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AuraTwilight said:
I kinda ship it. They can be Moirails.
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More like being in the Ashen Quadrant with Madokami as the Auspistice (Shut up and don't cause any trouble, either of you, or else *Friendly smile*). Remember, UKG wants to save everybody in the universe, she just isn't very good at it, whereas Gygias (or however you spell that) knows what he's doing but does it anyway.
 
chocolote12 said:
More like being in the Ashen Quadrant with Madokami as the Auspistice (Shut up and don't cause any trouble, either of you, or else *Friendly smile*). Remember, UKG wants to save everybody in the universe, she just isn't very good at it, whereas Gygias (or however you spell that) knows what he's doing but does it anyway.
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Giygas doesn't know what he is doing. At all. The guy is completely mindless.
 
As a lead in...

I'd been thinking about Sabrina's barrier while reading the thread shadowrun about 'Feathers' identity as Dedolere. Which led to 'Sabrina's barrier is kinda Dedolere's barrier. And when Sabrina summons it, it is empty. Dedolere is 'grief's end.' Her barrier couldn't be anything else.'

Having somebody, anybody, drag a bunch of grief in there and set up a witch-grief anything would really piss Dedolere off, don't you think? Also implies Dedolere's end-game as erasing everything from ever existing. Probably including herself, since witches tend to be that kind of thorough.

And then this hit while trying for sleep:
You tried to make things better.

Oriko in timestop, slumped on the ground, missing an arm and most of her neck. Your POV reverses, zooms across the concrete to show a crippled Kirika, still futilely crawling to her ojou, griefblade skewering her leg.

You tried to stop the pointless fighting.

Ramiel's light beams stretch across the sky burning holes in nearby building. Below, Kuvira's metal construct terrorizes the highway, throwing an engine block at the Mobile Oppression(Oppression? Even you don't believe in the peace you're advocating) Platform. Moe's body embedded in another building, still smoking after a Tiro Finale.

You tried to protect your friends.

Mami, huddled in your lap, clutching desperately to you. An 8-bit rendition of a Russian folksong plays at an uneven tempo in your mind.

You just make things worse. This world doesn't want you to save it.

Become a witch, and no one will ever grieve again.
 
Onmur said:
Feathers definitely destroyed, or at least hindered our Barrier tech tree.

But we shouldn't be afraid. Remember that the reason Sabrina's got these 'OP' abilities is because we'll need them. We've got to use our powers, even if we might think they're compromised. No choice.
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Not the case. We shouldn't be afraid to use our powers overall but certain approaches are clearly extremely ill-advised. It's not fear to shelve a wonder weapon that didn't pan out ( Sabrina's barriers) and to be more careful when playing with extreme, non-battle viable, generally unhelpful power uses. It's common sense.

The @Agent Whiskers vote gives her too many chances to shut us down and doesn't go after her anyway when it's quite clear that letting our fear of offending her prevent us from taking action when she's pretty much stonewalling us is going to end in tears and/or a glass witch.

This is not someone whose words we can take at face value. Her first action was to play the veteran and hide the fact she was in a near-witchout mindset and she hasn't changed much since. Any vote needs to have us in timestop and going after her if we can't get through to her via social rather than just asking Homura a question, and the Oriko question is a really, really, really bad call given Homura's view of how we trust Oriko's intel.

No one else is going to agree with me on this, but I really don't think the bandwagon is the best approach here, so I'm sticking with mine regardless. Call it gilgameshing and hero complexing, but it seems like the best way to handle this.

Boobah said:
As a lead in...

I'd been thinking about Sabrina's barrier while reading the thread shadowrun about 'Feathers' identity as Dedolere. Which led to 'Sabrina's barrier is kinda Dedolere's barrier. And when Sabrina summons it, it is empty. Dedolere is 'grief's end.' Her barrier couldn't be anything else.'

Having somebody, anybody, drag a bunch of grief in there and set up a witch-grief anything would really piss Dedolere off, don't you think? Also implies Dedolere's end-game as erasing everything from ever existing. Probably including herself, since witches tend to be that kind of thorough.

And then this hit while trying for sleep:
You tried to make things better.

Oriko in timestop, slumped on the ground, missing an arm and most of her neck. Your POV reverses, zooms across the concrete to show a crippled Kirika, still futilely crawling to her ojou, griefblade skewering her leg.

You tried to stop the pointless fighting.

Ramiel's light beams stretch across the sky burning holes in nearby building. Below, Kuvira's metal construct terrorizes the highway, throwing an engine block at the Mobile Oppression(Oppression? Even you don't believe in the peace you're advocating) Platform. Moe's body embedded in another building, still smoking after a Tiro Finale.

You tried to protect your friends.

Mami, huddled in your lap, clutching desperately to you. An 8-bit rendition of a Russian folksong plays at an uneven tempo in your mind.

You just make things worse. This world doesn't want you to save it.

Become a witch, and no one will ever grieve again.
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Oh...dear.
 
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Boobah said:
As a lead in...

I'd been thinking about Sabrina's barrier while reading the thread shadowrun about 'Feathers' identity as Dedolere. Which led to 'Sabrina's barrier is kinda Dedolere's barrier. And when Sabrina summons it, it is empty. Dedolere is 'grief's end.' Her barrier couldn't be anything else.'

Having somebody, anybody, drag a bunch of grief in there and set up a witch-grief anything would really piss Dedolere off, don't you think? Also implies Dedolere's end-game as erasing everything from ever existing. Probably including herself, since witches tend to be that kind of thorough.

And then this hit while trying for sleep:
You tried to make things better.

Oriko in timestop, slumped on the ground, missing an arm and most of her neck. Your POV reverses, zooms across the concrete to show a crippled Kirika, still futilely crawling to her ojou, griefblade skewering her leg.

You tried to stop the pointless fighting.

Ramiel's light beams stretch across the sky burning holes in nearby building. Below, Kuvira's metal construct terrorizes the highway, throwing an engine block at the Mobile Oppression(Oppression? Even you don't believe in the peace you're advocating) Platform. Moe's body embedded in another building, still smoking after a Tiro Finale.

You tried to protect your friends.

Mami, huddled in your lap, clutching desperately to you. An 8-bit rendition of a Russian folksong plays at an uneven tempo in your mind.

You just make things worse. This world doesn't want you to save it.

Become a witch, and no one will ever grieve again.
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Our Barrier giving an avenue for Dedolere to "manifest" somewhat is a very scarily plausible possibility.
 
Ugolino said:
It's not fear to shelve a wonder weapon that didn't pan out ( Sabrina's barriers) and to be more careful when playing with extreme, non-battle viable, generally unhelpful power uses. It's common sense.
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The problem with this line of thought is that we haven't done enough research to know if our barrier is worth it or not. We've had one bad experience and have decided to shelve it out of fear. The barrier is potentially one the most useful things we have ever created but we won't know for sure unless we take some risks.
 
cmwatford said:
The problem with this line of thought is that we haven't done enough research to know if our barrier is worth it or not. We've had one bad experience and have decided to shelve it out of fear. The barrier is potentially one the most useful things we have ever created but we won't know for sure unless we take some risks.
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When we have a fairly good idea of upper end barrier capabilities (pocket universe divorced from reality, less useful than it sounds when you take regular griefwarping-which does effectively the same thing without the pocket universe aspect with much less trouble- and our combat capabilities into account) and the fact we really don't know exactly how bad the consequences of meddling will be but had it start off by warping our mindset and leaving us helpless, giving us the first signs of our unknown enemy actively meddling, and utterly sending things off the rails...we know well enough not to poke it unless we have no other choice at all.

The research so far has turned up a lot of compelling evidence that playing with Barriers is a bad idea for a myriad of reasons.

The Shiny Button is not always there to be pressed- As I see it, any vote with barrier creation in the near future is going to be a bad one by that factor alone.
 
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techsy730 said:
Our Barrier giving an avenue for Dedolere to "manifest" somewhat is a very scarily plausible possibility.
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I think it would be hilarious if Dedolere was Feathers, somehow manifested without killing us, and went:

A flurry of feathers explodes from Sabrina's Gem. Once if dispereses, there stands a cartoonishly creepy version of Sabrina, with similar wings, these ones made out of flesh and feathers instead of grief.

Sabrina's first instinct is to go 'grab' her hammer, but before she can do that...

Dedolere glares at her. In a flash, she's grabbed Sabrina by her wings and pulled her close.

"You..." Her voice sounds familiar, if coarse, distorted, wrong.

Sabrina goes completely still, but can't contain the faint "eeeeeeeeeeeeeee..." sound escaping her lips.

Dedolere shakes Sabrina's wings in her face. "You..." She snarls.

Sabrina's mouth snaps shut. "I... I?" She blinks.

Dedolere frowns and grunts and, in a moment, the white haired Magical Girl's wings she's clutching transform into a copy of her own. Grief shifts and becomes bones, flesh and finally, feathers.

Sabrina's eyes go wide as she contemplates her own transformed wings. They don't light up in her senses anymore. The feeling of wrongness, of Witch, is gone.

Dedolere sighs. "You dense motherfucker..."

"I... Buh?" Sabrina shakes her head. "How was I supposed to- agh! Uff, pthu! Stobit!"

Dedolere ignores her, continuing to shove Sabrina's feathery wings in her face. "How else was I supposed to tell you? How many hints do you need... Screw this" the Witch shoves Sabrina away, and pulls out a hammer. "Final Boss fight, get ready."


Firnagzen said:
Apologies, I won't be updating tonight. Colds are hell on productivity.
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Ugolino said:
Get well soon, Firn. Know from recent experience how much that sucks. :(
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Colds suck.
 
Get well soon!

The difficulty is coming up with the correct balance of being forceful and showing that we actually do care about what happens to her and didn't intend to insult her by postponing the meeting.
 
Onmur said:
I think it would be hilarious if Dedolere was Feathers, somehow manifested without killing us, and went:

A flurry of feathers explodes from Sabrina's Gem. Once if dispereses, there stands a cartoonishly creepy version of Sabrina, with similar wings, these ones made out of flesh and feathers instead of grief.

Sabrina's first instinct is to go 'grab' her hammer, but before she can do that...

Dedolere glares at her. In a flash, she's grabbed Sabrina by her wings and pulled her close.

"You..." Her voice sounds familiar, if coarse, distorted, wrong.

Sabrina goes completely still, but can't contain the faint "eeeeeeeeeeeeeee..." sound escaping her lips.

Dedolere shakes Sabrina's wings in her face. "You..." She snarls.

Sabrina's mouth snaps shut. "I... I?" She blinks.

Dedolere frowns and grunts and, in a moment, the white haired Magical Girl's wings she's clutching transform into a copy of her own. Grief shifts and becomes bones, flesh and finally, feathers.

Sabrina's eyes go wide as she contemplates her own transformed wings. They don't light up in her senses anymore. The feeling of wrongness, of Witch, is gone.

Dedolere sighs. "You dense motherfucker..."

"I... Buh?" Sabrina shakes her head. "How was I supposed to- agh! Uff, pthu! Stobit!"

Dedolere ignores her, continuing to shove Sabrina's feathery wings in her face. "How else was I supposed to tell you? How many hints do you need... Screw this" the Witch shoves Sabrina away, and pulls out a hammer. "Final Boss fight, get ready."




Colds suck.
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What I got from that: we should totally try to make our wings part of our body, because actually having wings would be even more awesome.
 
Boobah said:
I'd been thinking about Sabrina's barrier while reading the thread shadowrun about 'Feathers' identity as Dedolere. Which led to 'Sabrina's barrier is kinda Dedolere's barrier. And when Sabrina summons it, it is empty. Dedolere is 'grief's end.' Her barrier couldn't be anything else.'

Having somebody, anybody, drag a bunch of grief in there and set up a witch-grief anything would really piss Dedolere off, don't you think? Also implies Dedolere's end-game as erasing everything from ever existing. Probably including herself, since witches tend to be that kind of thorough.
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I suspect that Dedolere is kind of like Kriemhild Gretchen in terms of motivation. Kriemhild Gretchen's description is: "Witch of salvation. Her nature is mercy. She absorbs any life on the planet into her newly created heaven--her barrier. The only way to defeat this witch is to make the world free of misfortune. If there's no grief in this world, she will believe this world is already a heaven."

The problem is that Kriemhild Gretchen absorbing everyone into her barrier turns out poorly for those involved. Dedolere would probably do something similar - she wouldn't have the same range limitations as Sabrina, so she would absorb all of the grief. Including the grief that is a normal part of life. Smiles for everyone!

That being said, Dedolere is (probably) the expression of the unconscious part of Sabrina's soul, so even if she is capable of perceiving the interior of the Barrier, I doubt that grief controlled by Sabrina would piss her off. If we tried to create the barrier in the middle of a different witch's Labyrinth on the other hand, then it might get exciting.

Ugolino said:
The @Agent Whiskers vote gives her too many chances to shut us down and doesn't go after her anyway when it's quite clear that letting our fear of offending her prevent us from taking action when she's pretty much stonewalling us is going to end in tears and/or a glass witch.

This is not someone whose words we can take at face value. Her first action was to play the veteran and hide the fact she was in a near-witchout mindset and she hasn't changed much since. Any vote needs to have us in timestop and going after her if we can't get through to her via social rather than just asking Homura a question, and the Oriko question is a really, really, really bad call given Homura's view of how we trust Oriko's intel.
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I agree with this, however I consider "asking Ono about her current condition" and "deciding what to do if Ono stonewalls us" to be two different things, so my vote stops after talking to Ono and Homura so that we can decide what we want to do next time (Oriko, timestop, etc).
 
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