Taking it to the police is a better plan then simply destroying it. Still if we don't completely uproot the problem then we're inviting unintended consequences and getting innocents caught in the crossfire that wouldn't happen if we just left things alone.

The problem is better mitigated if we damage the operations this thoroughly. I'll give you that.
 
Given how Yakuza operates in Japan, I don't know if dropping the drugs with the police is necessarily consequence-lite. If the drugs disappear and then show up anywhere at all, that provides someone to blame for what would otherwise be a theft with no obvious perpetrator. It would end any existing detente between the police and this Yakuza group.

If we remove drugs, they need to stay disappeared. Otherwise, leave them.
 
I want them destroyed because I don't want there to be any chance of them ending up back on the street
 
I wonder what the Sakuraquest players would think of the fact that they've managed to make us shadowrun for hundreds of pages after that on the subject of hey maybe we might be a witch
 
I wonder what the Sakuraquest players would think of the fact that they've managed to make us shadowrun for hundreds of pages after that on the subject of hey maybe we might be a witch

They would think we're kinda slow. I mean, why would anyone with half a brain need hundreds of pages to figure out that Sabrina with all her grief powers is clearly a witch masquerading as a magical girl. It's obvious. I mean just look at her.
 
And when the Yakuza want to recoup for losses, what then?
They're out money, they have no idea who to blame, and that's a lot of drugs that won't be ruining lives. If they make trouble, they'll bring the law down on themselves, especially with their insurance policy now added to HomuHomu's arsenal. I'd be okay with either, but lean towards just getting rid of the drugs.

I wonder what the Sakuraquest players would think of the fact that they've managed to make us shadowrun for hundreds of pages after that on the subject of hey maybe we might be a witch
Probably distracted and pissed off by the fact they unambiguously lost a war and as a result they're picking up the pieces while effectively in an uneasy stalemate with two groups of Those Guys, Fuck Those Guys thanks to the threat of witch-girl and friends coming back for round 2. Damage control for their relationship with Rin, worry for Akiko the friendly senior NPC who's pretty much dead to the world as a result of the war, and figuring out how the group/NPC relations work now that there's a power vaccum.

Maybe they should move to somewhere nice and remote. Like Asunaro. :V
 
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And when the Yakuza want to recoup for losses, what then?
What are they going to do? They have two possible motives:

A. Revenge: They don't have a clue who to enact revenge upon.

B. Prophet: They're yakuza. They're going to go for making the most prophet no matter what's been stolen from them. It's not going to change their plans at all. The only possible effect this'll have on them is that they'll be less effective as they've lost resources.
 
What are they going to do? They have two possible motives:

A. Revenge: They don't have a clue who to enact revenge upon.

B. Prophet: They're yakuza. They're going to go for making the most prophet no matter what's been stolen from them. It's not going to change their plans at all. The only possible effect this'll have on them is that they'll be less effective as they've lost resources.

C. Revengence: The boys in Mitakihara say their weapons suddenly vanished? Sounds like magic bullshit to me. And. Nobody. Does. Magic. Bullshit. To. ME! I made my wish to keep this enterprise running, and some two-bit meguca wants to play vigilante with me? Heh. Guess Coobs never told her why that's a bad idea.
 
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I'm suddenly tempted to, while still in timestop, write something immature like "Sabrina was here" on the inside of one of the weapon lockers we're clearing out.

There's no official record of our existence, so it's not like it would be traceable or anything.
 
B. Prophet: They're yakuza. They're going to go for making the most prophet no matter what's been stolen from them. It's not going to change their plans at all. The only possible effect this'll have on them is that they'll be less effective as they've lost resources.
Oriko's the Yakuzas.
 
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C. Revengence: The boys in Mitakihara say their weapons suddenly vanished? Sounds like magic bullshit to me. And. Nobody. Does. Magic. Bullshit. To. ME! I made my wish to keep this enterprise running, and some two-bit meguca wants to play vigilante with me? Heh. Guess Coobs never told her why that's a bad idea.
If this is the case, we'd want to take her on anyway.
 
Or to avoid looking weak, and in a rage, the local Yakuza group we're raiding starts going on a rampage against all the groups they think might have been fucking with them, sparking up a small gang war.

I mean if some of their guns go missing, they'll probably start looking at one another real hard. If their merchandise and guns go?

Probably not going to be pretty.
 
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Probably distracted and pissed off by the fact they unambiguously lost a war and as a result they're picking up the pieces while effectively in an uneasy stalemate with two groups of Those Guys, Fuck Those Guys thanks to the threat of witch-girl and friends coming back for round 2. Damage control for their relationship with Rin, worry for Akiko the friendly senior NPC who's pretty much dead to the world as a result of the war, and figuring out how the group/NPC relations work now that there's a power vaccum.

Maybe they should move to somewhere nice and remote. Like Asunaro. :V
Well, the idea obviously came up. Then they remembered their QM threw Sabrina, Mami, and a Kirika with a different power at them. Because that was supposed to 'even things up' when they called in Ramiel, Kuvira, and Shadows.

The Kirika changes from canon, though, have now added a vocal minority who want to visit Mitakihara proper, because they're convinced that if they do they'll find a moe Homuhomu.
 
No, we troll her by not letting her see us using the runes. We just... Let her see the runes, always in our vecinity, somehow always out of our sight and everybody else's. The only one to see them's... Sakura, who's totally not crazy nor trying to bully us with her crazy witch-runes talk.
OK. This is crazy awesome. Your reaction
... We haven't actually intentionally done anything just to make Sakura think we're a Witch, right? That was all jokes so far?
is even more delicious because I hadn't read that until just now.
 
OK, so I gather the problem with messing with the drugs is manyfold:

1 - It's not that many drugs in the grand scheme of things; they'll get replaced.
2 - Retaliation. Most obvious culprits (police or other Yakuza or something) will get blamed. Innocent people will get caught in the crossfire.
3 - Poking the beehive will shift things around. Shifting around established crime means a lot of pain to everybody close by until business rearranges, stabilizes and resumes normally.
5 - Hitomi will suffer since we're stealing from her parents' business.

So... if we ever want to dismantly he Yakuza, let's make it a full blown operation with Mami & Co.? Not something halfhearted like this.
 
I really don't see how people are going to be caught in the crossfire any more than they are from standard yakuza operations.
 
1 - It's not that many drugs in the grand scheme of things; they'll get replaced.
2 - Retaliation. Most obvious culprits (police or other Yakuza or something) will get blamed. Innocent people will get caught in the crossfire.
3 - Poking the beehive will shift things around. Shifting around established crime means a lot of pain to everybody close by until business rearranges, stabilizes and resumes normally.
5 - Hitomi will suffer since we're stealing from her parents' business.
All of these also apply to just taking the guns.
Except that not causing damage to accessible revenue streams while we can makes it more difficult for everyone else to deal with any notional shit we might stir up, and means we aren't putting the hole in their day-to-day operations we want to in the meantime.
If you're planning on ruining someone's day (and we are, and even if we weren't, Homura is), do it properly. Enemies, small injuries, et cetera.

(... Actually, there's an argument to be made for making it look like an inside job, hopefully provoking a [hilarious] organizational response more damaging than the loss itself, but that'd require more effort than just going for targets of opportunity. Also, lolethics, or whatever). :V
 
I really don't see how people are going to be caught in the crossfire any more than they are from standard yakuza operations.
There's a balance. Bad things are done, but they're done in a mostly premeditated way.

If you destroy that balance, a new balance needs to be created out of the pieces that are left lying around... That's a violent process.

Ultimately, this doesn't help. It just creates chaos, which is plain bad when it's coupled with guns and violence in general.

All of these also apply to just taking the guns.
Except that not causing damage to accessible revenue streams while we can makes it more difficult for everyone else to deal with any notional shit we might stir up, and means we aren't putting the hole in their day-to-day operations we want to in the meantime.
If you're planning on ruining someone's day (and we are, and even if we weren't, Homura is), do it properly. Enemies, small injuries, et cetera.

(... Actually, there's an argument to be made for making it look like an inside job, hopefully provoking a [hilarious] organizational response more damaging than the loss itself, but that'd require more effort than just going for targets of opportunity. Also, lolethics, or whatever). :V
We're taking the guns because Homura needs them to prepare for Walpurgisnacht. That's more important.

We can't do any meaningful damage by attacking this one place, other than what other people will have to pay for when the Yakuza look to replenish their reserves.

So, yes. If we're to do this, we should do it properly. That'd take a lot of planning, research, joined efforts, reducing collateral damage... Making sure to wreck this one base completely doesn't help.

If we actually want to do this in the future (as a side project, we have more important things to do), we can. We just dump this problem on Oriko's lap and have her plan how to get rid of the Yakuza. Then, we, Mami and whichever other megucas we get in on this carry out our anti-Yakuza plot.

It's not something we can do right now.
 
We're taking the guns because Homura needs them to prepare for Walpurgisnacht. That's more important.

We can't do any meaningful damage by attacking this one place, other than what other people will have to pay for when the Yakuza look to replenish their reserves.

So, yes. If we're to do this, we should do it properly. That'd take a lot of planning, research, joined efforts, reducing collateral damage... Making sure to wreck this one base completely doesn't help.

If we actually want to do this in the future (as a side project, we have more important things to do), we can. We just dump this problem on Oriko's lap and have her plan how to get rid of the Yakuza. Then, we, Mami and whichever other megucas we get in on this carry out our anti-Yakuza plot.

It's not something we can do right now.

But we are going to take the guns. We've accepted that there may be some knock-on effects. Doing so is -
1 - It's not that many drugs in the grand scheme of things; they'll get replaced.
- A recoupable loss (but very expensive, in cash and time and manpower),
2 - Retaliation. Most obvious culprits (police or other Yakuza or something) will get blamed.
Innocent people will get caught in the crossfire.
- Extremely provocative, albeit without an obvious culprit (unless we provide one), and
3 - Poking the beehive will shift things around. Shifting around established crime means a lot of pain to everybody close by until business rearranges, stabilizes and resumes normally.
- Potentially, fairly disruptive.
And we're doing it anyway. The only difference between a scenario where we do the minimum necessary damage doing it and one where we go after all targets of opportunity that present themselves is how much disruption we cause - how much time, money, manpower and effort it takes them to resume business as usual afterwards.
 
But we are going to take the guns. We've accepted that there may be some knock-on effects. Doing so is -
- A recoupable loss (but very expensive, in cash and time and manpower),

- Extremely provocative, albeit without an obvious culprit (unless we provide one), and

- Potentially, fairly disruptive.
And we're doing it anyway. The only difference between a scenario where we do the minimum necessary damage doing it and one where we go after all targets of opportunity that present themselves is how much disruption we cause - how much time, money, manpower and effort it takes them to resume business as usual afterwards.
Just... Think this: Every bit of damage we do to them will see retaliation. Disproportionally high retaliation, at that. More damage -> More blind retaliation.

Other people will pay for our actions today.

We don't go after 'targets of opportunity'. We do as little damage as necessary, or we destroy them completely. Doing more damage is always bad unless we're dismantling the whole organization completely, or crippling it utterly.

Hurting the Yakuza to the point that they can't recoup their loses is outside our reach right now, so let's not poke them anymore than necessary.
 
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