It's obvious that Ono is upset. I'm asking if she appears to be calm (facial expressions and whatnot). Because if she appears to be calm then that means that she's using her composure magic even when she's alone (as opposed to just when she's around other people).
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Well, if we threaten to come in through the wall, that means she's got a really good reason to let us in.
Onmur
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I think Whiskers' idea of threatening to knock like a normal person would work.Well, if we threaten to come in through the wall, that means she's got a really good reason to let us in.
3 girls dropping in unannounced the middle of the night? How's Ono gonna explain this to her (apparent) mother?
Onmur
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[X] "She used up the Grief Seed. Explains why she didn't even want to think about going hunting with us... Hopefully didn't mean to go hunt alone in order to show up with a Grief Seed tomorrow."
[X] Check if there's more pieces of paper scattered around, or in the trash. If there are, check in case they're suicide notes, or something similarly bad.
[X] If you don't find anything too bad, leave everything like it was, re-lock the doors and go stand outside her window, standing on a flying carpet. Ask Homura to end the timestop and knock on Ono's window. We're gonna have that talk, so she's got two minutes to either come outside or invite us in.
-[X] If there's no window for this, use telepathy instead: If she doesn't come outside, we're knocking and speaking with whoever we need to in order to talk with her.
I think we should be able to pretend we didn't come in at any point.
[X] Check if there's more pieces of paper scattered around, or in the trash. If there are, check in case they're suicide notes, or something similarly bad.
[X] If you don't find anything too bad, leave everything like it was, re-lock the doors and go stand outside her window, standing on a flying carpet. Ask Homura to end the timestop and knock on Ono's window. We're gonna have that talk, so she's got two minutes to either come outside or invite us in.
-[X] If there's no window for this, use telepathy instead: If she doesn't come outside, we're knocking and speaking with whoever we need to in order to talk with her.
I think we should be able to pretend we didn't come in at any point.
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We should start incessantly annoying her with puns until she leaves, just to shut us up . Maybe even about her name. That would make her come rushing out for sure.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
How can we actually make the puns IC?We should start incessantly annoying her with puns until she leaves, just to shut us up . Maybe even about her name. That would make her come rushing out for sure.
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"How do you call a Meganekko in a box?"
"Wha-?"
"A Scrhönödinger."
"That's... in extremely poor taste."
"Oh no! O no! Ono! Ono didn't like my joke!"
How long until Homura stops us?
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Also... we need to leave, and then come in normally. If she ever even thinks that we can observe her facial expressions without her knowing, then her power might take over even more, controlling her face literally 24/7.
Choices in approach:
Pop up out of nowhere; exit and enter through the front door; exit and knock on the window
In timestop/out of timestop
After invading her privacy to see what we can find out about what's going on, or not
How we present ourselves after appearing.
I'm currently inclined towards this:
[] Do a quick scan of the room (books on shelves, decorations, etc), but do not poke into her papers or personal effects.
[] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave her."
[] To Mami & Homura: "What do you think? In timestop or not? I'd prefer not, but her mother is in the other room..."
-[] If split, go with non-timestop.
[] "Hi, Ono! Just got here. We need to talk."
[] Find a place to sit. Accept Mami-cushions, but no grief chairs. Sitting on the floor is fine.
Though the idea of exiting first is not bad. However I get the feeling that in her current state, and after her recent refusals, she would absolutely refuse us entry if at all possible. Rather than try to force our way past that, just pop up.
However, we also shouldn't look like we've already settled in, nor like we are looking through her stuff. Thus, find a place to sit after showing ourselves. Don't want to use grief constructs in here, either.
Leaning towards non-timestop for two reasons: First, the obvious issue of how unsettling timestop is, and we don't need to make this even worse; and second, if she knows her mother can potentially hear her, she may be less likely to make this a loud argument. However will defer to Homura and Mami if they both agree that bringing her into timestop would be better.
The next stage is what to actually say to her. I threw this together as a rough start, but it's far from complete:
[] "So, the schoolwork is getting to you?" Gesture at the papers she's holding.
-[] Assure her we did not look at the papers
--[] If verbally accused of such (ie: confirmation that the guess was correct): "Just putting a bunch of things together. Mami told me there was a bit of a competition between Mitakihara and Yokosuka. Saw the school on the way over; has the same overly-ostentatious architecture as Mitakihara. Easy to guess that they're always trying to one-up each other. I've also helped Mami with her schoolwork, so I'm well aware of how hard they're pushing on the scholastic side, too. With that much pressure to succeed, well... It'd get pretty rough if you're not always at the top."
The idea is to make a probing comment and, if it registers as correct, expand on that to show that we can put together clues to form a conclusion without trying to cheat the answer by digging into her private stuff. Make it leading enough that it appears we have a decent grasp of the problem, but open enough that it invites her to comment on it as well.
If the initial comment doesn't seem correct, shift to another tack (depending on what ideas others can come up with as to the reasons behind her problems), and/or bring up the general problems we needed to speak with her about in the first place.
Leaving this here as a base idea, as I need to head out for a bit.
Pop up out of nowhere; exit and enter through the front door; exit and knock on the window
In timestop/out of timestop
After invading her privacy to see what we can find out about what's going on, or not
How we present ourselves after appearing.
I'm currently inclined towards this:
[] Do a quick scan of the room (books on shelves, decorations, etc), but do not poke into her papers or personal effects.
[] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave her."
[] To Mami & Homura: "What do you think? In timestop or not? I'd prefer not, but her mother is in the other room..."
-[] If split, go with non-timestop.
[] "Hi, Ono! Just got here. We need to talk."
[] Find a place to sit. Accept Mami-cushions, but no grief chairs. Sitting on the floor is fine.
Though the idea of exiting first is not bad. However I get the feeling that in her current state, and after her recent refusals, she would absolutely refuse us entry if at all possible. Rather than try to force our way past that, just pop up.
However, we also shouldn't look like we've already settled in, nor like we are looking through her stuff. Thus, find a place to sit after showing ourselves. Don't want to use grief constructs in here, either.
Leaning towards non-timestop for two reasons: First, the obvious issue of how unsettling timestop is, and we don't need to make this even worse; and second, if she knows her mother can potentially hear her, she may be less likely to make this a loud argument. However will defer to Homura and Mami if they both agree that bringing her into timestop would be better.
The next stage is what to actually say to her. I threw this together as a rough start, but it's far from complete:
[] "So, the schoolwork is getting to you?" Gesture at the papers she's holding.
-[] Assure her we did not look at the papers
--[] If verbally accused of such (ie: confirmation that the guess was correct): "Just putting a bunch of things together. Mami told me there was a bit of a competition between Mitakihara and Yokosuka. Saw the school on the way over; has the same overly-ostentatious architecture as Mitakihara. Easy to guess that they're always trying to one-up each other. I've also helped Mami with her schoolwork, so I'm well aware of how hard they're pushing on the scholastic side, too. With that much pressure to succeed, well... It'd get pretty rough if you're not always at the top."
The idea is to make a probing comment and, if it registers as correct, expand on that to show that we can put together clues to form a conclusion without trying to cheat the answer by digging into her private stuff. Make it leading enough that it appears we have a decent grasp of the problem, but open enough that it invites her to comment on it as well.
If the initial comment doesn't seem correct, shift to another tack (depending on what ideas others can come up with as to the reasons behind her problems), and/or bring up the general problems we needed to speak with her about in the first place.
Leaving this here as a base idea, as I need to head out for a bit.
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Hm. Lets see.....
Ono is at 25%.
We cleansed her in the middle of day. Putting aside another soul lost, she went through 125% in, what, 8 hours? 6 AM is in another 10 :/
Sure, there's sleep and not using magic during that. But in sleep, there are also nightmares.
Overall, I am not sure it is safe to wait until morning. Especially given that grief is exponential, not linear, in accumulation.
Ono is at 25%.
We cleansed her in the middle of day. Putting aside another soul lost, she went through 125% in, what, 8 hours? 6 AM is in another 10 :/
Sure, there's sleep and not using magic during that. But in sleep, there are also nightmares.
Overall, I am not sure it is safe to wait until morning. Especially given that grief is exponential, not linear, in accumulation.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Haven't we gone more than one day without seeing her?
Muramasa
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We cleansed her yesterday at around 4ish. Since then, she burned a cleanse roughly in the morning, so that's about 15 to 16 hours. Then she cleansed again sometime about 8 to 10 hours later and is at 25% as of about 8pm.
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At 95% they're a danger to those around them. No.
I don't like ignoring her privacy, but it's far superior to risking her witching.
I think we should check the notes as those are obviously currently distressing her and may give us insight that'll help us in our attempts to talk to her, but shouldn't search her room.
We heed to get through to her, whether that be via friendliness or ultimatum. Not sure which approach is more likely to get through her walls.
Her problems are problems and if we can help, we should.
Personally, as grating as Ono can be, I'd find properly befriending her to be an impressive and important achievement.
I do agree that we need to get on that therapist acquisition though.
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Thanks, @Muramasa, @Onmur. So, she went through 125% in about 28 hours and will be at ~70% with that rate by 6 AM.
Far higher than average and there is the additional distress on these papers plus her potentially planning to hunt a witch, but I do think it is possible she survives till morning. Of course, whether that risk is worth the hurt feelings is another story, and I'm going to wager on "no".
Far higher than average and there is the additional distress on these papers plus her potentially planning to hunt a witch, but I do think it is possible she survives till morning. Of course, whether that risk is worth the hurt feelings is another story, and I'm going to wager on "no".
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Onmur
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125% is assuming she witched out before cleansing. You usually cleanse way before 100%.
Of note, she accumulated a 'noticeable' amount of grief in between our cleansing her, her magicking away any signs of crying, us offering her to join our team, her walking away, coming back and accepting.
She might have a weakness to social, and we might have rolled over a little, but that's a little much for just a matter of minutes.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
OK. I assume we're standing in a grief carpet.
If we wanted to tank this, we could use the wings...
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I assumed she did two 50% cleanses, after which grief gem was full.
I think the time to be concerned about privacy is over. We literally just broke into her room. Her privacy is good and violated and any "let's back off now" at this point is just pretending so we feel better about it.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Silly me.
We can't really assume 50%.
Let's say, somewhere between 2(25%-60%)?
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Doesn't a seed (typically) bring someone from 'verging on witching' to 'pristine' three times over? That'd put her grief accumulation rate anywhere from '25% in just over a day, but she dropped the seed down a storm drain because QB convinced her it was evil' to '325% in the same period'.
It does also mean that she feels better about it. The illusion of control, no matter how little, isn't to be underestimated.
Onmur
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2 times.
Also yes, going outside so she doesn't know we broke in.
Are you arguing against pretending that we didn't break into her room (as Onmur's vote suggests we do, with leaving and re-entering), or for the idea that we shouldn't care about further violations of her privacy (as my partial proposal tries to prevent)?
We will maintain the illusion of control exactly the same if we snoop in timestop then pretend we didn't, or if we leave now in timestop and pretend we never entered.
Insofar as we give her any control at all by forcing a confrontation at her private residence where she didn't want us in the first place, and demonstrating that we can find her anywhere in almost no time at all, and deliberately meet her in an emotional state where she isn't mentally prepared to deal with others.
Which is pretty much zero control and zero illusion of control, if it wasn't obvious. The idea that we can leave her something here is unfortunately already beyond us.
I'm arguing that we should violate her privacy.
I think that a tone both stern and compassionate is our best bet.
Polite, but explicit that you don't treat the squad like strangers.
Probing question wise, if she denies the pressures of school then perhaps we should mention her clear magic use on appearance. Wishes are usually the center of the girls main conflict, especially at such an early stage.
What does she feel so important about that she'd ask for the ability to control her appearance?
And privacy wise, I'm firmly against explicit intrusion. Even if we find the magic key that explains her problem, getting her to listen isn't going to be helped. Brute forcing a solution....is a mistake we keep making and our defining flaw. Once she finds out we intruded, it becomes that much harder to gain her trust.
Polite, but explicit that you don't treat the squad like strangers.
Probing question wise, if she denies the pressures of school then perhaps we should mention her clear magic use on appearance. Wishes are usually the center of the girls main conflict, especially at such an early stage.
What does she feel so important about that she'd ask for the ability to control her appearance?
And privacy wise, I'm firmly against explicit intrusion. Even if we find the magic key that explains her problem, getting her to listen isn't going to be helped. Brute forcing a solution....is a mistake we keep making and our defining flaw. Once she finds out we intruded, it becomes that much harder to gain her trust.