Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Gadjo
Doka
Saving lives doesn't change the fact that you get fatigued mentally after hours upon hours of hard labor. People in soup kitchens don't usually spend days on end working there even if they don't have anything better to do.
Look guys, I get it: you realized that with our broken powers we could technically be running around killing all the witches, and the fact that we aren't because of how interminably boring that would be is bothering you since it condemns some civilians to death. My sympathy for the character isn't really hurt by the fact that she isn't willing to go on such a long journey to take out every witch in the city when she has other ways of saving lives in the long run.
Yes, there is some small amount of separation between IC and OOC because we would like to read a story, not a transcribed WOW grinding session starring some kind of robotic automaton that lives to work. You found the fridge logic, have a cookie. Now stop poking the QM, he's been annoyed at the flame wars enough as it is without them being directed at him and I quite like this quest.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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To further elaborate on this:
Being in extended timestop has increasingly severe psychological costs. That's not GM fiat, that's a perfectly logical extrapolation of being stuck in a surreal isolation from:
1) Human contact, and thus socialization
2) Normal physics
3) Normal flow of actions and consequences
4) Any sense that the world around you is actually alive and continues to live on
5) Any sense of time whatsoever
6) Remembering what it's like to actually be able to touch other people and objects without serious consequences
7) Being able to live without being constantly tethered to someone else 24/7
8) Any ambient noise whatsoever
9) Any color beyond yourself and what you are in immediate contact with
10) Weather
11) Day/Night cycles
12) Routines
13) The sense that anyone else has any agency whatsoever
And I could go on. But I won't. But I could.
Hey, I don't mind criticism. Doesn't mean I won't defend what I think is the right thing, of course.
Gadjo
Doka
Sorry, shouldn't have spoken for you on that. My bad.
If only time restarted when Homura tried to sleep, then we'd have a natural limiting factor right there.
That said, I still think it's perfectly reasonable for the MC to simply not have the kind of drive to undertake such a monumental task.
One last thing before I head to bed. I was reading The Different Story on Saturday and these panels seemed relevant to issues at hand:
I actually really loved the set of principles expressed in the second panel there, and it really annoys me that the seed idea came from Kyubey and so they're probably something she's doubting now. The last panel... let's do everything we can to make sure she never thinks that way, ok? Because I think we've seen repeatedly that Mami has very heroic instincts, and I think she'd be pretty much 100% onboard with our own morals and goals if there was a way to express them to her without treading on any of her issues.
I actually really loved the set of principles expressed in the second panel there, and it really annoys me that the seed idea came from Kyubey and so they're probably something she's doubting now. The last panel... let's do everything we can to make sure she never thinks that way, ok? Because I think we've seen repeatedly that Mami has very heroic instincts, and I think she'd be pretty much 100% onboard with our own morals and goals if there was a way to express them to her without treading on any of her issues.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
"One Sabrinadollar will exchange to ten pounds sterling, because that is the rate which the Bank of England will set once I start cleansing the Queen!"
"... Preeeetty sure the Queen of England isn't a magical girl."
"Give it time!"
No, you're wrong.
1. You can bring people in at any time.
2,
3. So? You'd get used to it. Whether or not it's a big deal depends on your psyche, I guess.
4. Things are moving near you, that is enough.
5. You can bring watches into the timestop, no?
6. Huh? Okay, I kind of get what you're saying, but you are stretching things a bit. You can touch anyone in the timestop, and if you just put objects back you'll be fine.
7. True. But with a long enough connection, you could have privacy and time alone.
8. Now this is a fairly big one, I admit. But you could have speakers/iPods with ambient noise if needed.
9. Eh, people live in Scotland.
10. Feel like sun? Work for a week or so in a sunny area. Feel like snow? Go work in Siberia a few days.
11. Watches again-
12. Self-Imposed
13. They don't anyway. Not with regards to "The System" anyway.
Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
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- Bay Area
Quite frankly, my thoughts run along the lines of SaltyWaffles'. Being in the timestop is a fairly surreal, unsettling experience - for all but Homura, because it's her magic. It affects different people differently granted, but some degree of fatigue and dissonance is inherent to it.
Nolrai
weak to fangs
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- Porltand
Yeah, but we aren't even trying at all. And frankly I have a much higher tolerance for slow posts then say Ugo does. So...I still think trying to make your readers bored is a bad way to represent a task that is draining for your mc. Like I had truly thought that you just screwed up. And it's just not enough of a cost to make me as reluctant to use time stop as you seem to want us to be. I mean I found the time stop hell to still be way more interesting then say. ..any of the fights in Sayaka quest.
I dunno, people play Farmville and that doesn't even help imaginary people. I think Soup Kitchen Simulator would be pretty marketable to that crowd.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
We could keep a Witch signature above us and let them come to us?
Nolrai
weak to fangs
- Location
- Porltand
I would assume witches avoid each other..but its worth trying once we have some time.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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I think he meant to attract meguca, not Witches.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
How about we just make huge letters out of grief in the sky. We have access to stuff that normal humans can't see right? Some kind of witch stuff or grief, can't remember which.
"FREE SOUL GEM AND GRIEF SEED CLEANSINGS,
TALK TO SABRINA, BRING CAKE"
In big purple letters 10ft tall. That would do it, Sabrinas multitasking seems like it should be okay to keep them up there most of the day.
Also, on the endless time stop witch-hunt... I don't think it's feasible. Homura would eventually go insane. Even the most psychologically healthy person would probably go nuts after a year or so of time stopped witch-hunting. Homura is not stable. Hell, even if we do it then de'd just have to repeat the whole thing next week and the week after. It's not sustainable. By the end of the year we'd have spent 7 centuries killing witches and be certifiably insane. Eventually one of us cracks and then the system keeps being awful for everyone.
Edit: so much easier to just gather all the local magical girls, organise them into groups and have them clean out Mitikihara.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Sabrina lives with Mami. Asking others to bring cake is horribly redundant.
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Timestop sweep has several flaws, not least of which is that it's not Sabrina's power. People seem to be taking it for granted that we can co-opt Homura's free will for the rest of her existence, needing to timestop-sweep the entire city (or multiple cities, or the world) every few minutes for the rest of time.
So, no, that's not a solution.
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- spinning
But that's not even what I am speaking of.
Not the entire world.
My earlier reference was about how we don't ask Homura to timestop when, for example, Kuvira brought out her metal monster into rush hour. Can't revive those who die in traffic crashes. 2 lives right then for feel good.
At least if Chouko or Yumi had died in combat they'd have been estranged from their families for certain, unlike those who died there.
In that way, I calmly value just general veteran meguca with nothing special like them or Mami lower than an average person. Yes, they fight witches, but they also perpetuate the system by this and itself, not stand outside of it.
And @Gadjo: I see this as an irrevocable moral conflict between "save everyone" and "those lives are not worth saving". Argument that we could save more people in the end by spending time on other stuff....We have timestop, so it would be 0 time.
That argument about system does apply to entire world, but not to Mitakihara since Sabrina.
And yeah, this paints some nice questions.
In the end, what does it mean then, if saving everyone is poison? To vote for fun things, I guess. Which is what I'll be changing towards if I can.
Because to do otherwise is to follow the motions while not having the faith; a hollow prayer.
@Kinematics: A) As UberJJK pointed out, we could sweep everything into a plastic bag during school hours - your own figures for Mitakihara don't give exactly a large witch/familiar population. Something like 10 witches, perhaps?
With 2 updates per witch like latest one or Gwen, it wouldn't take that long.
B) So we give all seeds to Homura?
@Firnagzen: Well, I think the timestop was interesting(the one in latest update was quite cool!) though Mami freaked out a bit much to me. Then again, Mami freaks out over lich thing as well
Still, I'm sure you'd describe every single witch fight in detail, not every single flagstone in detail; after all, eye does wander over flagstones but the witches do keep riveting Sabrina's attention.
@UberJJK: New Puella witching out is so much smaller concern. Like, I'd say it'd be good if it reached %.
Besides, if they witch out so fast that Sabrina can't find them, then they probably wouldn't have been able to find a witch and beat it anyway.
@SaltyWaffles: So we now have upper bound, based on the amount of people a witch+it's familiars kill.
Even if you take timestop update as zero worth (And I don't think so! ), you're looking at something like "Anyone who takes longer than one third of an update to save isn't worth saving".
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Homura is not a machine. Keeping her sane is definitely worth more than the lives lost in the fight, since we're not planning to kill her to prevent time-rewind.
If we had called her to run all the way over to Sendai and fix our mess, we'd have lost whatever spark of hope we had managed to give her; her trusting us to go off, stop a war without her direct help and come back was HUGE.
When Kuvira what? Incomplete sentence.
No, traffic crashes can't revive the dead. They're not particularly well known for doing that.
We have no information on when or under what circumstances said people died.
Yeah, I suppose it would be difficult to not be estranged from your families after dying, though I'm not sure why you think that's a good thing.
Well, how you choose to value any given human's life is obviously your own choice.
False dichotomy.
No, we don't. Homura has timestop.
No idea what you're saying, here.
The argument is against the logistics of the proposal that we must act to maximize the number of people saved. As such, each sweep of the city leaves a window for other people to die as witches enter the city, or magical girls contract and witch out. To save everyone, like is being suggested, requires a pretty small window between sweeps, on the order of minutes, to reach that goal.