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Ugolino said:
I dunno, I'd rather deal with Kyouko as Kyouko rather than "prospective test subject #1"
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Likewise. There doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason to turn this into a push for more SCIENCE. Beyond that, I'd sort of rather avoid that simply for the fact that it gives us more of an excuse for more contact with Kyouko, whereas the empty seed is sort of, "Here you go; I shouldn't have to talk to you again for another year."
 
Again, though: if we offer grief seed cleansing to Kyoko, and she brings up the "full seeds become witches" bit, we could just shoot back with "I live 5 minutes away and I'm an unemployed truant. I can find the time to come and clean it the same day."
 
Had some time to think this over. Going to bow out of this one. I would have preferred to keep Homura's seed for sentimental reasons but Kyouko's and Yuma's apparent desperation very much supercedes that.

Bleh. I blame my cold. It's making me not think.
 
Heck ,we could just plop Hildegard in front of Oriko and ask her if it does anything weird if she uses it for the next week.
 
Muramasa said:
Had some time to think this over. Going to bow out of this one. I would have preferred to keep Homura's seed for sentimental reasons but Kyouko's and Yuma's apparent desperation very much supercedes that.

Bleh. I blame my cold. It's making me not think.
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Crap, Mom's seed is our only unaltered subject isn't it? I hadn't even consider that. I'd like to hold onto it for sentimental purposes, too, but I'd rather hand them an unaltered seed, and I don't wan to leave them with nothing.
 
boonerunner said:
The two aren't mutually exclusive. If she is the subject of an experiment, that would give us the opportunity to interact with her (and have a chance to befriend her) more frequently than if she is merely one of our charity projects.
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhh. I'd rather just befriend her and skip the gratuitous science since it doesn't really help with the goal and is completely unnecessary. We can interact with her as much as we want without it.
 
[x]Your big sis and Mami were friends but parted on bad terms. I think she's angry at Kyubey.
[x]Try and get through lunch without any further trauma. Find something upbeat to talk about. Ask how they're doing, and ask Yuma how she feels about cheese.
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay via telepathy.
[x]Mention that Sendai's been resolved.
[x]Offer a regular grief seed. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
-[x] Check the name of Homura's seed before handing it over.
-[x] If she presses us for a reason, restate what we said during our first meeting about just wanting to help megucas.
[x]Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?

Basically Ugo's vote with the masking but removed. Wording could probably use some more work, but I'm not exactly thinking straight right now. Just posting this up before I clonk out.
 
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All this aside, the part I actually have a problem with is the frustratingly vague 'ask her if she's ok'. Like, we could ask her if taking care of Yuma has been going ok, or ask her what she's angry about, or ask her if she's been taking care of herself, or any number of things that aren't a vague concern that begets no real response.
 
Krecart said:
Why not just swap out Hildy or Aurora for Gwen next we go see Bucket Hat?
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This is the best plan (if we aren't going to give Kyouko and Yuma a clear seed). We see Oriko almost as much as we see Homura and Oriko has the advantage of advance warning in case something does go wrong.

Gadjo said:
Crap, Mom's seed is our only unaltered subject isn't it? I hadn't even consider that. I'd like to hold onto it for sentimental purposes, too, but I'd rather hand them an unaltered seed, and I don't wan to leave them with nothing.
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We also have Irene. It's not completely unaltered (we've withdrawn excess grief from it), but we've never completely cleared it so it's still basically an ordinary grief seed.

Ugolino said:
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh. I'd rather just befriend her and skip the gratuitous science since it doesn't really help with the goal and is completely unnecessary. We can interact with her as much as we want without it.
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Kyouko is resistant to interaction. Science! would give us a good reason to push things along a bit.
 
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[X] Ugolino
No. of votes: 1
aeqnai

[X] To Yuma: Mami is my mentor and she was also Kyouko's mentor. They had a falling out a while ago, but I hope that they can be friends again eventually. I can't say for sure, but I suspect that Kyouko is angry for the same reason that I'm angry: Kyuubey hurt our friend.
[X] Ask Yuma how she has been doing and how she likes her new magical powers. It's a good thing to talk about and it should distract Kyouko a bit.
[X] Tell them that we've been experimenting with grief seeds and found that we can pull out more grief from it so that it can last a lot longer.
-[X] Warn of the danger of putting clear seeds near normal witch seeds.
-[X] Ask if they would be willing to test one for us.
--[X] If they accept, remind them that it is experimental and ask them to contact us immediately if they notice anything odd about the clear seed.
--[X] Say that we'd like to come back in a few days to check on them.
[X] Inform them about the end of the Sendai conflict.
-[X] Including the 3:2 grief seed exchange.
--[X] We need more grief seeds for experimentation. As long as the clear seeds work out, offer to trade partially full grief seeds in exchange for clear seeds at a rate of 3:2.
[X] Ask about any other magical girls in Kasamino.
[X] To Kyouko: Just in case you didn't know already...a Walpurgisnacht is going to hit Mitakihara in about three weeks. I'm not here to try and recruit you for it-especially because you have Yuma to look after-but since it might still cause a lot of damage, I thought you should know.
[X] Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?
No. of votes: 1
boonerunner

[X] Reply to Yuma that Mami's someone Kyouko once knew, but anything beyond that's more Kyouko's story to tell than ours . . . and that we're not entirely sure what's got Kyouko angry at the moment.
[X] Mention to Kyouko that the Sendai situation's gotten wrapped-up.
-[X] If she asks, say that you got involved, there was some fighting that you really wish hadn't happened, and while it overall went much worse than you'd wanted it all ended up mostly alright, and best of all no prolonged fight incoming.
[X] Offer to Kyouko, via telepathy: I get that you're not too fond of the idea of 'something for nothing', or at least it seems that way, so how about this? In exchange for the services I'm offering, you get to beat me over the head now and again.
-[X] From there, explain that your powerset might make you a bit broken in some respects, but that some recent events -- like Sendai -- have given you a bit of perspective on your non-Griefy business . . . and that you frankly suck at it. So, if Kyouko's willing to help un-suck our combat skills, then we could use that as a deal if she wants one.
--[X] Offer a Grief Seed as a down-payment on the combat lessons if need be.
-[X] Make it clear that we'd honestly prefer to just offer our services for free, and even if she'd rather not train us she's more than welcome to call upon us for it completely free (if we offered the seed, say she can keep it), but that we're offering this deal because the past couple times we've offered it free she's seemed not-too-thrilled by it.
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Baroque, noahgab1133, landcollector, CornyBones

[x]Your big sis and Mami were friends but parted on bad terms. I think she's angry at Kyubey.
[x]Try and get through lunch without any further trauma. Find something upbeat to talk about. Ask how they're doing, and ask Yuma how she feels about cheese.
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay via telepathy.
[x]Mention that Sendai's been resolved.
[x]Offer a regular grief seed. We're the bearer of bad news. It's the least we can do to make up for it, and we don't actually need it for ourself. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
[x]Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?
No. of votes: 2
Ugolino, Gadjo

[x]Your big sis and Mami were friends but parted on bad terms. I think she's angry at Kyubey.
[x]Try and get through lunch without any further trauma. Find something upbeat to talk about. Ask how they're doing, and ask Yuma how she feels about cheese.
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay via telepathy.
[x]Mention that Sendai's been resolved.
[x]Offer a regular grief seed. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
-[x] If she presses us for a reason, restate what we said during our first meeting about just wanting to help megucas.
[x]Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?
No. of votes: 1
Cannongerbil
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[X] Cannongerbil.
May as well be honest; pretending we're giving her a seed for giving her bad news isn't going to fly anyway.
 
[X] Cannongerbil
-[X] If possible, ask Kyouko about the seeming lack of pants-wearing magical girls.

boonerunner said:
This is the best plan (if we aren't going to give Kyouko and Yuma a clear seed). We see Oriko almost as much as we see Homura and Oriko has the advantage of advance warning in case something does go wrong.
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We don't even need to wait for results. We just ask her to look ahead like we did last time.

If it works, awesome. We can now leave Bucket Hat with a Seed that'll last a ridiculously long time to deal with her involuntary magic use and give her more time to do cute things with Kirika.
 
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Dirtnap said:
Not really? In the series she interacted just fine with Homs and less fine with Sayaka.

[x] Cannongerbil
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Yeah, she isn't really. I mean, look at us here, we come meet her at random the first time, then a second time just to give her some updates and check in her, and even though we've poked a few of her pet issues she's got no problems still interacting. And we always have the excuse of cleanses if want one.

Honestly, I don't think we'll have much difficulty with Kyoko until philosophical differences actually become a topic, like her selfishness thing. But we never really have to bring that up, and can deflect with just acknowledging that different people think differently if we have to.
 
Should we ask Koko if she's seen any other magical girls with pants?

I kind of want Sabrina to poll every MG she meets.
 
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