I'm probably alone in this, but..

Is Sabrina even a human being? Nevermind that she is determined to be 'good' to an occasionally nauseating degree. Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time? Does she like it? Not like it? Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey? Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"? Doesn't she have any vices? How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"? Does she have any trigger issues? No?

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?

This quest has a lot of strong points, dont get me wrong. Great fights, interesting premise and story, neat OC's and powers, overall good characterization of canon characters, etc. However I find the portrayal of Sabrina to be very two dimensional and 'Sue' so far. You can be a person one hundred percent committed to doing good while still feeling like a real person, with flaws and insecurities and mistakes with real consequences that make a character feel human. I'm thinking Harry Dresden, Bruce Wayne, the heroes in Worm, hell even someone like Son Goku occasionally had moments of overblown arrogance and terrifying murderrage.

Now given that Sabrina is possibly a consequence of Madoka's wish to fix everything then maybe she's not a person to begin with and is instead some kind of super-fixer magic golem or something. Still that seems like an unsatisfying explanation and probably not what was intended

I just want to see Sabrina show other more human/flawed sides to her rather than just relentlessly munchkining down the Paragon path towards the "good ending".
 
I'm probably alone in this, but..

Is Sabrina even a human being? Nevermind that she is determined to be 'good' to an occasionally nauseating degree. Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time? Does she like it? Not like it? Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey? Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"? Doesn't she have any vices? How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"? Does she have any trigger issues? No?

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?

This quest has a lot of strong points, dont get me wrong. Great fights, interesting premise and story, neat OC's and powers, overall good characterization of canon characters, etc. However I find the portrayal of Sabrina to be very two dimensional and 'Sue' so far. You can be a person one hundred percent committed to doing good while still feeling like a real person, with flaws and insecurities and mistakes with real consequences that make a character feel human. I'm thinking Harry Dresden, Bruce Wayne, the heroes in Worm, hell even someone like Son Goku occasionally had moments of overblown arrogance and terrifying murderrage.

Now given that Sabrina is possibly a consequence of Madoka's wish to fix everything then maybe she's not a person to begin with and is instead some kind of super-fixer magic golem or something. Still that seems like an unsatisfying explanation and probably not what was intended

I just want to see Sabrina show other more human/flawed sides to her rather than just relentlessly munchkining down the Paragon path towards the "good ending".
Oh fantastic there's a new Yandere Quest. It was such a shame when the last one stopped updating.

Anyway, the only way Sabrina could get depressed is if the majority of the thread got depressed. So maybe nuclear winter? Regardless, I can't even convince people to pursue a different type of good than the most obvious one, so good luck trying to convince people to go angsty.
 
I'm probably alone in this, but..

Is Sabrina even a human being? Nevermind that she is determined to be 'good' to an occasionally nauseating degree. Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time? Does she like it? Not like it? Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey? Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"? Doesn't she have any vices? How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"? Does she have any trigger issues? No?

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?

This quest has a lot of strong points, dont get me wrong. Great fights, interesting premise and story, neat OC's and powers, overall good characterization of canon characters, etc. However I find the portrayal of Sabrina to be very two dimensional and 'Sue' so far. You can be a person one hundred percent committed to doing good while still feeling like a real person, with flaws and insecurities and mistakes with real consequences that make a character feel human. I'm thinking Harry Dresden, Bruce Wayne, the heroes in Worm, hell even someone like Son Goku occasionally had moments of overblown arrogance and terrifying murderrage.

Now given that Sabrina is possibly a consequence of Madoka's wish to fix everything then maybe she's not a person to begin with and is instead some kind of super-fixer magic golem or something. Still that seems like an unsatisfying explanation and probably not what was intended

I just want to see Sabrina show other more human/flawed sides to her rather than just relentlessly munchkining down the Paragon path towards the "good ending".
Sabrina is exactly as flawed as the majority of voters make her. Sabrina has a history of meddling in other people's business and hiding the truth whenever it would be uncomfortable to reveal it. In the past chapter she straight up lied to Hitomi in order to avoid prevent the discussion from following certain lines. Sabrina is also more interested in living an interesting life than she is in saving the world (i.e. she refuses to take actions that the readers would find boring such as using time-stop or precognition to their maximum possible potential). Sabrina refuses to even consider any action which might be perceived as at all mercenary or anything less than perfectly virtuous, which (paradoxically) limits the amount of good that she can do. Sabrina wears a mask in all situations, never showing the outside world what she really thinks, but only ever showing the face that she wants to be perceived. Sabrina is annoyed (but understanding) about Mami's over-reliance on her. Sabrina cares about her friends (especially Mami) more than she cares about anyone else that she has not met and would sacrifice the world (one small decision at a time) if it meant making her friends happy. If Mami's safety or happiness were at risk, Sabrina would be willing to kill or let people die in order to preserve it.
 
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Sabrina is SV.
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an avatar of SV as guided by the votes and a mind state as given by the thread, in any case.

Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time?
Sadness/sometimes feels it's cute, but then feels bad about it.
Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?
Somewhat yes, somewhat no. Definitely not as long as Mami's limpet.

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey?
Sendai/Asunaro.
Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"?
Control freak/Can't into social/Rushes into things when people need time to calm down/Overconfidence/Can't diplomacy her way out of a paperbag/Very low patience at times, due to time differences IC and OOC.
Doesn't she have any vices?
Science/SCIENCE.
How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"?
Are we really helping the Mami or are we exacerbating her issues?/Generally, the future. Usually acts and puts on a strong face even if we're *SCREAMING INTERNALLY*.
Does she have any trigger issues? No?
Not really.

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?
Major character deaths, maybe. It'd be a somewhat controled sort of rage, though.
 
Sabrina the Totally Radical Wicked non-Wicked Witch?

Sabrina flies over the river on Grief-Wings, doing a skateboard trick as she does so, eventually sticking the landing with an earth-shaking WHUD and grief-speakers saying "Tubular!" in a video-game-announcer-voice.

Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches, Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches, Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches, Heroes in a Soul Gem, GRIEF POWER!
They're the worlds most fearsome fighting team! (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches!) "We're really hip!"
They are heroes in a soul gem, and they're not green! (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches!) "Hey, get a grip!"
When the evil witches attack, these mahou girls don't cut them no slack! (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches! Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches!)
QB made them into Mahou teens! (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches!) "He's a radical cat!"
Sabrina leads, Homura does machines. (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches!) "That's a fact, jack!"
Kyoko's cool, but brute, Kirika is a party dude. "PARTY!" (Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches! Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches! Teenage Mahou Shoujo Witches! Heroes in a Soul Gem, GRIEF POWER!)

We are more Western than the rest of the cast.
And, you know, we're already... Defying gravity.
 
I don't know how much you remember from school, but kids like Kyouske can be really hard to discourage. Sometimes flat out telling em isn't enough. We could get rid of him, but it would take time I'm loath to spend on him. I'm honestly considering asking the koobs the mindwipe him at this point.

It was just another pleasant rooftop lunch with friends when it happened. There I was sharing the story of how I talked down a suicidal, no Witch Kiss oddly enough, salary man off a ledge and convinced him that life was still worth living while enjoying Mami's delicious cooking when my background music suddenly shifted.

Before I could even think of shifting it back the distinct click-clack of the door onto the roof opening echoed out. For a second I thought it was some newly contracted Puella who had somehow hijacked my grief instruments before quickly dismissing the idea since I would have picked them up on my grief senses.

Instead Kyousuke of all people walked into the roof top. I hadn't seen him since healing his hand over a week prior. Apparently he'd been confined to the hospital while they studied his miraculous recovery until today.

The thing that really thew me for a loop however was that he was holding a bouquet of flowers. His eyes scanned over us before settling on me!

My mental reaction was best summed as 'oh hell no!'. Out of the corner of my eye I actually saw Homura turn and smirk at me. Dammit mom! This is not funny in the slightest.

As he approached something even more amazing then my music shifting without command happened. The actual world around the two of us started to shift to a more rosy color and Sakura petals started blowing through the air. Which should be impossible since they don't actually start blossoming here until the 7th!

"Sabrina." Kyousuke spoke in a way I had never heard him before. It was a surprisingly deep and manly tone for a 13 year old boy.

"Y-yes!?" The word somehow stumbled out of my mouth by accident like I was some kind of Shoujo romance protagonist.

"Will you go out with me!" He spoke the word I'd been dreading him saying, at least to me of all people. He should be saying that to Sayaka! Or Hitomi! Not Me!

I froze. Paralyzed with indecision I could only stare blankly at him. What do I do? What do I say? How do I navigate my way out of this minefield without obliterating the hearts of everyone involved?

In the end I simply said the first thing that came to mind.

"I'm gay."

It's the one solution I just can't see mom Homura trying. Although the mental image is hilarious.

The last of the doctors was wearing a proper suit with a hat and a ridiculous scarf, none of which seemed to match the other -- at least, not without him wearing them.

Whelp. Now we know Homura's disguise. We'll have to pick up some jelly babies along the way though.
 
Major character deaths, maybe. It'd be a somewhat controled sort of rage, though.
Given what I suspect our collective selves would do in such a case (say if, for example, Mumi got killed), 'controlled sort of rage' seems a rather appropriate descriptor.

Considering, y'know, I imagine it would prompt a very long, very detailed write-in with the express purpose of systematically dismantling the one responsible, among other methods. After all, one of Sabrina's big issues she's had in past fights is that we all want to avoid casualties; remove that desire . . .
 
@boonerunner: Somewhat reasonable objections to my vote (though I'd make a few counterpoints), and I probably would have worked on trying to tweak the vote some, but I was long since asleep by the time of your post. Sorry.


So, the Infinity Gauntlet. We know that it can affect other people (since it seemed to affect Oriko). Other people can do healing without the grief getting in the way. It's a boost to innate powers. How about we give the gauntlet to Homura to help boost her healing (since she's already the best of the three of us)?

No, we would not at all be suggesting this as blackmail to find out what happened the last time she healed Kyousuke. Since now we wouldn't have to ask, as we could watch it in person.


Really, though, with an entire group of 6 girls there for the healing, it should short-circuit any romantic attachments. Homura would have done it solo, which gives Kyousuke someone to focus on. With an entire group here, two of whom are good friends of his, it really shouldn't be an issue at all.
 
@boonerunner: Somewhat reasonable objections to my vote (though I'd make a few counterpoints), and I probably would have worked on trying to tweak the vote some, but I was long since asleep by the time of your post. Sorry.


So, the Infinity Gauntlet. We know that it can affect other people (since it seemed to affect Oriko). Other people can do healing without the grief getting in the way. It's a boost to innate powers. How about we give the gauntlet to Homura to help boost her healing (since she's already the best of the three of us)?

No, we would not at all be suggesting this as blackmail to find out what happened the last time she healed Kyousuke. Since now we wouldn't have to ask, as we could watch it in person.


Really, though, with an entire group of 6 girls there for the healing, it should short-circuit any romantic attachments. Homura would have done it solo, which gives Kyousuke someone to focus on. With an entire group here, two of whom are good friends of his, it really shouldn't be an issue at all.
Healing with the Gauntlet's help would have failed almost as bad as with the Staff of Healing. Healing other people needs to be done the slow way.
 
*The power in Kyouske's room suddenly goes out, and the world goes mysteriously greyscale.*
*Sabrina enters the room wearing a doctors coat complete with stethoscope, covered in blood, clipboard in hand.*
Sabrina: "The prognosis for your arm is in, and it's looking grim. There is, however, an experimental treatment that may work."
Kyouske: "Sabrina? How did you get in he-"
Sabrina: "Using a specially formulated blend of misery, sadness, and pure magic, I believe that we can dramatically improve your recovery time."
Kyouske: "You're not a doctor! Why are you-"
Sabrina: "Unfortunatly, prior trials of grief in humans have shown suicidal depression and memory loss as side effects. This will be the first time the treatment was done on unmodified humans."
Kyouske: "Help!! She's crazy!"
Sabrina: "Don't worry, Kwijibo: I already took the liberty of ensuring no one can hear or see us. Now hold still, this will only sting for a moment." *Pulls out bonesaw*

When he comes to, no time has passed, his arm is healed, the power is on, and nobody remembers the power going out.

The next time we see him, we act puzzled and shocked about his arm healing. If he asks, we deny all involvement. Hitomi and Sayaka can vouch that we were somewhere else.

This is a 100% super cereal plan that is both genius and foolproof.
 
I'm probably alone in this, but..

Is Sabrina even a human being? Nevermind that she is determined to be 'good' to an occasionally nauseating degree. Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time? Does she like it? Not like it? Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey? Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"? Doesn't she have any vices? How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"? Does she have any trigger issues? No?

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?

This quest has a lot of strong points, dont get me wrong. Great fights, interesting premise and story, neat OC's and powers, overall good characterization of canon characters, etc. However I find the portrayal of Sabrina to be very two dimensional and 'Sue' so far. You can be a person one hundred percent committed to doing good while still feeling like a real person, with flaws and insecurities and mistakes with real consequences that make a character feel human. I'm thinking Harry Dresden, Bruce Wayne, the heroes in Worm, hell even someone like Son Goku occasionally had moments of overblown arrogance and terrifying murderrage.

Now given that Sabrina is possibly a consequence of Madoka's wish to fix everything then maybe she's not a person to begin with and is instead some kind of super-fixer magic golem or something. Still that seems like an unsatisfying explanation and probably not what was intended

I just want to see Sabrina show other more human/flawed sides to her rather than just relentlessly munchkining down the Paragon path towards the "good ending".

Mami? I read it as returning the attraction, but the fact that right now Mami's in no state for a healthy relationship and guilt over helping drive her to her dependent state's preventing her from reacting to it or doing anything other than a holding pattern of returning affection for fear of making things worse.

Sabrina doesn't really have a history with anyone- blank slate- and came with a set of complete memories about these people at their best and worst. If it ever comes up, my write-in would be that she knows who these people are and thinks they're fundamentally good people who deserved better.

She was downright unnecessarily vicious towards Akiko and still hasn't gone back to try and snap her out of her catatonic state.

We're desperately trying to avoid those kind of mistakes, and more or less succeeding against the odds. We almost had to shoot Oriko. We threatened to witch out Kirika. Sendai was a mess.

We want to fix everything. Everything. We know better. We have the power. Why can't we fix everything?

We hurt Mami. That's not good. We didn't help someone. That's not good. We made things worse. Why? We were trying to help.

They're not listening. Things aren't going the way we wanted them to. Why? We were supposed to fix everything. Why isn't it working? We had a wish that we shouldn't have had the potential for, we had enough power to fix this entire stupid, broken system, so why isn't it working? We know better, we can make it right, so why?

Honestly, with SV at the helm, there are enough inherent character flaws without shooting ourselves in the foot. Yes, I'm pushing for full Paragon...but since Sabrina knows everything about these people in a way that should be completely impossible, and knows for a fact since it's part of the setting that the PMMM main cast is all fundamentally good people caught in a bad system...

One of the main cast dying is probably the point where Sabrina breaks. She's trying to fix everything, yes, but can't really deal with failure. Bonus points for managing to care about Mami, the poster child for early meguca death in the series. If Mami dies, there's a good chance the thread will have her just snap.

And Sabrina's defining character trait is essentially overblown arrogance/a messiah complex.

Given what I suspect our collective selves would do in such a case (say if, for example, Mumi got killed), 'controlled sort of rage' seems a rather appropriate descriptor.

Considering, y'know, I imagine it would prompt a very long, very detailed write-in with the express purpose of systematically dismantling the one responsible, among other methods. After all, one of Sabrina's big issues she's had in past fights is that we all want to avoid casualties; remove that desire . . .
If someone killed Mami, the word "flaying" would probably be part of the next write-in. :confused:
 
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Akiko is in one piece and capable of unaided respiration. That counts as unduly compassionate.
We're trying to save everyone, even stupid brain damaged murderers who think they're being clever by calling in their friends and not taking multiple hints. Besides, killing her would have pretty much made the rest of her team collateral damage since they'd inevitably go after us for revenge.
 
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That doesn't say much considering Magical Healer Rin...

We did smash puny Akiko against the ground several times. Good times.
Laser guided karma at the end. :D

Or a short talk: "Both Sayaka and Hitomi are crushing on you. You deal with that with no broken hearts and I heal your hand. Deal?"
The version I've had kicking around inside my head is fairly similar to SWB'S.

"My one condition? Go talk to your friends. You don't appreciate them enough."
 
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Laser guided karma at the end. :D
That just makes me think there hasn't been an 'end' to that whole Sendai thing yet. We still need to go out and meet the Tokyo girls and the Fukushima girls, we need to make grief cleansing rounds, we might need to check up on Akiko at some point (hopefully they can take care of that)...

And it just so happens that the current chapter title makes me think it'd be a terrible idea to do any of this right now. Procrastination yay!
 
That just makes me think there hasn't been an 'end' to that whole Sendai thing yet. We still need to go out and meet the Tokyo girls and the Fukushima girls, we need to make grief cleansing rounds, we might need to check up on Akiko at some point (hopefully they can take care of that)...

And it just so happens that the current chapter title makes me think it'd be a terrible idea to do any of this right now. Procrastination yay!
Agreed. We need to go there at some point, and we completely forgot to check up on Masami. I think we need to check up on our local duo first. Akiko is a problem we can't really solve right away, but that empath is a good place to start.

I'm probably alone in this, but..

Is Sabrina even a human being? Nevermind that she is determined to be 'good' to an occasionally nauseating degree. Does she have any opinions/reactions to Mami being so obviously all over her all the time? Does she like it? Not like it? Is she attracted to her? Not attracted? Is she unsure/confused?

Is there anyone or anything she dislikes other than Kyubey? Does she have any flaws other than "being too good"? Doesn't she have any vices? How about insecurities more realistic than "could I have been any more good somehow"? Does she have any trigger issues? No?

Could anything drive Sabrina into a catastrophic depression? Into murderous rage (with actual murder)?

This quest has a lot of strong points, dont get me wrong. Great fights, interesting premise and story, neat OC's and powers, overall good characterization of canon characters, etc. However I find the portrayal of Sabrina to be very two dimensional and 'Sue' so far. You can be a person one hundred percent committed to doing good while still feeling like a real person, with flaws and insecurities and mistakes with real consequences that make a character feel human. I'm thinking Harry Dresden, Bruce Wayne, the heroes in Worm, hell even someone like Son Goku occasionally had moments of overblown arrogance and terrifying murderrage.

Now given that Sabrina is possibly a consequence of Madoka's wish to fix everything then maybe she's not a person to begin with and is instead some kind of super-fixer magic golem or something. Still that seems like an unsatisfying explanation and probably not what was intended

I just want to see Sabrina show other more human/flawed sides to her rather than just relentlessly munchkining down the Paragon path towards the "good ending".
Forgot to say this, but welcome aboard!
 
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