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boonerunner said:
My point is that there are narrative reasons to suspect that the witch fight will not be easy. And there are a number of different effects that would prevent Homura's time-stop from working.
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Thing is? If that's the case, about all we can do about is... go there and try to save Sayaka. This all ends with going there, saving Sayaka, and tearing the witch a structurally superfluous new behind. There really ain't much we can do to prep for that. We'd still end up fighting it, and we can make any grief preparations we need when we get there if necessary.
 
Homura knows Elsa Maria. She'd have told us if she had any particularly nasty surprises for us. Feathers may have up[graded her ... in which case Oriko wouldn't know anyway.
 
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I agree with helping Homura, but I disagree with the last part.
>Person blows up your leg
>Saves their life, despite the strain it would cause on her friendships
>Group of meguca in another city go to war
>ignores friends to charge in and save everybody, including the ones that hate her
>has precisely one single wish to get anything she wants
>chooses to get the power that will let her help as many people as possible

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Our goals are noble, but we have made a common habit of talking over people or subtly browbeating them into going with what we say whether or not it's really best for them or what they want. Look at Mami. Look at how we've consistently disrupted several of our friends of their agency because we know what's best of them. Look back at that war you mentioned and how we literally had people voting to rock our allies so we could keep them safe and out of the way because they were inconvenient loads. That fucking happened. A significant amount of voters were gunning for that.

Get the fuck out of here trying to whitewash our mistakes with the purity of our intentions. That's exactly what I'm complaining about.
 
The difference between forcing them to stay out of the action by rocking them and forcing to stay out of the action by less extreme ways really only seems like one of degree to me. It doesn't really matter to me which one happened; it's still Sabrina saying, 'you cannot be trusted to contribute to this; stay out of the way while the grownup handles things.'
 
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Imrix said:
The difference between forcing them to stay out of the action by rocking them and forcing to stay out of the action by less extreme ways really only seems like one of degree to me. It doesn't really matter to me which one happened; it's still Sabrina saying, 'you cannot be trusted to contribute to this; stay out of the way while the grownup handles things.'
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We should have made them dolls to play with while we went on to Set Evertything Right™.
 
We did nothing seriously wrong in Sendai. The result was one we can live with, and if we stomped over the Sendai group's right to get themselves injured/say they helped in passing, I don't think it's worth flagellating ourselves over and I'd vote for it again. Mistakes were made, but nothing really worth doing differently in terms of how we handled our allies.

If the circumstances did call for overruling strangers and browbeating them into going along with our agenda when there are lives on the line, that's exactly what we should do in that situation. No one has ever seriously suggested rocking allies and I'm pretty sure Aura's post is the first time anyone's brought up the idea.

This "But we sidelined them!" seems likely to just make self-loathing and despair more likely for Sabrina next update at a bad time for both.
 
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At least the UG didn't let us sideline them at the end. I mean, it was four of them against Kuvira. They'd be shitty magical girls if they couldn't stop just one, even if she was on a roll. They wouldn't have made it under Akiko and her friend's tax for so long without some skills.
 
You guys are just determined to make Sabrina hate herself aren't you? I don't even know why you guys are even bringing it up again. The majority of people here agree that we should leave for Homura's peace of mind.

And back during that arc, from what I remember only a couple of people were calling them useless and in the way, and they were promptly called out on it by the rest of thread.

Yeah we kind of have a problem with things like that, but we're working on it.

And would it kill you guys to stay civil about this?
 
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The Sendai situation isn't even really important; It's merely a big and memorable symptom of the larger problem of Sabrina not putting her money where her mouth is when she says she's there to support her friends and do things to keep them mentally healthy. She's willing to put them in extremely traumatic and triggering situations because not doing so isn't convenient for her right that minute, and when you say otherwise that's pretty much textbook emotional abuse.

Homura is uncomfortable. SUPER uncomfortable. The why is unimportant. Our needs are unimportant. When someone is having a psychological meltdown, you remove them from the situation until they can calm down, no excuses.
 
...Well, yes, we get Homura out of there because we give a damn about her and she's clearly extremely unhappy about being in the same room as Oriko- whether or not she's having a meltdown. We do that because we're trying to make sure everyone stays happy and friends, because our relationship with her's strained enough as it is, and because we're done here.

That doesn't seem related to the idea that Sabrina puts her friends into traumatic situations out of convenience. I really don't think that's been the case at all, and I'm not sure what you're basing that on.

Anyway, we agree that the IC and best idea for right now is to get twitchy Homura away from Oriko and have that talk with her in the near future.
 
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There's deconstructing Sabrina's actions and then there's dear god what the fuck.


Seriously, the deconstruction bullshit is being taken way too far.
 
Sabrina isn't perfect. She has flaws and problems. However, she recognises that she has problems and tries to work on them. That counts a lot as far as I'm concerned. (Besides, she'd be pretty boring if she was perfect and her being perfect wasn't realistically going to happen as none of us are perfect either)
 
Ohhh.... If we deconstruct her enough, will her brain start to melt and come out of her ears?

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We've almost got a tie in the votes!
[X] Okay, well, I think we know all we can figure out at this point. All that's left is to go save Sayaka.
[X] Say goodbye to Oriko and Kirika, and ask Mami to withdraw her ribbon.
[x] Check Sayaka's home first.
[X] Head off towards the industrial district, find the witch, and start looking for Sayaka around the barrier, then inside.
No. of votes: 8
Gadjo, MissingJimbo, Godwinson, Guilop, Muramasa, EtchedSteel, AnonymousRabbit, aeqnai
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[x] that bandwagon up there. Let's call it Ugomuratachi.
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight
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[X] Okay, well, I think we know all we can figure out at this point. All that's left is to go save Sayaka.
[X] Say goodbye to Oriko and Kirika, and ask Mami to withdraw her ribbon.
[x] Check Sayaka's home first.
-[X] Assuming we don't find her there, head off towards the industrial district, find the witch, and start looking for Sayaka around the barrier, then inside.
No. of votes: 9
Silver, Ugolino, Aranfan, Sereg, Kai Merah, PhantomFractions, defenestrator, Kelirapc, noahgab1133
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It seems our opinions are pretty divided on which course of action to take, but blue aesthetics and the extra conditional makes it.
 
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