chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
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[q] Grouphug teh Oriko
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[q] Grouphug teh Oriko
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
OK, I'm not up to date on Ojou related manners, but do we need to ask Kirika permission if we want to hug her Ojou?
I think the theory is that one of the precogs is receiving information that tells her it's a good idea to visit the site and leave a mundane feather.
Path step 1271: Fight this goose and pluck some of its feathers. (Contessa: "Why, you ask? I don't have a fucking clue anymore.")
Path step 1837: Visit this warehouse between a certain time period [corresponding to when Sabrina is offline] and place one feather in this location, with an invisibility effect set to cancel at a certain moment (when the barrier is collapsed).
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I have vague memories of a discussion on Oriko's various motivations changing from loop to loop, and that she actually gets stronger when she realizes that her reason for being isn't her foresight or saving the world; her reason for being was sitting right next to her all along, she's just been too fatalistic and/or thinking about it too hard to see it.
Again, rather vague memories of secondhand information, but if it's accurate it might be something usable.
Again, rather vague memories of secondhand information, but if it's accurate it might be something usable.
Muramasa
Best Girl
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How's this?
[] One moment. Offer cleansing to everyone.
[] Try to get Oriko to calm down. Point out to her that she warned us. Because she did, we can still intervene. And we'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first.
-[] Once everyone's calmed down a bit, ask Oriko if this resembles the future she was trying to prevent. If yes, then in what ways?
-[] Is that the reason she asked us to come here? Was there anything else she couldn't talk about in telepathy?
--[] Listen to Oriko.
[] If Oriko has nothing that requires an immediate response:
-[] Ask Oriko if any of this can impact our plans to save Sayaka. She takes priority.
-[] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[] Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
[] See if Homura and/or Mami have any questions.
How's this?
[] One moment. Offer cleansing to everyone.
[] Try to get Oriko to calm down. Point out to her that she warned us. Because she did, we can still intervene. And we'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first.
-[] Once everyone's calmed down a bit, ask Oriko if this resembles the future she was trying to prevent. If yes, then in what ways?
-[] Is that the reason she asked us to come here? Was there anything else she couldn't talk about in telepathy?
--[] Listen to Oriko.
[] If Oriko has nothing that requires an immediate response:
-[] Ask Oriko if any of this can impact our plans to save Sayaka. She takes priority.
-[] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[] Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
[] See if Homura and/or Mami have any questions.
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Not every one of them seems useful, but...
-[ ] "So, does this look like the situation you prevented?"
or
-[ ] "Have you foreseen this situation before?"
(Latter vagueness being kinda preferable for vote that doesn't want to disclose our avian Benefactor.)
Tbh if and only if she doesn't mention it/mentions it and is not obvious how,otherwise I kinda want to leave it for next vote. Because Oriko has and needs ability to act, so giving her the respect, pause and time for it is nice - she has previously surprised us a bit by acting of her own volition, after all.
Feels like fits under the above too.
Hopefully we wouldn't be making plans before we've heard all that she offers, but if it is "going in 10 seconds" precog check on success is always nice.
Given that Kirika is right there? Iii'd say it might not be fitting, yes.
We need to reassure Oriko, put it in familiar ways, show off that there isn't a failure and that she still matters.
I'd offer grief tea, but...we don't know whether that is safe to drink.
Maybe making actual tea might not be a bad idea, though.
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[X] Tell Oriko about the feather. Show her the feather.
Just. Generally. Can we minimize bad communication drama, please?
Just. Generally. Can we minimize bad communication drama, please?
@Muramasa
Sorry, wasn't able to compose a vote-form suggestion because I was also at work.
Your take is more or less fine. We perhaps should try a slightly different tack to calm Oriko, because it seems to me the likely reason she's freaking out is this is basically the situation she thought she already averted. So yes, saving Sayaka and stopping the witch is great, but the idea that yes, we can still intervene and re-avert the situation, and that just because one plan didn't work doesn't mean we can't adapt, and that she can rely on us to deal with this and to continue to deal with future surprises, and that our powers are tools we use, but they can't solve every problem, and it's our actions and those of others that matter. Well, not all of those, but you get the gist.
Something along the general lines of:
[] Try to get Oriko to calm down. Point out to her that she warned us. Because she did, we can still intervene. And we'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first.
Sorry, wasn't able to compose a vote-form suggestion because I was also at work.
Your take is more or less fine. We perhaps should try a slightly different tack to calm Oriko, because it seems to me the likely reason she's freaking out is this is basically the situation she thought she already averted. So yes, saving Sayaka and stopping the witch is great, but the idea that yes, we can still intervene and re-avert the situation, and that just because one plan didn't work doesn't mean we can't adapt, and that she can rely on us to deal with this and to continue to deal with future surprises, and that our powers are tools we use, but they can't solve every problem, and it's our actions and those of others that matter. Well, not all of those, but you get the gist.
Something along the general lines of:
[] Try to get Oriko to calm down. Point out to her that she warned us. Because she did, we can still intervene. And we'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
On the subject of Witch!foods:
Cells take nutrients from food and use them to build things, like more cells. Witch food would work exactly, down to the last and tiniest particle, like real food, with two-ish real caveats that I can think of.
The first is that it just turns into grief when it leaves our radius, and suddenly all these cells that grew assuming that they and the cells next to them had those nutrients now are not only without them, but they are also both covered and filled with a corrosive gas.
Conclusion from this: nobody but us can eat Witch!food safely, and we can only do it because our meat puppet is in our radius whenever we have anything to say about it.
The second is that Witch!food feels witchy, which makes other megucas uneasy. The more W!food we eat, the more of our body will be made out of Grief, and the more intense I suspect that this will become.
Conclusion: what with the continual lose of biological material due to the shedding of dead cells and such, we'd lose our normal cells, assuming that we didn't go back to eating normal foods, which means eventually we'd have a body made entirely out of grief, and at that point we might as well just get a spider tattoo and speak in the second person, or get a fancy purple hat and add lilly to the end of our name.
Eating W!food is something we can do safely, but only if we don't mind healing ourselves when we try to get the grief out. Same with any Witchcraft that involves adding to our body, such as the rod of healing. It'd work fine for as long as we wanted it to, but it's still not technically actually healing anybody but us, and I'm only counting us because we control grief the same way we control our body.
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Once being witched is a temporary state the witchbomb loses much of its oomph. Granted, it can't be easy for her to deal with the fact that the things she's been killing used to be magical girls, but at least she shouldn't tetris.
According to the wiki, Urobuchi described it as "originally a single witch" before the conglomerating happened, so I think we'd get the meguca from that original witch.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
So the moe anthropomorphization of Walpurgisnacht with the dominant personality of the original meguca? Regardless of who she used to be, purifying Walpurgisnacht won't just make all those other souls in the gestalt go away, you know...
Muramasa
Best Girl
That line looks fine to me. If you don't mind, I'll be using it.
Anyway vote changed to this:
[X] Tell Oriko about the feather. Show her the feather.
Eh, works for me.
Didn't Firn have words to say on brevity before? Or at least something on not making massively huge and/or complex votes?
Edit: I mean, this stuff is probably still fine, but they have been inching their way back up.
Eh, works for me.
Didn't Firn have words to say on brevity before? Or at least something on not making massively huge and/or complex votes?
Edit: I mean, this stuff is probably still fine, but they have been inching their way back up.
Muramasa
Best Girl
No he didn't actually. In fact if it's not in the vote, Firn doesn't always write based on our assumptions.
I think the point of brevity in a vote is not brevity so to speak, but succinct clarity. In other words and in my personal opinion, brevity itself is not the goal.
[x] Muramasa
[x] Muramasa
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[x] One moment. Offer cleansing to everyone.
[x] Try to get Oriko to calm down. Point out to her that she warned us. Because she did, we can still intervene. And we'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first.
-[x] Once everyone's calmed down a bit, ask Oriko if this resembles the future she was trying to prevent. If yes, then in what ways?
--[x] Has she seen anything else similar to this situation before?
-[x] Where there any other reasons she asked us to come here? Was there anything else she couldn't talk about in telepathy?
--[x] Listen to Oriko.
[x] If Oriko has nothing that requires an immediate response:
-[x] Ask Oriko if any of this can impact our plans to save Sayaka. She takes priority.
-[x] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[x] I couldn't contact her. Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[x] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
---[x] Are Madoka and Hitomi okay?
[x] When your vision changed, did anything strange occur?
[x] You said that this is impossible. Why? Does it just not match with your visions or did Sayaka teleport or something?
[x] Could someone or something be interfering with your visions? Maybe even giving you false ones?
[x] You've mentioned times that your vision was blocked before. Is this time the same as those other times, or different?
[x] I think I have an idea about what might've been involved in your visions changing, but I don't know much and I want to rescue Sayaka before we discuss that. As long as we're careful, we should be fine.
[x] What should we do if we come across something that might be blocking your visions?
[x] Is there anything else we need to know? You said that you needed to see us in person instead of just using telepathy
[x] See if Homura and/or Mami have any questions.
[x] If Sayaka is supposed to be at home, then we should go and see if she's really not there to find out if your visions are still working properly and you're not being deceived.
[x] There are things I want to discuss, but I want to make sure that Sayaka is safe first.
Our Benefactor pt. 24
Mami and Homura are both looking to you, waiting for you to make a move, though Homura admittedly looks more impatient than anything, fingers flexing slowly, tension strung taut in her jaw. Mami... is anxious, and worried, her grip almost crushing on your fingers. Probably literally crushing but for the fact that you're a puella magi.
Oriko too is staring at you, her breaths shallow and fast. There's obvious strain on her face, and a pained wince squeezing her eyes nearly shut.
Your frown deepens. You don't get what's happening here. Did the present... change, when you made that Barrier? But it's the second time you made it. Nothing happened the first time. And there's the Feather. You're not sure when you'd mentally assigned it a capital letter, but there it is.
It's too much of a coincidence.
You take a deep breath and blow it out, trying to center yourself. "OK, OK," you say, holding up your hands. "First things first, Soul Gem cleanses, everyone. We have... time to spare." You gesture around at the timestop.
Mami gives you a wan smile before tilting her head towards you, presenting her flower shaped Soul Gem, glinting a warm gold. The same colour as her eyes. Homura's expression doesn't shift, but she lifts her hand towards you, the amethyst of her Soul Gem a brilliant echo of her faded lilac eyes.
"My Soul Gem is with Kirika," Oriko observes.
... wait.
Your hand, rising in a habitual gesture to cleanse Mami's and Homura's Soul Gems, pauses midair. You squint around at the grey hues of the timestop, and more importantly, at Kirika, just visible down the corridor. Frozen. You look back at Oriko, who simply frowns at you.
"Go on, then," you mutter, frowning at the seer. You can see Homura's jaw tighten for a moment, the muscles jumping. Her fingers whiten on the grip of her pistol.
Oriko nods, giving Homura a wary look before heading off to get Kirika.
"Hey, Oriko!" you hear Kirika calling a moment later. "Oh, this again. Hi, Sabrina!" She bounces into the living room, dragging Oriko by their joined hands. Homura's gaze locks on to the black haired girl, gun hand twitching.
"Hi, Kirika," you say. "Soul Gems, if you please?"
"Gotcha!" she chirps, producing her and Oriko's Soul Gems, clinking together. It takes only a sliver of attention for you to tug free the corruption bubbling in all the Soul Gems. It wisps into the air and flows out of the room, slinking along to join the main mass of Grief you'd left outside.
Oriko sighs, shaking her head. "This shouldn't have happened," she repeats herself.
"Oriko," you say. "OK, maybe your predictions were wrong. But you warned us, so... we can still intervene. We'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first."
Oriko shakes herself, a shudder running through her body. Kirika gives her a concerned look, slinging an arm around her waist and hugging her close. "You don't understand," she says. "It's... it's wrong. You-" she jabs a finger at you. "Things change when you act. This. The future is truncated and..." she waves her hand in the air, trying to find the word. "Spliced."
"Is it like the future you were trying to prevent?" you ask, darting a look at Homura. The time traveller's frown is deepening slowly as she watches Oriko.
Oriko hisses out a breath, her eyes twitching sideways in a lightning fast glance at Mami. "Yes. No. Yes, if you mean it bears similarities in action but not in form," she says.
"In action but not in form?" you ask slowly. "So... similar manner of occurrence?" Were there feathers?
Oriko nods slightly. "Yes."
You frown again. "So is that all? Was there anything you couldn't you tell me over telepathy?"
The seer grimaces. "I don't want the Incubator to know more than he should."
Homura's eyes snap to the seer, staring at Oriko. Sea green eyes meet faded purple ones and hold each other's gaze.
"Sabrina?" Mami asks, looking at you. "What... what are you talking about?"
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Oriko too is staring at you, her breaths shallow and fast. There's obvious strain on her face, and a pained wince squeezing her eyes nearly shut.
Your frown deepens. You don't get what's happening here. Did the present... change, when you made that Barrier? But it's the second time you made it. Nothing happened the first time. And there's the Feather. You're not sure when you'd mentally assigned it a capital letter, but there it is.
It's too much of a coincidence.
You take a deep breath and blow it out, trying to center yourself. "OK, OK," you say, holding up your hands. "First things first, Soul Gem cleanses, everyone. We have... time to spare." You gesture around at the timestop.
Mami gives you a wan smile before tilting her head towards you, presenting her flower shaped Soul Gem, glinting a warm gold. The same colour as her eyes. Homura's expression doesn't shift, but she lifts her hand towards you, the amethyst of her Soul Gem a brilliant echo of her faded lilac eyes.
"My Soul Gem is with Kirika," Oriko observes.
... wait.
Your hand, rising in a habitual gesture to cleanse Mami's and Homura's Soul Gems, pauses midair. You squint around at the grey hues of the timestop, and more importantly, at Kirika, just visible down the corridor. Frozen. You look back at Oriko, who simply frowns at you.
"Go on, then," you mutter, frowning at the seer. You can see Homura's jaw tighten for a moment, the muscles jumping. Her fingers whiten on the grip of her pistol.
Oriko nods, giving Homura a wary look before heading off to get Kirika.
"Hey, Oriko!" you hear Kirika calling a moment later. "Oh, this again. Hi, Sabrina!" She bounces into the living room, dragging Oriko by their joined hands. Homura's gaze locks on to the black haired girl, gun hand twitching.
"Hi, Kirika," you say. "Soul Gems, if you please?"
"Gotcha!" she chirps, producing her and Oriko's Soul Gems, clinking together. It takes only a sliver of attention for you to tug free the corruption bubbling in all the Soul Gems. It wisps into the air and flows out of the room, slinking along to join the main mass of Grief you'd left outside.
Oriko sighs, shaking her head. "This shouldn't have happened," she repeats herself.
"Oriko," you say. "OK, maybe your predictions were wrong. But you warned us, so... we can still intervene. We'll figure out why things changed, but Sayaka's safety comes first."
Oriko shakes herself, a shudder running through her body. Kirika gives her a concerned look, slinging an arm around her waist and hugging her close. "You don't understand," she says. "It's... it's wrong. You-" she jabs a finger at you. "Things change when you act. This. The future is truncated and..." she waves her hand in the air, trying to find the word. "Spliced."
"Is it like the future you were trying to prevent?" you ask, darting a look at Homura. The time traveller's frown is deepening slowly as she watches Oriko.
Oriko hisses out a breath, her eyes twitching sideways in a lightning fast glance at Mami. "Yes. No. Yes, if you mean it bears similarities in action but not in form," she says.
"In action but not in form?" you ask slowly. "So... similar manner of occurrence?" Were there feathers?
Oriko nods slightly. "Yes."
You frown again. "So is that all? Was there anything you couldn't you tell me over telepathy?"
The seer grimaces. "I don't want the Incubator to know more than he should."
Homura's eyes snap to the seer, staring at Oriko. Sea green eyes meet faded purple ones and hold each other's gaze.
"Sabrina?" Mami asks, looking at you. "What... what are you talking about?"
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...We never did fully fill Mami in on feathers and Oriko's rationale, did we?
Feathers is starting to look uncomfortably like Dedolere, with both being ontological threats
[] Tell Mami about feathers. The feathers are somehow linked to the threat that Oriko was trying to prevent before. The "something bigger than Walpurgisnact" that was why she was doing what she was. Say you're sorry for forgetting to tell her before now. Ask if Oriko has anything she wants to add.
-[]Ask Oriko about how it truncates and splices the future. What does that even mean? Spliced from what?
-[]We saw a feather earlier, around the same time Oriko did.
-[]Reassure Mami, then Oriko. Whatever it is, we can stop it together, just by knowing it exists. Oriko's given us enough warning to counter it, even if it's interfering with her visions. The five of us can definitely do something about it by working together.
Feathers is starting to look uncomfortably like Dedolere, with both being ontological threats
[] Tell Mami about feathers. The feathers are somehow linked to the threat that Oriko was trying to prevent before. The "something bigger than Walpurgisnact" that was why she was doing what she was. Say you're sorry for forgetting to tell her before now. Ask if Oriko has anything she wants to add.
-[]Ask Oriko about how it truncates and splices the future. What does that even mean? Spliced from what?
-[]We saw a feather earlier, around the same time Oriko did.
-[]Reassure Mami, then Oriko. Whatever it is, we can stop it together, just by knowing it exists. Oriko's given us enough warning to counter it, even if it's interfering with her visions. The five of us can definitely do something about it by working together.
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Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Do you think that convincing Mami will require a detailed explanation? Timestop is nice because it takes away the time urgency, but I also don't feel like it's a good idea to spend a long, long time on a divergence into convincing Homura and Mami that Oriko's on the level.
Also, that look between Homura and Oriko just now was significant.
Chillax yo. Is a manageable thing.
Not really. This is just us giving Mami the cliff notes explanation way back when we stopped Oriko, and forgetting to give her the details. I don't see this as an emergency.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
No exaggeration. We told Mami Oriko was trying to avert a bigger threat. So we tell her that, by the time we beat her she was satisfied with the future she could see, sure that she had done her part, but now it seems her work is undone all of a sudden, and this threat is acting in a way Oriko was sure she had prevented.
And what's that about the future being 'truncated, spliced'? Are there two futures running righ now?
EDIT: One future where Oriko's actions helped and one where they suddenly don't?
And what's that about the future being 'truncated, spliced'? Are there two futures running righ now?
EDIT: One future where Oriko's actions helped and one where they suddenly don't?
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