Wait, did we ever check that rosebush we uprooted at Oriko's?
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
No, it's just that...
...Seemingly I come here to get punched in the gut.... yes?
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I love how surprised and minorly freaked out Homura seems to be about our enthusiastic response to the whole stocking up thing.
We definetely have to talk more about what's considered normal for magical girl magic with Mami.
There seems to be a lot of untapped potential for new applications and it may even answer some questions we have, about the limitations of our grief magic.
We definetely have to talk more about what's considered normal for magical girl magic with Mami.
There seems to be a lot of untapped potential for new applications and it may even answer some questions we have, about the limitations of our grief magic.
We did. It was still uprooted.
Huh. Homura also has a 100m range (and made a big deal about how only witches had ranges longer than that), so I thought that was an intrinsic property of all soul gems. Or maybe soul gem range is always 100m (and works as a maximum upper bound), but sensing/enchanting range is usually shorter.
Perhaps not, but it might be doable if a team of magical doctors were willing to work together for it.
So at some later date when we establish the Best Exotic Mamigold Hotel, would it be appropriate to ask him for financial assistance, knowing that he would feel obligated to help due to his healing?
How is the length of our manipulation range (100m) arbitrary? Unless I am completely remembering it wrong, wasn't the soul gem's "body communication" range around 100m?
OK, maybe that our manipulation range shares the soul gem "control" range may be strange for magical girls, but the range itself seems at least seems to come from something.
OK, maybe that our manipulation range shares the soul gem "control" range may be strange for magical girls, but the range itself seems at least seems to come from something.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
In the short term there are.... a lot of problems that we're likely to encounter that throwing money at can help with. Meet a meguca who's homeless and probably going to spiral because of it? Toss her a few thousand. Under attack by people who won't see reason? Bribe the crap out them. Sendai situation repeats itself somewhere else? Offer all sides a thousands of pounds to stop fighting. Therapy for Akiko. Fixing up Kyouko's church. Fixing Sayaka's place (secretly). Avarice can solve many problems. Having a large pile of cash gives us options we did not have before, it gives us a greater chance of achieving our goals.
It's just useful. It may not always be the best option, but sometimes it will be. Besides, I like the idea of suddenly showering needy people in cash on a whim.
In the longer term, the whole meguca hotel thing we're eventually doing will need money to save all those girls.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Arbitrary, in the sense that it's unusual for alien space magic to conform to a nice multiple of 10 of an entirely earth based unit. I mean, maybe it's actually 98.37372 meters or something and we're rounding it, but it seems unlikely that such a range occurred naturally.
The body communication range is arbitrary in itself (why 100m specifically?). That our overall magical control shares the body control range is another mystery, and one that we would like to know the why of, given that Mami says magical control can go beyond 100m.
p much
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
What?
No, we were talking about magic range. Not that we've ever managed enchantment, so we haven't tested whether our 'normal' magic range is the same as our 'Sabrina' magic range.
Mind that we already knew that other girls' magical effects can travel outside their soul range, for example: Sasami/Ramiel outranges us with her light attacks. Meanwhile, our 'witchy' blaster couldn't shoot outside our range.
...
But, obviously, our powers only work inside our barrier.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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We still run into the problem of being unable to advertise our services. If that team of magical doctors were to actually work in a real hospital that'd be another matter. Not sure how that'd interact with the masquerade, though, and getting rid of that is not a near-term objective.
His financial assistance is unlikely to be a significant fraction of operating costs. If it somehow is that's great, but his contribution would probably be more valuable if he provides the occasional evening entertainment or something.
Her timestop appears to be a universal effect.
If free cleansing doesn't work money sure as shit won't.
Maybe our units came from the aliens and filtered out from magical girls to the general population. I wonder if Kyuubey has a one meter earspan.
Or soul gems are designed for the user and the range varies based on the local planet's length units?
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But, obviously, our powers only work inside our barrier.
Well, you say that as a joke, but it got me thinking.
Hypothesis:
We control grief in the same way a soul controls a body. Every time we've observed grief under our control, the magic looks visually identical to the magic a soul gem uses to control a body. It also then makes sense why grief follows us into timestop. The out-of-range issue also makes complete sense, much like the body collapses to its natural physical state as a corpse with no strings, the grief collapses/disperses to its natural state with no magic strings to regulate it.
Our wish for absolute control of grief necessitates this function, probably, much in the same way a soul gem can completely puppet a body.
Which could possibly also be the same way a witch controls her core mass, or her entire barrier? We'd have to take a better look at an active witch to figure this out.
I guess the question is, since the control methods are identical, can grief under our control be considered part of our body?
Which, I might add, means that if we use regular magic like enchantment, we should be able to use it to "normal" magical girl ranges, whatever those are, and it won't be restricted to 100m.
Well...
It sounds to me like Mami tried to make herself
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
"The point is ladies ... that greed, for lack of a better word, is good."
This is science worth doing. *nodnod*
Like Grief hair extensions.
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NO extortion or emotional blackmail. Can we let it drop already? No one at all thinks this is a good idea, it's utterly unnecessary and unhelpful...and money is the last of our concerns right now. Stop trying to steal money from NPCs that can't afford it and are in bad situations. It's out of character and all around useless.
[]Catch up to the others.
[] See how Kyosuke is doing. If he seems dejected, encourage Sayaka to talk to him.
[]Make sure he isn't in despair when we leave.
[]Maybe something traditional for dinner?
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I don't think that asking Kyubey why a soul gem can only control bodies to 100m is actually a problematic question.
He'll probably give us a non-answer, but it's as safe a question as we can ask.
He'll probably give us a non-answer, but it's as safe a question as we can ask.
Also, do our best Marlon Brando voice and see if anyone gets the reference.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Not entirely related, but this reminds me of something: I'd guess this must have been speculated at some point, but whenever we enter a Barrier, we feel 'wrong'; that's likely because the fact that all that grief is in control of something else, the Witch, flies in the face of our wish.
Now, we control 'grief'. Not souls, both times we poked what's likely a soul, when we poked Hildegarde and tried to control a familiar, we got mind crushed. I know we've said we won't try again, but maybe we can control familiars by bodyjacking them, using their grief body as our puppet, instead of trying to change the 'owner' of their 'souls'?
That 'underlying intelligence' would be Incubators, right?
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We probably could, but it wouldn't get us anywhere with range or autonomity, which seem to me the main end goals of to attempting playing with familiars.
100 meters is arbitrary (and geocentric), but something like "1/400,000 of the circumference of the planet you're on and/or from" is slightly less arbitrary (not being geocentric).
So, are we going to procrastinate on the discussion of healing Kyosuke again?
I know we don't have much time before we meet Nagisa, but can we at least start on this topic?
If we are avoiding it because we are still not sure what to say, what about the other topic, whether to reveal MGs to Hitomi? That one still has some debate too, but not nearly as much as the healing Kyosuke topic.
BTW, we couldn't talked about it over lunch even if we wanted to, as Hitomi was there, and Sayaka doesn't seem to be able to hold two conversations at once (one physical, one telepathic) nearly as well as we can.
I know we don't have much time before we meet Nagisa, but can we at least start on this topic?
If we are avoiding it because we are still not sure what to say, what about the other topic, whether to reveal MGs to Hitomi? That one still has some debate too, but not nearly as much as the healing Kyosuke topic.
BTW, we couldn't talked about it over lunch even if we wanted to, as Hitomi was there, and Sayaka doesn't seem to be able to hold two conversations at once (one physical, one telepathic) nearly as well as we can.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
One way to test if grief we control counts as part of our body, is to have Homura hold one of our grief marbles before going into time stop.
Of course, first we'd need to see if we get brought into the timestop if our gem is not touching our body while Homura is touching us.
Of course, first we'd need to see if we get brought into the timestop if our gem is not touching our body while Homura is touching us.
Now seems a good time to spill the beans to Hitomi, actually. Talk it over with Mami first?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Contact with grief doesn't pull people into timestop, even if we're in timestop, just as contact with a Soul Gem doesn't pull the Gem's owner into timestop.