Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Giving a regular seed is charity, and does nothing to discourage Kyouko from tossing full seeds to Kyuubey. Giving a clear seed, on the other hand, allows Kyouko and Yuma to be partners in our experiment, which is healthier. And it's an experiment that we will be monitoring closely so that we can detect any potential dangers early.
1. Kyouko's not going to turn it down and frankly at this point it's not worth the risk even with us nearby. Clear seeds are not reliable and interact poorly with other grief seeds.
2.We've framed it as wasted food and given her reasons not to.
3. She's still going to hunt on her own presumably, which means her clear seeds are likely to come into contact with normal grief seeds...and Kyouko doesn't have the benefit of emergency cleansing.
4. The chicken incident shows we need to be more careful with our SCIENCE. I'd rather not have offscreen SCIENCE that might end very badly.
2.We've framed it as wasted food and given her reasons not to.
3. She's still going to hunt on her own presumably, which means her clear seeds are likely to come into contact with normal grief seeds...and Kyouko doesn't have the benefit of emergency cleansing.
4. The chicken incident shows we need to be more careful with our SCIENCE. I'd rather not have offscreen SCIENCE that might end very badly.
If we give them a clear seed, then Kyouko and Yuma will have no more starvation problems in the next few weeks at least. During that time, Kyouko can hunt witches at her leisure and trade with us if she wants to to get more clear seeds. If the situation somehow turns out horribly so that they completely run out of seeds and are in any danger of starvation, then of course we'll give them another clear seed. But we would like them to have agency over their own survival if at all possible.
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Except that giving them a clear seed and expecting her to rely on it is the opposite of giving her agency, and we KNOW clear seeds and regular seeds don't interact well. Far better just to give her a normal seed.
This...isn't actually true, at all...
This...isn't actually true, at all...
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Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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Or drunk. To teach you a lesson to drink your tea before it goes cold and not make more than you need.
Even Koko thinks reheating tea is dumb.
Honestly? While I don't want to go into details, we can and should say they were friends. Hopefully Yuma'll give Kyouko the nudge she needs to drop by.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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The potential issues with clear Seeds can be solved by keep if them in a different pocket than normal ones. That's pretty easy and as long as we explain that to Kyouko she'll be fine.
I don't get how giving her a clear one is denying her agency. It gives her a buffer, something to fall back on if a hunt doesn't go well or whatever.
As far as we've seen so far, clear seeds interact rather predictably with other grief seeds: namely the normal grief seeds absorb all of the grief from the clear seeds. It's quite possible that there are other effects (which is why we want to be careful), but there are no known issues that would cause problems for Kyouko and Yuma.
Give the girl some credit. If we tell Kyouko that grief seeds absorb grief from clear seeds, then she's not going to store them together. Odds are that she would leave the clear seed with Yuma when she goes hunting.
We need to be careful with SCIENCE, absolutely. But we're not the only people with agency. I trust that Yuma and Kyouko can also be careful with SCIENCE when we warn them that it can be dangerous.
Giving her any type of seed robs her of a bit of agency. Giving her the opportunity to assist our SCIENCE by make observations on the seed, however does add agency. Giving her the opportunity to hunt for full seeds to trade for clear seeds gives even more agency.
On the contrary. Pending experiments: more analysis on how full seeds interact with clear seeds, how clear seeds interact with each other, how long it takes for seeds to hatch, etc. We also need to test if we can link a seed to a body to make the meguca come back to life. We need lots of seeds for experiments. And we need to use a variety of different seeds so that our results aren't skewed by the behavior of any one seed.
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Won't Kyoko get angry if she finds out we've told her about it?
Also about the clear seeds, we could just warn her to keep them away from any regular seeds she finds? And can't they hold, like, a lot grief?
Kyouko will be angry if we give out private details, but simply saying that they were friends and then had a falling out is basically a matter of public knowledge. We would be gossiping/intruding if we told Yuma the specific details of their falling out, but nobody is suggesting that we do that.
1. She won't like it as such, but Yuma's asking and we're not giving details. Just telling her who Mami is- ie: they were friends
2.Still, it's a major risk and we're better off giving her regular grief seeds and dropping by.
Kyouko can't grief-cleanse so it's not worth the risk to give her a Seed that might blow up in her face and nearly did in ours if it hadn't been for emergency grief removal.
@boonerunner
We don't need more seeds for that, though, and even if we did, extorting them from Kyouko is completely the wrong way to go about it. Any vote with that line is just NOPE NOPE NOPE.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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Well, yes, that's why she's asking us instead of Kyouko. There's no actual reason for us to tell her anything, but if we don't tell her something she might start coming up with theories of her own, especially since she sure as hell isn't going to be asking Kyouko herself. Best to head things off. The Kyouko-Mami relationship is dicey enough without introducing more complications into the mix.
Jackercracks
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Sabrrina: Hey my neighbour Kokoro, if this clear seed starts doing strange stuff I want you to telepathy me eh? Like if it's hatching or pulsing or taking over your mind or something. Cool? Cool.
Kyouko: Is that... uh, likely?
Sabrina:
Kyouko: Is that... uh, likely?
Sabrina:
The ideal result would be for Yuma to encourage Kyouko to reconcile with Mami without offending Kyouko in the process, this requires a few things:
1. We have to tell Yuma that they were friends and that had a falling apart or that they're not talking or whatever so that she knows that there is a need for reconciliation.
2. We need Yuma to be sympathetic to both sides rather than blaming Kyouko or Mami for what happened. Mami's current emotional state was already stated and pointing out Kyouko's concern for her should encourage Yuma to sympathize with both of them.
3. No personal details, otherwise Kyouko would be offended (and rightly so).
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Any objections to giving Kyouko a clear seed because 'accidents' don't really hold water. If we tell her the seed causes others seeds to hatch, she'll keep them the hell away from each other. Personally, I'd rather not give those things around, specially since we're close enough we can visit every day if we have to.
This sounds a little bit like bullshit. Wouldn't it be more honest to tell her we know she's out of seeds, and make her take it for Yuma's sake? I figure that's the reason she was so... Accommodating, after all.
Gadjo
Doka
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Re: the seed. I'd rather not rub it in that Kyouko needs the seed.
[x]Your big sis and Mami were friends. She's angry because Kyubey...hurt her.
[x]Try and get through lunch without any further trauma. Find something upbeat to talk about. Ask Yuma how she feels about cheese.
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay.
[x]Offer a regular grief seed. We're the bearer of bad news. It's the least we can do to make up for it, and we don't actually need it for ourself. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
[x]Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?
[x]Your big sis and Mami were friends. She's angry because Kyubey...hurt her.
[x]Try and get through lunch without any further trauma. Find something upbeat to talk about. Ask Yuma how she feels about cheese.
[x]Ask if Kyouko's okay.
[x]Offer a regular grief seed. We're the bearer of bad news. It's the least we can do to make up for it, and we don't actually need it for ourself. Ask to cleanse again too if it seems like she needs it.
[x]Telepathy Yuma. Try and make sure your big sis cleanses her own gem too, okay?
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FlatlineAskari
*feline scrutiny*
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The first, granted, but - don't get all hyperbolic here. Emptied seeds have acted in a consistent manner so far, with only avoidable adverse reactions. We shouldn't avoid giving them out (with appropriate warnings) where they'll do good because we blundered in and mapped a failure state.
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Yes, but that's avoidable for if you have grief cleansing and friends with timestop. As it is, I'd really, really rather we didn't give them out just yet if we have a workable alternative that won't potentially cause problems since "a witch accidentally in your pocket" is kind of a major problem.
One mistake and you have a supercharged Witch spawn right on top of you and while Kyouko'd be warned about it and a lot less scatterbrained than Sabrina is...
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