This is just like Sendai negotiations all over again, isn't it?
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Yes, we should just let our friend feel really depressed and worthless. Clearly, that is the right thing to do. We've already butted into othe people's issues and insecurities, but this is way too much.
Sorry, if I sound snippy, but this an issue we shouldn't just drop for multiple reasons. Not that I agree with some of the suggestions proposed.
Still, this isn't something that can be resolved in a single day, and it really isn't really the type of topic we can really get into in a group setting. Not everything can be fixed quickly or immediately guys.
Sorry, if I sound snippy, but this an issue we shouldn't just drop for multiple reasons. Not that I agree with some of the suggestions proposed.
Still, this isn't something that can be resolved in a single day, and it really isn't really the type of topic we can really get into in a group setting. Not everything can be fixed quickly or immediately guys.
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Baroque
Medi Aide, Whom Needed That
- Location
- Cosmic Ark, WIZ Faction
I just had a bizarre, 90% likely to be dumb idea for how to handle Kyousuke-healing so that he can't possibly form any kind of attachment to whomever's healing him, which I shall present now for potential comedy value: alien abduction.
Get alien masks, some matching jumpsuits, keep the musician in la-la land through one means or another (painkillers come to mind, considering we'll be mending his hand and all), possibly complete the effect by making a Grief UFO (or Grief UFO set piece, making it look like he got abducted bed-and-all).
If all goes well, Sayaka can even 'pay us back' by promising to never speak of this moment again.
EDIT: On a slightly more serious note . . . I'd like to pitch this onto the pile along with what Muramasa put out already; my bit's in magic mint, and intended to hopefully address Madoka's concerns while either fitting in with lightening the mood or leading into it. (I'm unsure whether it should be stuck before or after trying to lighten the mood, sequentially.)
[] Try to work on lightening the mood. Get a pot of tea going.
[] Let Madoka know that her doing as she's been doing already is already an enormous help; even if it doesn't seem like much, having a friend like her to come back to after our job puts us through the wringer is some of the best medicine since laughter.
This is just an idea, a maybe-this'll-work, mind you; if it doesn't suit, then feel free to not use it.
Get alien masks, some matching jumpsuits, keep the musician in la-la land through one means or another (painkillers come to mind, considering we'll be mending his hand and all), possibly complete the effect by making a Grief UFO (or Grief UFO set piece, making it look like he got abducted bed-and-all).
If all goes well, Sayaka can even 'pay us back' by promising to never speak of this moment again.
EDIT: On a slightly more serious note . . . I'd like to pitch this onto the pile along with what Muramasa put out already; my bit's in magic mint, and intended to hopefully address Madoka's concerns while either fitting in with lightening the mood or leading into it. (I'm unsure whether it should be stuck before or after trying to lighten the mood, sequentially.)
[] Try to work on lightening the mood. Get a pot of tea going.
[] Let Madoka know that her doing as she's been doing already is already an enormous help; even if it doesn't seem like much, having a friend like her to come back to after our job puts us through the wringer is some of the best medicine since laughter.
This is just an idea, a maybe-this'll-work, mind you; if it doesn't suit, then feel free to not use it.
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Had a bit of random musing about how how Dedolere might turn out to be that was inspired by Kyuubey's comment about how Sabrina was an excellent actress and the walmart night's and the Gretchen's profiles that I thought turned out to be kind of cool.
Name: Dedolere
Type: Stage-conducting Witch
Nature: Manipulativeness
Dedolere, the Stage-conducting Witch. Her nature is manipulativeness. Unable to stand the grief that surrounds her, she absorbs all into her barrier where she may reign as the god. Having the ability to control the grief due to a wish that did not cease to persist, she has the ability to mold her barrier and its contents to her wish and also the ability to absorb other witches. She will drag all around her to their happy ending, regardless of what may stand in her way.
Name: Dedolere
Type: Stage-conducting Witch
Nature: Manipulativeness
Dedolere, the Stage-conducting Witch. Her nature is manipulativeness. Unable to stand the grief that surrounds her, she absorbs all into her barrier where she may reign as the god. Having the ability to control the grief due to a wish that did not cease to persist, she has the ability to mold her barrier and its contents to her wish and also the ability to absorb other witches. She will drag all around her to their happy ending, regardless of what may stand in her way.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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- Soviet Lunar Base
Dude, there's not a whole lot else to do this session other than try to defuse tension and get them to stop dwelling to much on this. We've already done the whole "reassure Madoka" thing, and if we keep pressing on it, we're going to draw undue attention to it and make her suspect that something is up. Seriously, the whole coward thing? It's a throwaway line from her. We turned a throwaway line into a big fucking deal for reasons inexplicable to anyone but us.
I don't disagree with trying to cheer her up, this is something that should be done, as a friend, if nothing else. What I disagree with is the standard SV approach of "Butt our heads in and try and fix all of her psychological issues today!" which plenty of people seem to be favouring. We don't need to fix all of her psychological issues, we need to cheer her up and make her feel less depressed, and since finding ways for her to help is impossible without either outright lying to her or getting her unacceptably involved in this mess, we should be focusing on cheering her up. And I don't see how harping on about her self esteem issues is going to accomplish that.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
- Location
- Lima. Peru
Honestly, there isn't much more to do appart of what Cannon said. They need the time to assimilate all of this.
Yes, time. Because I don't trust SV social skills because their tendency to jump over the shark more often than not.
Yes, time. Because I don't trust SV social skills because their tendency to jump over the shark more often than not.
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@Baroque
Popping back in long enough to butcher a vote.
And we should DEFINITELY not leave things as they are now.
[x] Try to work on lightening the mood. Get a pot of tea going.
[x] Let Madoka know that her doing as she's been doing already is already an enormous help. Her being herself means a lot to everyone here.
Popping back in long enough to butcher a vote.
And we should DEFINITELY not leave things as they are now.
[x] Try to work on lightening the mood. Get a pot of tea going.
[x] Let Madoka know that her doing as she's been doing already is already an enormous help. Her being herself means a lot to everyone here.
@Baroque
While it's what we want from her, in essence anyway, I don't think it'll convince her that it's ok just being our cheerleader. It implies the magical girl goes out and does something very difficult, and all she can offer is her smile or whatever. Even if it helps, she'd still feel like she should be doing more.
While it's what we want from her, in essence anyway, I don't think it'll convince her that it's ok just being our cheerleader. It implies the magical girl goes out and does something very difficult, and all she can offer is her smile or whatever. Even if it helps, she'd still feel like she should be doing more.
Madoka doesn't get it, she said it herself, we need to make sure she does.
Maybe that line about contracting as life or death?
[]Talk to Sayaka. Does she want to talk about it?
Also this line is a potential problem for us, if not unexpected.
[]Talk to Sayaka. Does she want to talk about it?
Also this line is a potential problem for us, if not unexpected.
Reassure her that, yes, being a magical girl sucks, but we're working on it? Something?
Two experiments to try, later, because I've nothing in the way of social competence at the moment.
Distinguishing between range from body and range from soul gem.
This experiment has no notable restrictions on when it can be done, only requiring a 120 meter space without enemies present.
The intent of this is described in the title. The procedure is simple, and consists of two tests.
1.) Make an object out of grief. It should be visible at a distance of 120 meters.
2.) In one direction (hereafter direction A), walk sixty meters.
3.) Detach and set down Sabrina's soul gem.
4.) Walk sixty meters in direction A.
1.) Set Sabrina's soul gem down.
2.) Walk sixty meters in direction A.
3.) Make an object out of grief.
4.) Move the object made in step three sixty meters in direction A.
Each test has a binary result, for a total of four combinations. The binary output will be denoted by the test number and if the object dissipated (D) or not (N).
1D2D: Worst case, barring unexpected results. Grief must be within one-hundred meters of our body and our soul gem.
1D2N: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our body. (Might allow for relays if we can get multiple bodies.)
1N2D: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our soul gem. (Most likely scenario based on what we know, allows for some interesting tricks.)
1N2N: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our body or our soul gem. (Interesting.)
1.) Make an object out of grief. It should be visible at a distance of 120 meters.
2.) In one direction (hereafter direction A), walk sixty meters.
3.) Detach and set down Sabrina's soul gem.
4.) Walk sixty meters in direction A.
1.) Set Sabrina's soul gem down.
2.) Walk sixty meters in direction A.
3.) Make an object out of grief.
4.) Move the object made in step three sixty meters in direction A.
Each test has a binary result, for a total of four combinations. The binary output will be denoted by the test number and if the object dissipated (D) or not (N).
1D2D: Worst case, barring unexpected results. Grief must be within one-hundred meters of our body and our soul gem.
1D2N: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our body. (Might allow for relays if we can get multiple bodies.)
1N2D: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our soul gem. (Most likely scenario based on what we know, allows for some interesting tricks.)
1N2N: Our grief control extends within one-hundred meters of our body or our soul gem. (Interesting.)
This experiment has no notable restrictions on when it can be done, only requiring a 120 meter space without enemies present.
Hypothesis: Dedolere is related to the feathers in Oriko's vision.
This experiment can be carried out at any point when we are with Oriko and not with Mami.
The procedure is simple, here.
1.) Pull out soul gem and grief. Prepare to infuse grief into soul gem in sufficient quantities to cause witchdom.
2.) Ask Oriko about the results of the action if carried out.
3.) Put the grief away.
Expected results are either a normal vision or a feather end. The first is indicative of the unknown threat being distinct from Dedolere. The second indicates a correlation between the appearance of Dedolere and the appearance of the unknown threat.
1.) Pull out soul gem and grief. Prepare to infuse grief into soul gem in sufficient quantities to cause witchdom.
2.) Ask Oriko about the results of the action if carried out.
3.) Put the grief away.
Expected results are either a normal vision or a feather end. The first is indicative of the unknown threat being distinct from Dedolere. The second indicates a correlation between the appearance of Dedolere and the appearance of the unknown threat.
This experiment can be carried out at any point when we are with Oriko and not with Mami.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
I get that we want Madoka to stop feeling powerless and/or useless, but there really isn't anything she can do besides being a good friend and not dooming us all with a contract.
Same goes for Sayaka. I don't think there's anything we can actually do to solve their issues.
Same goes for Sayaka. I don't think there's anything we can actually do to solve their issues.
We can. It's just not something we can really deal with right now. We're still struggling with Mami and Homura. It's a process. They need time to just assimilate and stuff, for now.
As for what we do now, maybe we can just do some general reassurance. This is bad, but things have been getting better and will keep getting better? Everything will be fine? Something along those lines or something.
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
so are we sure those experiments won't result in akuma sabrina ?
cause i don't think the universe can handle that much SCIENCE, FEELS AND AWESOME in one place
cause i don't think the universe can handle that much SCIENCE, FEELS AND AWESOME in one place
Krecart
Not for throwing.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
We've already proven that we can ask Oriko about the results of experiments without actually having to do the experiment. It should be fine.
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
Wouldnt that be a good idea?
Because our two main problems, as it were, are the puella magi system as a whole, and that at some point Homucifer will come calling. This could solve both.
The answer to a deranged goddess of despair is not to become a deranged goddess of despair.
Loops
...
Obviously the solution is to have Madoka wish for Godbrina. Having grief control across all of time and space means that Madoka never witches, and she also never vanishes so Homucifer won't be a thing.
Although Sabrina vanishes to becomes a concept, and that may result in Mamicifer.
Although Sabrina vanishes to becomes a concept, and that may result in Mamicifer.
moonstne
[x] Bandwagon
Just spit-balling here.
[] pull madoka to the side. "This is partly about mami and homura, and I don't want them to hear. You want to be helpful madoka? Be a very good friend. Everyone always objects to this, claiming that being a friend isn't useful or not useful enough. I don't know how to emphasize enough that it very much is, especially when dealing with magical girls.
You think mami is bad now? When I told her this, she was a wreck. I am not being dramatic, when I say that she would have committed suicide without me being her friend. I helped saved a life by being someone's friend. It still is not enough, she still suffers from crippling loneliness, terrified at even me leaving her vision. She needs more close friends, You wanna not be powerless? Help me give mami more friends, cause she needs them badly.
Homura? Basically the same thing, she has spent most of her time alone. With her.... personality, she cannot make friends easy. I have been helping along the mami - homura friendship because it helps them both. I don't know if you noticed, but Homura is slowing become more stable because of your kindness madoka.
I am not going to get into details, but I met a group of magical girls yesterday. Their leader had issues that ultimately put her in a catatonic state. She was not that close to her team-mates, and had they noticed the issue and been more supporting or close, basically better friends, there is a good chance that never would have happened.
*sigh* look madoka, people always undersell the friendship outlook because it is cheesy or does not seem helpful. Again, I don't know how to really show the impact that it is one of the best things someone can do. When magical girls can die from to much sadness, or go crazy from the trauma, A supportive friend is the best thing for them."
[] pull madoka to the side. "This is partly about mami and homura, and I don't want them to hear. You want to be helpful madoka? Be a very good friend. Everyone always objects to this, claiming that being a friend isn't useful or not useful enough. I don't know how to emphasize enough that it very much is, especially when dealing with magical girls.
You think mami is bad now? When I told her this, she was a wreck. I am not being dramatic, when I say that she would have committed suicide without me being her friend. I helped saved a life by being someone's friend. It still is not enough, she still suffers from crippling loneliness, terrified at even me leaving her vision. She needs more close friends, You wanna not be powerless? Help me give mami more friends, cause she needs them badly.
Homura? Basically the same thing, she has spent most of her time alone. With her.... personality, she cannot make friends easy. I have been helping along the mami - homura friendship because it helps them both. I don't know if you noticed, but Homura is slowing become more stable because of your kindness madoka.
I am not going to get into details, but I met a group of magical girls yesterday. Their leader had issues that ultimately put her in a catatonic state. She was not that close to her team-mates, and had they noticed the issue and been more supporting or close, basically better friends, there is a good chance that never would have happened.
*sigh* look madoka, people always undersell the friendship outlook because it is cheesy or does not seem helpful. Again, I don't know how to really show the impact that it is one of the best things someone can do. When magical girls can die from to much sadness, or go crazy from the trauma, A supportive friend is the best thing for them."
Well, we didn't blow anything up, but the question from last time remains in this one: What is it that actually needs to be said at this point?
Sayaka
Sayaka is scared and angry, and feels like she's continuing to rack up existential debts. I'm going to speculate that she's actually been giving serious thought to the apparent closeness of Hitomi and Kyousuke, and was probably considering using her wish to heal Kyousuke for Hitomi's sake, as a way of paying back her debt to Hitomi's family.
Now, she's not only not able to do that, but our offer to heal Kyousuke means that we're both taking away her ability to pay back a debt, and adding a new debt to the pile. Never mind minor things like the math homework and saving her life during the fire.
How exactly do you pay back someone when you have no home and no money, who's smart enough to do your homework without even going to school, and fundamentally powerful enough that there's nothing you could ever do that she couldn't do herself, many times better?
Nothing we said was in any way progressive on Sayaka's problems. It might even be worse than when we started.
Madoka
The Madoka-speech was.. not terribly helpful. Homura's obsessive need to protect her is a constant stumbling block to getting Madoka any agency of her own. She wants to be able to do something, but she's surrounded by people who want to protect her and tell her what to do. And the worst part is how necessary it is to prevent a Bad End.
In terms of wanting to help, she's essentially in the same boat as Sayaka, except without the loss of home and money. We tried to tell her something, but it just went over her head.
Mami
Mami is... Mami. Full limpet mode.
Homura
And Homura is still in paranoid protector-complex mode.
Potential talk with Sayaka, to focus on just one of these at a time, and Sayaka seems the most fixable of the bunch.
---
"Sayaka, can I speak with you privately for a minute? Mami, can you keep Madoka and Homura company for a bit, please?"
...
"OK, you're looking miserable, and I think I understand why. You're feeling bad about mooching off Hitomi's family's good will? Wanting to do something to pay them back? You were probably thinking that, with the way Kyousuke and Hitomi have been getting along lately, you could make a wish to heal Kyousuke's hand, and then wish the two of them good luck together?
"Plus me and Mami rescuing you and your parents from the fire, and now one of us maybe doing the healing for you? You wanted to help us in our fight against the witches to pay us back for that?
"You feel like you keep owing people stuff, and don't have any way to pay them back? Thought maybe the wish would let you do that?
"You're trying too hard. The wish is too much. You'd be trading your soul to pay a few weeks' rent and a patched up hand. Even rescuing you from the fire doesn't mean you owe us your life. The firefighters were literally right there; I got hit by a fire hose on the way out. We just made things a little less uncomfortable.
"Your soul is worth far more than that; don't think of it so cheaply, and don't think that that's the only way you can pay people back for what they've done for you. Also, don't think that there aren't already people who feel like they owe you for things you'd do as a matter of course. Just like Hitomi would never turn away a friend who'd lost a home, the idea of you needing to "pay her back" is just silly. Just like you're a good friend to Madoka and Mami and me. Do you really think it's even conceivable that any of us would not have run in there to pull you out of the fire without being sure you owed us some 'favor' for it?
"The fact is, you've already paid for any and all of these 'favors' simply because you're our friend. Madoka, Hitomi, Mami, myself, and yes, even Homura. You're the one that carries the burden of keeping people happy, you know? It's hard to explain without sounding cheesy, but you're the cheerful ball of energy that's supported Madoka and Hitomi for years, forbidden love and all. Despite your arguments with Homura, you stand up for and protect Madoka, and that means more to her than you realize. You're one of Mami's precious kohai, and as strong as Mami is, she needs the support of those who believe in her now more than ever.
"So don't you dare think that you're worthless, or that you owe people, or that you need to make a wish to compare with the gifts that others give to you. Those gifts are given because we think you deserve it, and we want you to keep being the person that we want to give these gifts to. That's not nearly as easy as you think. Really, none of the rest of us can do it. Can you imagine Homura playing the role of Sayaka Miki for a week? Mami, the cheerful slacker? Madoka, declaring Hitomi to be her wife?
Sayaka
Sayaka is scared and angry, and feels like she's continuing to rack up existential debts. I'm going to speculate that she's actually been giving serious thought to the apparent closeness of Hitomi and Kyousuke, and was probably considering using her wish to heal Kyousuke for Hitomi's sake, as a way of paying back her debt to Hitomi's family.
Now, she's not only not able to do that, but our offer to heal Kyousuke means that we're both taking away her ability to pay back a debt, and adding a new debt to the pile. Never mind minor things like the math homework and saving her life during the fire.
How exactly do you pay back someone when you have no home and no money, who's smart enough to do your homework without even going to school, and fundamentally powerful enough that there's nothing you could ever do that she couldn't do herself, many times better?
Nothing we said was in any way progressive on Sayaka's problems. It might even be worse than when we started.
Madoka
The Madoka-speech was.. not terribly helpful. Homura's obsessive need to protect her is a constant stumbling block to getting Madoka any agency of her own. She wants to be able to do something, but she's surrounded by people who want to protect her and tell her what to do. And the worst part is how necessary it is to prevent a Bad End.
In terms of wanting to help, she's essentially in the same boat as Sayaka, except without the loss of home and money. We tried to tell her something, but it just went over her head.
Mami
Mami is... Mami. Full limpet mode.
Homura
And Homura is still in paranoid protector-complex mode.
Potential talk with Sayaka, to focus on just one of these at a time, and Sayaka seems the most fixable of the bunch.
---
"Sayaka, can I speak with you privately for a minute? Mami, can you keep Madoka and Homura company for a bit, please?"
...
"OK, you're looking miserable, and I think I understand why. You're feeling bad about mooching off Hitomi's family's good will? Wanting to do something to pay them back? You were probably thinking that, with the way Kyousuke and Hitomi have been getting along lately, you could make a wish to heal Kyousuke's hand, and then wish the two of them good luck together?
"Plus me and Mami rescuing you and your parents from the fire, and now one of us maybe doing the healing for you? You wanted to help us in our fight against the witches to pay us back for that?
"You feel like you keep owing people stuff, and don't have any way to pay them back? Thought maybe the wish would let you do that?
"You're trying too hard. The wish is too much. You'd be trading your soul to pay a few weeks' rent and a patched up hand. Even rescuing you from the fire doesn't mean you owe us your life. The firefighters were literally right there; I got hit by a fire hose on the way out. We just made things a little less uncomfortable.
"Your soul is worth far more than that; don't think of it so cheaply, and don't think that that's the only way you can pay people back for what they've done for you. Also, don't think that there aren't already people who feel like they owe you for things you'd do as a matter of course. Just like Hitomi would never turn away a friend who'd lost a home, the idea of you needing to "pay her back" is just silly. Just like you're a good friend to Madoka and Mami and me. Do you really think it's even conceivable that any of us would not have run in there to pull you out of the fire without being sure you owed us some 'favor' for it?
"The fact is, you've already paid for any and all of these 'favors' simply because you're our friend. Madoka, Hitomi, Mami, myself, and yes, even Homura. You're the one that carries the burden of keeping people happy, you know? It's hard to explain without sounding cheesy, but you're the cheerful ball of energy that's supported Madoka and Hitomi for years, forbidden love and all. Despite your arguments with Homura, you stand up for and protect Madoka, and that means more to her than you realize. You're one of Mami's precious kohai, and as strong as Mami is, she needs the support of those who believe in her now more than ever.
"So don't you dare think that you're worthless, or that you owe people, or that you need to make a wish to compare with the gifts that others give to you. Those gifts are given because we think you deserve it, and we want you to keep being the person that we want to give these gifts to. That's not nearly as easy as you think. Really, none of the rest of us can do it. Can you imagine Homura playing the role of Sayaka Miki for a week? Mami, the cheerful slacker? Madoka, declaring Hitomi to be her wife?
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
Too late.
Way too late.
I've been trying to think about this from other angles, and I have something of a suggestion. This is... it's what I would do if these were my friends, and it's something I was taught by a professional counsellor back when I used to be an RA, for what little that's worth.
[] Take a deep breath and give it a moment.
[] Mami... I know you've had a few very trying days. Did you want to... talk about it?
-[] Let her talk, cry, whatever, as much as she needs. Listen, and let Madoka and the others show their support.
[] If we were successful with Mami, try the same with Sayaka. Don't let her play down her feelings as insignificant, either.
[] If Mami refuses, do what we can to relax the mood. Fresh tea. Dinner. Smiles and casual conversation, if appropriate.
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I'd use @Ugolino 's line for Sayaka too if it weren't repetitive. "Did you want to talk about it?" is a very powerful question, even if it isn't answered or if it's refused. And thank you for reminding me of it.
As for why I think it'd help:
- This is close to the most supportive environment we can get for Mami. Despite the sad. Maybe because of it. Madoka is going to jump on anything she can do to help, even if it's just being a supportive listener.
- She desperately needs to release stress and to express herself. Even if it's a crying breakdown like we're halfway to already.
- She can say no, or more likely, refuse nonverbally. We use the gentlest possible way to bring this up, and put the choice in her hands. Even if she declines, she knows that she has four friends who support her no matter what and will listen any time.
- We can tell Madoka what her support means to the three of us all we want, but it would be so much more effective if she realized it herself. Or even if we brought it up after an unwitting demonstration.
- If she opens up, it demonstrates the supportiveness of everyone here to Sayaka and, dare I say it, Homura. It gives us something to build on for tackling their issues, be it today or weeks from now.
Is it worth trying? Issues with wording?
[] Take a deep breath and give it a moment.
[] Mami... I know you've had a few very trying days. Did you want to... talk about it?
-[] Let her talk, cry, whatever, as much as she needs. Listen, and let Madoka and the others show their support.
[] If we were successful with Mami, try the same with Sayaka. Don't let her play down her feelings as insignificant, either.
[] If Mami refuses, do what we can to relax the mood. Fresh tea. Dinner. Smiles and casual conversation, if appropriate.
e: updated version on the next page
I'd use @Ugolino 's line for Sayaka too if it weren't repetitive. "Did you want to talk about it?" is a very powerful question, even if it isn't answered or if it's refused. And thank you for reminding me of it.
As for why I think it'd help:
- This is close to the most supportive environment we can get for Mami. Despite the sad. Maybe because of it. Madoka is going to jump on anything she can do to help, even if it's just being a supportive listener.
- She desperately needs to release stress and to express herself. Even if it's a crying breakdown like we're halfway to already.
- She can say no, or more likely, refuse nonverbally. We use the gentlest possible way to bring this up, and put the choice in her hands. Even if she declines, she knows that she has four friends who support her no matter what and will listen any time.
- We can tell Madoka what her support means to the three of us all we want, but it would be so much more effective if she realized it herself. Or even if we brought it up after an unwitting demonstration.
- If she opens up, it demonstrates the supportiveness of everyone here to Sayaka and, dare I say it, Homura. It gives us something to build on for tackling their issues, be it today or weeks from now.
Is it worth trying? Issues with wording?
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