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Magic might annoy Kyouko though, and cheese also works as set-up for the ultimate Nagisa playdate planning.

The important thing is to ask how things are.
 
Ugolino said:
We're framing it as making up for something rather than as charity, which is why we're not saying "you have no seeds and are farming for two, take it".
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It's a really flimsy excuse, she'll see right through it. Even if she took it at face value, she should accept because... We answered her question and she's got issues?

I'd take full honesty over this. Forceful honesty, even.
 
Onmur said:
Isn't this gonna trigger Kyouko's charity alarm? She's kind of obligated to accept it due to not having any seeds, but still.
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You do recall that discussion that we had about consistency and charity, right? Offering charity to her isn't bad, Kyouko's just wary of it because everyone has an agenda, and she can't seem to suss out what ours is beyond pure altruism, which as far as she is concerned doesn't exist. Tripping the charity alarm is actually a good thing, because it reinforces our point about there being no ulterior motive behind our actions. Do it often enough and we might even get her to believe it.
 
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Ugolino said:
The flimsy excuse isn't meant to fool her- or even be deceptive- so much as saving face.
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Paying her to be our day tutor also saves face and isn't so flimsy. Or, as Cannongerbil says, we could just stick to our altruistic guns. Your vote is a bit of an uncomfortable middle ground.
Baroque said:
I'm eager for us to not shoot things to hell. Sadly, any answer we can give that risks doing that is one that's not as likely to satisfy Yuma. If we can somehow cobble together an answer that answers her simply and doesn't risk pissing Kyouko off, that'd be golden; as it is, though, saying we're unsure but that she's definitely not mad at Yuma is the closest thing to that I can think of.
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I'm not sure you fully understand what your vote is going to be taken as. If you asked me why someone is angry and I said "I'm not sure", your first thought would not be "oh, he must have a bunch of different theories and doesn't want to give one more weight than another", it would be "okay he doesn't know". That's a very bad impression to give here. Not "bad situation" bad, but "bad compared to lots of other options" bad. Making Kyoko's anger a mystery means she could be mad at anyone, and merely adding "but she isn't mad at you" means nothing when we've already claimed to not be sure and it reinforces the idea that Big Sis might be mad at Yuma. If we want her to believe us when we say Kyoko isn't mad at her we need to say something that indicates we have some sort of clue about what Kyoko's thinking. It being Kyoko's business does that, a specific but possibly wrong claim does that, vague prophecies of existential doom do that. Your vote does not.
 
Torgamous said:
Paying her to be our day tutor also saves face and isn't so flimsy. Or, as Cannongerbil says, we could just stick to our altruistic guns. Your vote is a bit of an uncomfortable middle ground.
I'm not sure you fully understand what your vote is going to be taken as. If you asked me why someone is angry and I said "I'm not sure", your first thought would not be "oh, he must have a bunch of different theories and doesn't want to give one more weight than another", it would be "okay he doesn't know". That's a very bad impression to give here. Not "bad situation" bad, but "bad compared to lots of other options" bad. Making Kyoko's anger a mystery means she could be mad at anyone, and merely adding "but she isn't mad at you" means nothing when we've already claimed to not be sure and it reinforces the idea that Big Sis might be mad at Yuma. If we want her to believe us when we say Kyoko isn't mad at her we need to say something that indicates we have some sort of clue about what Kyoko's thinking. It being Kyoko's business does that, a specific but possibly wrong claim does that, vague prophecies of existential doom do that. Your vote does not.
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Except that it's hard to misunderstand without actually rubbing the altruism in her face. I think this version is close enough to the right side of the middle ground.

I mean if she calls us on it, yeah the whole thing crumbles but it isn't meant to be believable so much as just not wave a red flag and ask to get charged at.

The day tutor's something to ask later, really.
 
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Ugolino said:
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay via telepathy.
[[x]Offer a regular grief seed. We're the bearer of bad news. It's the least we can do to make up for it, and we don't actually need it for ourself. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
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We can't ask Kyoko about her feelings. Feelings are for friends, and we aren't friends.
Also a seed is only going to make the problem worse. She doesn't like charity, and giving out seeds like candy only emphasis both how much of a non issue it is for us, and how weak she is. It takes things to places we don't want to go.
 
Ugolino said:
The flimsy excuse isn't meant to fool her- or even be deceptive- so much as saving face.
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If the goal is to break Kyouko's understanding of the world (re: that everyone is selfish and anyone who seems to be offering anything for free is either hiding something or an idiot), then being blunt is better.

My own view is that Kyouko's view of the world is wrong, but that pure charity is also not the best solution. People can achieve more when working together than they can separately, so trades which benefit both parties are better than situations that are based purely on charity. Life is not a zero-sum game.
 
CornyBones said:
We can't ask Kyoko about her feelings. Feelings are for friends, and we aren't friends.
Also a seed is only going to make the problem worse. She doesn't like charity, and giving out seeds like candy only emphasis both how much of a non issue it is for us, and how weak she is. It takes things to places we don't want to go.
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We want to be. The issue is that she NEEDS said seeds.

Pure charity is, in fact, the way to go here. If you can help others at no cost at all to yourself, you should do so. In this case, it costs Sabrina literally nothing to do so and her doing so benefits everyone-so there's no reason to bleed people for her aid and doing so can't be justified at all. It's a choice between "do something that helps Kyouko at no cost to us without demanding something in return" or "do something that costs us nothing and charge her for it when she might not be able to afford it".
 
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It is way, way, way too late to worry about charity. Everything we are doing right now for Kyouko and Yuma, we have already framed as charity. Just give her the seed and if you really must, tell her it's a start on the half-used-seed suggestion.
 
While I'm not against offering a grief seed. Does it have to be the one Homu just gave us? Can't we test to make sure Aurora is working properly and give that one to her instead?
 
The seeds we've messed with aren't working ok, Mura. We had a re-filled Hildegard almost hatch a seed on us because our other seed drew the grief from it. Aurora should be in the same state right now, being refilled.
 
It was Aurora that almost hatched while Hildegarde was partially filled. We never tested an empty seed refilled to standard capacity.
 
I'm personally in favour of dropping all pretenses to the contrary and just going balls in with the altruism angle. I don't see a need to dress our altruism as not altruism just to soothe Kyouko's ego, especially since she will accept it anyway, and any excuses that we come up with are going to be paper thin, by necessity. Plus, you know, there's the whole thing about convincing Kyouko that we geuinely just want to help other megucas.

Muramasa said:
While I'm not against offering a grief seed. Does it have to be the one Homu just gave us? Can't we test to make sure Aurora is working properly and give that one to her instead?
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...Is there a particular reason why you care about which seed is being given, as long as it isn't Hildegarde?
 
Muramasa said:
It was Aurora that almost hatched while Hildegarde was partially filled. We never tested an empty seed refilled to standard capacity.
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Yes we did.
Firnagzen said:
You stop filling Aurora's Seed when it's half full. Holding it by its point, you tap it to Irene's Grief Seed.

Irene tears Grief from Aurora, a substantial portion vacuumed from one Grief Seed to the other in an instant, and you hastily jerk them apart. You bring your powers to bear, and confiscate the 'stolen' Grief from Irene, returning it to its unused state.

... huh.

That... was interesting, too.
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