms, disconnect her from timestop." is one way to accomplish this. If it did come to that, we would need to either physically restrain her or leave, but the choice would be pushed to the next vote.

Our talk isn't going to conclude this update. We can talk about this later.
True. But do think that the explanation about the importance of the seed and the giving of the seed should happen at the same time.
 
And the more I think about it the more I'm inclined to believe that any act of violence here is unacceptable behavior and face tanking is shounen level stupidity. I don't recommend face tanking anything.
 
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We didn't leave our Gem with Mami, else I'd be certain Ono won't manage to hurt us in a meaningful way by lashing out, since she likely doesn't know what a meguca can take without trouble.

Unconnecting her is safer, though.
 
And the more I think about it the more I'm inclined to believe that any act of violence here us unacceptable behavior and face tanking is shounen level stupidity. I don't recommend face tanking anything.
I can take any-*torn to shreds by Ono* Yeah that would be a really stupid thing to try doing, let's not try the nearly 100% suicidal option.
 
[x] Be gentle and comforting
[x] "We can have this meeting elsewhere if you like. I will understand. But we're not leaving you alone while you are in danger."
[x] "You are using up your magic too quickly. If we don't teach you to manage it properly, your gem will fill and you will die. I don't want you to die."
[x] "We can teach you what you need to know here or elsewhere, but we are teammates and when any of us are in danger, we don't abandon them."
 
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Not sure about this, but I think we need something short, to account for Ono lashing out.

[X] "You are killing yourself, Megane."
[X] "I can give you a minute if you'd rather talk outside, but we need to talk right now. And we will."
 
[x] Be gentle and comforting
[x] "We can have this meeting elsewhere if you like. I will understand. But we're not leaving you alone while you are in danger."
[x] "You are using up your magic too quickly. If we don't teach you to manage it properly, your gem will fill and you will die. I don't want you to die."
[x] "We can teach you what you need to know here or elsewhere, but we are teammates and when any of us are in danger, we don't abandon them."

I feel this maybe a bit too passive and the intent behind this approach will get lost or misunderstood. I also think we should be explaining all of our justification for being here. The gem corruption is just the biggest concern.

Also this vote doesn't address the possibility of Megane becoming violent.
 
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I just hope this doesn't turn into another Akiko incident, where she can't deal with what's happening, because it goes against her wish.
If Megane's wish was something like "I want to always be in control" or I wish I was in control of my life", then what we're currently doing can't be healthy for her.

But there's not much we can do about that right now, so let's calmly press on and hope for the best.
With a wish like that, the only way to save her is to break her, as horrible as it sounds. Otherwise, she'd just keep going until she's either killed or Witches out. There's no alternative.

Think about it: always being in control of one's life means that you will always succeed, but that is utterly impossible. Always being in control of oneself would be fine and all, except that it requires said person to always be rational. And when she isn't, her idea of self-control and the reality around her clash. Admitting fault on her part would be tantamount to admitting she isn't in control. And just because she literally can't show what she's really feeling in any way doesn't mean she isn't actually feeling it. Which means rapid Witchout.

Really, as far as bad wishes go, hers is pretty goddamn high up there.
 
I feel this maybe a bit too passive and the intent behind this approach will get lost or misunderstood. I also think we should be explaining all of our justification for being here. The gem corruption is just the biggest concern.

Also this vote doesn't address the possibility of Megane becoming violent.
Well, I think that if we speak for too long, we'll get interrupted. I want to wait until she's accepted that we're having the meeting before including everything else we need to say. As for violence.

[x] Be gentle and comforting
[x] "We can have this meeting elsewhere if you like. I will understand. But we're not leaving you alone while you are in danger."
[x] "You are using up your magic too quickly. If we don't teach you to manage it properly, your gem will fill and you will die. I don't want you to die."
[x] "We can teach you what you need to know here or elsewhere, but we are teammates and when any of us are in danger, we don't abandon them."
[x] If Megane becomes violent, use grief to pass my soul gem to Mami and tell Mami and Homura to let her be. Tank anything she dishes out. If she needs to learn the lichbomb this way, so be it.
 
Always being in control of oneself would be fine and all, except that it requires said person to always be rational.
More like it would require perfection, or close. Always being in control of yourself means, when you're a teenager, means you're always being controlled by a teenager. Teenagers kind of need to listen to adults, at times.

I wonder if her wish widened the distance between her and her mother...
 
My big quarrel with the votes so far is they're ignoring the big bridge between where we're at in the conversation, and where we wanna be.

Right now, Ono is in angry reaction mode. She's going to shout down our initial soft words, probably any words.
We need to plan around this. I like the soft approach, but we need to wait before we bring it out.
 
My big quarrel with the votes so far is they're ignoring the big bridge between where we're at in the conversation, and where we wanna be.

Right now, Ono is in angry reaction mode. She's going to shout down our initial soft words, probably any words.
We need to plan around this. I like the soft approach, but we need to wait before we bring it out.

It does kind of look like she might be in fight or flight mode. So either find some way to quickly calm her or say something that would immediately get her attention. I was thinking that we could just stop dancing around the subject and outright tell her that her soul gem is, well, her soul, but that could carry its own element of risk.
 
Tempting as it might be to tank it if she gets violent (... hell, were things otherwise, I'd be pleased if she took a shot at us; it'd shortcut most of the looming conversation, demonstrate a reassuring degree of initiative on her part, and probably make her feel significantly better :V), Mami's right behind us. Mami wouldn't appreciate it at all. If we get our gem out of the firing line, it should be only as a precaution, and if Ono does try to separate us from any of our extraneous bits, we want to make her stop in fairly short order.

Also; do recall that we can try to cut off her magic, either to stop her trying to chib us or to take a peep under the glamour. It'd be strictly a short-term solution, since we'd probably paralyze her in the process, but in this context, that might not be entirely a bad thing.
 
Well, I think that if we speak for too long, we'll get interrupted. I want to wait until she's accepted that we're having the meeting before including everything else we need to say. As for violence.

[x] Be gentle and comforting
[x] "We can have this meeting elsewhere if you like. I will understand. But we're not leaving you alone while you are in danger."
[x] "You are using up your magic too quickly. If we don't teach you to manage it properly, your gem will fill and you will die. I don't want you to die."
[x] "We can teach you what you need to know here or elsewhere, but we are teammates and when any of us are in danger, we don't abandon them."
[x] If Megane becomes violent, use grief to pass my soul gem to Mami and tell Mami and Homura to let her be. Tank anything she dishes out. If she needs to learn the lichbomb this way, so be it.
I'm sure you're going to have a wonderful time explaining getting ourselves stabbed or worse to Mami.

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This is thoroughly unwise.
 
[x] "If you want a moment to collect yourself, that's fine. But we can't leave until we've had this talk. It's too important."
Could we offer to take this talk outside?
[] "If you want a moment to collect yourself, that's fine. If you want to do this outside, it's fine. But we can't leave until we've had this talk. It's too important."

Also; do recall that we can try to cut off her magic, either to stop her trying to chib us or to take a peep under the glamour. It'd be strictly a short-term solution, since we'd probably paralyze her in the process, but in this context, that might not be entirely a bad thing.
How?
 
About a millionty pages back, when we were messing around with our magic-o-vision, we tried cutting off magic to our hand? Uh, 'twisting' the glowy stuff connecting it to the soul gem? No lasting ill effects. If I remember correctly, it just stopped working and felt tingly. :V
I imagine we can do that with our magic in our body.
 

I'm sure you're going to have a wonderful time explaining getting ourselves stabbed or worse to Mami.

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This is thoroughly unwise.

Yeah, going to have to agree with that. First off, we're not a healer. Second of all, Mami might very well shoot Megane if she manages to seriously hurt us, lich or no.

Could we offer to take this talk outside?
[] "If you want a moment to collect yourself, that's fine. If you want to do this outside, it's fine. But we can't leave until we've had this talk. It's too important."

Might not be a bad idea, but I don't think it would register with Megane. She's really freaked out and panicked. Might be best to wait a bit, but I'm not sure. Either we find a way to calm her down a bit first or we just head straight to the point.

Also, what exactly are going to do after we tell her about soul gems? There's still a very good chance that she might not want anything to with us even after we do tell her. Which would make it difficult to help her in the future.
 
If it were me in this situation I'd just wait her out. There's not much we can really do when she's riled up like this so I suggest we do nothing, other than cleansing of course, and just wait till she calms down. She might attack us or she might not but I'm sure the three of us can keep her from seriously injuring either herself or ourselves.
 
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