On a more serious note about Homucifer, she may be in a way like us. How did she break the system after all?

If you listen to what exactly she says when she explains, she says power of love, but then elaborates into something somewhat deranged sounding how her pain is now dear to her because it helps madoka. Within the frame work of the normal magic system, this likely means something like combining hope and despair, the normally opposite poles of the system.

What were having is a vaguely similiar thing, a puella magi controlling grief. So we may be a nascent devil anyway, if thats how you get there.
 
actually I wonder if sabrina could control her own witch like homucifer did?

cause if it takes becoming a demon to break the system so be it. Besides I wonder what cool shinies we get to play with if we do?
 
I'll admit, having Madoka wish us into godhood doesn't sound so bad. We'd be a grief bending goddess. Our range issue would disappear and instead of cleansing meguca and taking them to valhalla we could just keep them from ever reaching the point of witchout. We could do the whole grief to energy thing to combat entropy on our own. Imagine a world where the incubators create meguca because meguca just existing seems to fix the entropy problem. Bam, no more incentive to make their lives horrible and the meguca themselves just keep going forever with no fear of "disappearing" or witchouts.
 
"Ok, seriously, can we talk about this?"
"About what?"
"I mean, I'm glad to see you again and all, and I'm really sorry that I didn't know what was coming when Madoka made that wish..."
"But?"
"...but I kinda need to go see to the other magical girls at some point, too. I mean, I know I should have popped back in sooner-"
"Two years, Sabrina."
"-err. Right. I mean, that seems like a long time-"
"Do you like the tea? I made this tea two years ago for that lunch you never showed up for. I've been saving it."
"...Mami..."
"I even reheated it, just for you! No cold tea for my best friend!"
"I get the feeling you're a bit angry."
"Oh no. I couldn't possibly be angry with you! After all, you're not leaving me again, are you? Please say no..."
"Well, I'm not sure how you managed to make ribbons in six dimensions, but I can safely say I'm not going anywhere for the moment."
"Wonderful! This will be just like old times then."
"Well, up until Homura or Madoka finds out what you've done, sure."
"Those two are having their own tea party together. They've been at it for weeks now and neither has noticed. You can lose all track of time when you're having fun with friends, you know."
"Oh hell."
"Now then, tell me what you think of this new cake recipe..."

:D
 
Not a huge fan of the order of that vote, or the sudden shift to Mami (feels a bit jarring when Madoka and Sayaka were the emphasis before but...other than that

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Is it just me, or does the Mami-Sayaka transition seem abit odd? Shouldn't we focus on Mami for this session?
 
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I like it. I definitely think it's worth trying.

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Those feels...

Thanks. Although I was hoping for critique, especially from the de-escalate and let things be crowd.

Not a huge fan of the order of that vote, or the sudden shift to Mami but...

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Suggestions then? I definitely don't think the order or phrasing should be set in stone. The shift to Mami is just focusing on what we can right now, and I recognize that it could be jarring; that's why there's a moment at the start.

I think it's either her or Sayaka. Talking more to Madoka can wait until we have a little distance from the current situation, especially because we don't really have a good idea what to say.

Transitioning the other way is almost as difficult, mind you.
 
I really like this approach. However, merest of nitpicks - might want to sort tea out first? Give everyone a moment to compose themselves, to let all of this ... everything sink in?
 
We have to get it into the Homu'S thick skull that A) Madoka is UNHAPPY with being mollycuddled and feeling helpless/useless , becoming more and more obsessed with being able to help each loop
B) that the more involved she feels ( not actually IS, mind you) the less likely she is to do something dangerously stupid
and C) that she should think about what SHE really wants to see , the brave and strong girl who once saved her or a washed-out, Inferiority complex ridden pale imitation...
Might of course backfire horribly, but I think there is hope for our Homu yet.
 
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We have to get it into the Homu'S thick skull that A) Madoka is UNHAPPY with being mollycuddled and feeling helpless/useless , becoming more and more obsessed with being able to help each loop
B) that the more involved she feels ( not actually IS, mind you) the less likely she is to do something dangerously stupid
and C) she should think about what SHE really wants to see , the brave and strong girl who once saved her or a washed-out, Inferiority complex ridden pale imitation...
Might of course backfire horribly, but I think there is hope for our Homu yet.
Baby steps. Be nice to the Homu too.
 
[X] Take a deep breath and give it a moment. Make fresh tea. Let everything sink in.
[X] Make a judgment call on who would be more receptive to opening up. Look past the fronts they put up and ask...
-[X] Sayaka... did you want to talk about it?
-[X] Mami... I know you've had a few very trying days. Did you want to... talk about it?
--[X] Let her talk, cry, shout, whatever, as much as she needs. Listen. Let Madoka and the others show their support.
[X] Repeat with the other. Don't let either of them play down their feelings as insignificant. Everyone here cares.
[X] If both refuse, do what we can to relax the mood. Small talk. Dinner. Smiles and casual conversation, if appropriate.



I really like this approach. However, merest of nitpicks - might want to sort tea out first? Give everyone a moment to compose themselves, to let all of this ... everything sink in?

I like this. Consider that nit picked.
 
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If sabrina controlling grief looks anything like that I can see why the other puella's find her frightening.

What strikes me odd is that hamura used love to change into a demon. So what should sabrina use to break the system, more so than she already has.
 


If sabrina controlling grief looks anything like that I can see why the other puella's find her frightening.

What strikes me odd is that hamura used love to change into a demon. So what should sabrina use to break the system, more so than she already has.


Love and Hate are mirror images of each other, no? (Unless the Urobutcher suscribes to the bhuddist Idea that " all strong emotions are evil, because the attach one to this evil world and keep one from reaching Nirvana" )
 


If sabrina controlling grief looks anything like that I can see why the other puella's find her frightening.

What strikes me odd is that hamura used love to change into a demon. So what should sabrina use to break the system, more so than she already has.

And none of that would've happened if Homura had kept her damn mouth shut.
 
Considering changing "needs it more" to "would be most receptive". It's my opinion that if we get a response from one, we're almost certain to get the same response from the other. The perception that this is a safe environment to express their feelings in full will feed back positively, and that can be both good and bad. Thoughts, or am I nitpicking needlessly?

I'll add that yes, the update did end on Sayaka, but that's narrative focus rather than a full picture or even each person's most recent actions. It's not like Mami is going to stop guilting herself because Firn didn't mention her. The break line at the start will reset the focus, better thanks to FlatlineAskari's contribution.
 
I'm not sure planting the idea in Oriko's head that we're the source of the feathers and therefore that thing that's more dangerous than a living goddamn hurricane is a good idea. Remember that she does want to save the world, and that she'll usually take the most pragmatic approach to that.

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I'm not sure planting the idea in Oriko's head that we're the source of the feathers and therefore that thing that's more dangerous than a living goddamn hurricane is a good idea. Remember that she does want to save the world, and that she'll usually take the most pragmatic approach to that.

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God, These "Hard X maknig Hard Decisions" for "the Greater Good " that easily have always bothered me, IRL and in fiction...
 
Hardgucas making hard decisions.

You guys think we could get "meguca" to be a thing if we start using it whenever we meet new girls?
 
Considering changing "needs it more" to "would be most receptive". It's my opinion that if we get a response from one, we're almost certain to get the same response from the other. The perception that this is a safe environment to express their feelings in full will feed back positively, and that can be both good and bad. Thoughts, or am I nitpicking needlessly?

I'll add that yes, the update did end on Sayaka, but that's narrative focus rather than a full picture or even each person's most recent actions. It's not like Mami is going to stop guilting herself because Firn didn't mention her. The break line at the start will reset the focus, better thanks to FlatlineAskari's contribution.
I don't know much about these kind of situations, but an idea: If one wants a group of people to open up about their problems, shouldn't one lead by example?

Mind, I don't think Sabrina would be the best one to to just that, but the vote kind of reminds me of: 'Let us share the deepest secrets of our souls!!! You first.'
 
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