@Ugolino: Teenage girls are not most rational. That said, if you have different reading of Akiko's character, please share.

@Cannongerbil: You're going to have to use more words, again.
Do you advocate for minimum lives saved or prioritisation of some lives instrically above others
 
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@Ugolino: Teenage girls are not most rational. That said, if you have different reading of Akiko's character, please share.
Akiko is in a breakdown, doesn't know enough about us to use the witchbomb as a weapon, and generally does not come over as being at all inclined to try and go "lol witchbomb"- plus you're saying a witchout is a possibility with Sabrina meters away.
 
@Cannongerbil: You're taking me out of context.
We'd want to save as many people as we can. This "Greater Good" probably requires that we pick saving most people - as such, deciding to save 2 cities over saving just one beats the situation.
Obviously there are some concerns re:Madoka, but I think you can udnerstand the sentiment of "can't save everyone".
I really hoped you were joking.

You know, other than the obvious connection we have to Mitakihara, we also have an obligation to stop Walpurgisnacht. You know why? Because Homura will loop again if we don't. The only way she wouldn't is if we convinced Madoka to leave, and if she didn't just contract to try and save her home, she would never forgive us for abandoning a city we could almost certainly save.
TL;DR, we don't want to disappoint our parents, do we?
it hasn't even been two pages since we agreed to drop this subject
Agreed. Let's drop this shit like a hot brick. We aren't doing it right now, and most of us can agree on that.
 
@SWB: Right, less arguing, more voting as needed.

[X] Clean your gem
[X] Agree
[X] Telepathy to UG and talk to Sendai: Whenever a grief seed has to be filled up, call Sabrina. It is not like Mitakihara is far.
[X] Ask if Rin or anybody else needs a cleanse
[X] Get Ueda home
[X] Check if there is anything else with UG
[X] Finally, telepathy to Yumi the inconsistency in Akiko and Ishinomaki stories about Kato.
[X] Request leadership-level talks — yourself, Akiko, and Yumi.
-[X] This will involve some very unpleasant topics. Yumi has to pick up where Akiko left off. Ask if everyone — including Akiko — is OK with that arrangement.
-[X] If Akiko objects, ask if a private discussion between just Sabrina and Akiko would be acceptable instead.
-[X] Hand Mami your gem for safekeeping during this.

Akiko is in a breakdown, doesn't know enough about us to use the witchbomb as a weapon, and generally does not come over as being at all inclined to try and go "lol witchbomb"- plus you're saying a witchout is a possibility with Sabrina meters away.
It's not Akiko witchbombing here and now I'm talking about. The thing about meters away is a reason to have this talk now, even.

But the big post-action thing resulting from Akiko being desperate and directly or incidentially witchbombing Ishinomaki.

@Gadjo: While there are obvious end-of-the word considerations with Mitakihara, I don't hold it as instrically most good.

Obviously, we should save Mitakihara when it means the end of the world otherwise. But I don't think we should save Mitakihara at the cost of the rest of the entire world when it doesn't mean the end of the world otherwise.

Though this does segue into another potential thing: Do you think we should kill all witches and familiars in Mitakihara ASAP, to protect the people in it the most?
 
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I did mention that there are complications, but what exactly is wrong with the sentiment of wanting to save more people?
There's nothing wrong with wanting to save more people, but leaving madoka in mitikahara during any sort of catasrophe would likely result in a contract. Which results in KG. Which results in the world ceasing to exist.

That's all I'm willing to keep writing about this.
 
@Cannongerbil: You're going to have to use more words, again.
Do you advocate for minimum lives saved or prioritisation of some lives instrically above others

What the fuck do you want me to say, exactly? You are advocating that we leave the city where most of our friends live and where we spent most of our lives in to get destroyed by a grand uberwitch for vague reasons, without taking into account Homura's timeloops, and also ignoring the consequences of Madoka making a wish, which is bound to happen if we leave Mitakihara to get wrecked by Walpurgis.

Let me put it this way, imagine a wall of text comprised out of "Fuck"s, occasionally inter spaced with "retard" and "braindead". That's basically what my post would've been had I used actual words instead of that gif.
 
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@Dirtnap: Sure, that is why I mentioned it.

@Cannongerbil:
I used it "Mitakihara being destroyed due us saving more people than are lost by that" as an analogue to "leave Akiko in Yumi's hands due us saving more people without her constantly hanging on to us", for anti-discussion position if Akiko would suddenly start loving us. Hypotheticals are a thing.

Edit: Ninja'd by GM. Actually, that sounds like a fine idea for myself, too.
 
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"We've Got Hostiles" pt. 48
"Alright," you say, nodding. You... you'd really rather they listened. But you don't want to push too hard, either. So you'll let them go.

"Thank you," Sasami says, half turning away to face Yumi instead. The gravity controller holds out the bag of Grief Seeds, and Sasami receives them, bowing awkwardly. Yumi bows in return, equally awkwardly.

Sasami looks at Yumi for a moment longer, before her eyes dart to you.

"Thank you, Miss Minami, Miss Sabrina," Sasami says. "We will be leaving Sendai City now," she adds, the words stilted. She walks back to her group, and on some unspoken signal, all three walk to the edge of the roof and leap away into the darkness and rain.

Moe and Kuvira -Atsuko, dammit, but Kuvira is such a good name- are quickly lost to the shroud of rain, but Sasami remains visible, a glittering speck sparkling with multicoloured fire as her dress catches the light glowing up from the streets below.

With some satisfaction, you note that their path out of the city will take them over the worst of the devastation they themselves had wrought.

Mami's hand remains on yours, rough leather of her half glove and soft, warm skin of her fingers in stark contrast. You wonder about your own reaction, that sudden, bubbling font of rage, and Mami worrying for you. You... you shouldn't have gotten angry. Not like that.

Your hand tightens on Mami's, and she squeezes back, smiling up at you. That same, faintly worried expression as earlier. You smile back, and this time, Mami doesn't look away, the lines around her eyes easing slowly.

You look at Kirika. The black haired girl looks back, raising both her eyebrows and grinning at you. You try to look apologetic, and she rolls her eyes, grin unfaltering... until she yawns widely again, anyway. She shuts her mouth with a snap, grin resuming unabashedly.

You take a shuddering breath, letting the rest of your anger drain away, though you can feel what might be a migraine building at the back of your skull. It's psychosomatic, you tell yourself. You shouldn't even be able to have migraines any more.

Nevertheless. You cross your arms over your chest, patiently eyeing the University girls, on the next roof over. From the looks of it - four figures and then one standing in front of them, Noa's talking to them. Asking them about you, at a guess. You shift to looking at the Sendai girls instead; Sakura and Rin drawn off to the side, speaking to each other in hushed murmurs, Tamiko watching the pair with a distinctly thoughtful air, and Yumi looking... unhappy, or possibly worried.

The gravity controller meets your gaze, and she tries to clear her expression in favour of a neutral mask, but doesn't quite succeed. You try to look... less threatening, but you're not sure whether you succeeded, either.

Ah, well.

The University Girls choose to return at this point, Noa in tow. They all look considerably relieved, each of them bearing a giddy smile. You can feel the Grief Seeds that Yumi had given them spread around their number, each of them having taken three from the Grief Seeds.

They land on the rooftop, and nod at you, Chouko looking askance at you.

"The Fukushima girls have agreed to depart in peace, so we let them go," you say in response to the unspoken question. Noa gives you another sharp eyed look at that, seeming to consider that highly interesting.

Which reminds you.

"Hmm," you say, looking at Rin. The healings she's been dishing out have left her Grief levels... a shade high, and... Yumi's running a little high, too. You feel somewhat guilty for putting her on the spot, but well. And... yourself. Your own levels of Grief are somewhat higher than they should be. "Rin, you need a cleanse, right? And anyone else?"

Yumi hesitates, before nodding slowly. Sakura speaks up, to your surprise. "Fuck. Hit me too," she grunts.

"Eh, I'll just cleanse everyone, unless anyone has objections?" you ask, absently checking Sakura's Grief level. It's not high, about baseline since you'd last cleansed her. Which was... during the fight, you think? Huh. Odd.

A few shaken heads in response, including Noa's.

A casual wave of your hand pulls free corruption in thick, ropy streams that wisp into the air to join the constellation of spheres still drifting around the roof. Mami squeezes your hand lightly, giving you a grateful smile.

"Alright. Miss Ueda, are you ready to go home?" you ask the Tokyo girl, who's returned to trying to pat her voluminous twintails dry.

"... yes," she replies. "Though... it's possible that I will be in contact with you at a later time, if that's acceptable, Miss Sabrina?"

You shrug. "Yes, that's fine." You have a fair idea of what about, but well, it's the price of what you've done so far, you guess. Well. "Sakura, are you willing to send her back? I'll refresh your Grief Seeds for you afterwards?"

"Yeah, yeah," Sakura grumbles, stomping forward. "Fucking hell." She holds out an arm for Noa to take.

Noa stops to bow politely at you, Yumi, and Chouko before taking Sakura's arm. The teleporter, still looking thoroughly displeased with the universe at large, focuses, and vanishes with the familiar vwwp noise.

"Hmm," you say out loud. "OK. The next order of business is dealing with Miss Hamasaki, I feel." You look around seriously. "But I'm pretty sure it's going to go into some fairly personal matters, so I would prefer to talk to her alone." You transfer your gaze to Chouko. "Miss Tsubaki, I understand if you want to be around for the resolution of that, since Miss Hamasaki has been..." You pause, searching for a word.

"Kind of a bitch," Chouko supplies, before frowning slightly, considering it. "No, I think we're willing to leave it to you, Miss Sabrina."

"Then I'll pass you the relevant information by telepathy?" yu offer.

"That's fine," Chouko says.

"Alright," you agree. "While we wait, then, is there anything you'd like to ask me? Or tell me? Anyone?" You look around at the Sendai girls, including them in the question. Nobody seems to want to meet your gaze, though, avoiding your eyes. Nobody except for Rin, who gives you a sympathetic nod.

You roll your neck, feeling the tightness of your muscles. Pent up irritation, if not anger.

[] Write-in

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Heh.
 
"Alright," you say, nodding. You... you'd really rather they listened. But you don't want to push too hard, either. So you'll let them go.

"Thank you," Sasami says, half turning away to face Yumi instead. The gravity controller holds out the bag of Grief Seeds, and Sasami receives them, bowing awkwardly. Yumi bows in return, equally awkwardly.

Sasami looks at Yumi for a moment longer, before her eyes dart to you.

"Thank you, Miss Minami, Miss Sabrina," Sasami says. "We will be leaving Sendai City now," she adds, the words stilted. She walks back to her group, and on some unspoken signal, all three walk to the edge of the roof and leap away into the darkness and rain.

Moe and Kuvira -Atsuko, dammit, but Kuvira is such a good name- are quickly lost to the shroud of rain, but Sasami remains visible, a glittering speck sparkling with multicoloured fire as her dress catches the light glowing up from the streets below.

With some satisfaction, you note that their path out of the city will take them over the worst of the devastation they themselves had wrought.

Mami's hand remains on yours, rough leather of her half glove and soft, warm skin of her fingers in stark contrast. You wonder about your own reaction, that sudden, bubbling font of rage, and Mami worrying for you. You... you shouldn't have gotten angry. Not like that.

Your hand tightens on Mami's, and she squeezes back, smiling up at you. That same, faintly worried expression as earlier. You smile back, and this time, Mami doesn't look away, the lines around her eyes easing slowly.

You look at Kirika. The black haired girl looks back, raising both her eyebrows and grinning at you. You try to look apologetic, and she rolls her eyes, grin unfaltering... until she yawns widely again, anyway. She shuts her mouth with a snap, grin resuming unabashedly.

You take a shuddering breath, letting the rest of your anger drain away, though you can feel what might be a migraine building at the back of your skull. It's psychosomatic, you tell yourself. You shouldn't even be able to have migraines any more.

Nevertheless. You cross your arms over your chest, patiently eyeing the University girls, on the next roof over. From the looks of it - four figures and then one standing in front of them, Noa's talking to them. Asking them about you, at a guess. You shift to looking at the Sendai girls instead; Sakura and Rin drawn off to the side, speaking to each other in hushed murmurs, Tamiko watching the pair with a distinctly thoughtful air, and Yumi looking... unhappy, or possibly worried.

The gravity controller meets your gaze, and she tries to clear her expression in favour of a neutral mask, but doesn't quite succeed. You try to look... less threatening, but you're not sure whether you succeeded, either.

Ah, well.

The University Girls choose to return at this point, Noa in tow. They all look considerably relieved, each of them bearing a giddy smile. You can feel the Grief Seeds that Yumi had given them spread around their number, each of them having taken three from the Grief Seeds.

They land on the rooftop, and nod at you, Chouko looking askance at you.

"The Fukushima girls have agreed to depart in peace, so we let them go," you say in response to the unspoken question. Noa gives you another sharp eyed look at that, seeming to consider that highly interesting.

Which reminds you.

"Hmm," you say, looking at Rin. The healings she's been dishing out have left her Grief levels... a shade high, and... Yumi's running a little high, too. You feel somewhat guilty for putting her on the spot, but well. And... yourself. Your own levels of Grief are somewhat higher than they should be. "Rin, you need a cleanse, right? And anyone else?"

Yumi hesitates, before nodding slowly. Sakura speaks up, to your surprise. "Fuck. Hit me too," she grunts.

"Eh, I'll just cleanse everyone, unless anyone has objections?" you ask, absently checking Sakura's Grief level. It's not high, about baseline since you'd last cleansed her. Which was... during the fight, you think? Huh. Odd.

A few shaken heads in response, including Noa's.

A casual wave of your hand pulls free corruption in thick, ropy streams that wisp into the air to join the constellation of spheres still drifting around the roof. Mami squeezes your hand lightly, giving you a grateful smile.

"Alright. Miss Ueda, are you ready to go home?" you ask the Tokyo girl, who's returned to trying to pat her voluminous twintails dry.

"... yes," she replies. "Though... it's possible that I will be in contact with you at a later time, if that's acceptable, Miss Sabrina?"

You shrug. "Yes, that's fine." You have a fair idea of what about, but well, it's the price of what you've done so far, you guess. Well. "Sakura, are you willing to send her back? I'll refresh your Grief Seeds for you afterwards?"

"Yeah, yeah," Sakura grumbles, stomping forward. "Fucking hell." She holds out an arm for Noa to take.

Noa stops to bow politely at you, Yumi, and Chouko before taking Sakura's arm. The teleporter, still looking thoroughly displeased with the universe at large, focuses, and vanishes with the familiar vwwp noise.

"Hmm," you say out loud. "OK. The next order of business is dealing with Miss Hamasaki, I feel." You look around seriously. "But I'm pretty sure it's going to go into some fairly personal matters, so I would prefer to talk to her alone." You transfer your gaze to Chouko. "Miss Tsubaki, I understand if you want to be around for the resolution of that, since Miss Hamasaki has been..." You pause, searching for a word.

"Kind of a bitch," Chouko supplies, before frowning slightly, considering it. "No, I think we're willing to leave it to you, Miss Sabrina."

"Then I'll pass you the relevant information by telepathy?" yu offer.

"That's fine," Chouko says.

"Alright," you agree. "While we wait, then, is there anything you'd like to ask me? Or tell me? Anyone?" You look around at the Sendai girls, including them in the question. Nobody seems to want to meet your gaze, though, avoiding your eyes. Nobody except for Rin, who gives you a sympathetic nod.

You roll your neck, feeling the tightness of your muscles. Pent up irritation, if not anger.

[] Write-in

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Heh.
[]Can we have some privacy please? We want to talk to Akiko. Just us and her. We'll call if we need help to get her to calm down, but we just want a heart to heart with her.
-[]Promise to Mami that we'll be careful.
[]Keep Akiko bound. Cleanse her gem. Carry her body up to the radio tower. Make sure you're alone with grief senses, and wake her.
[]Reassure her until she's calm.
[]If she becomes coherent...
-[]Akiko, I just want to know why. Tell me about Setsuko. How did you find out about what happened to her? How are grief seeds involved?
 
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Yumi hesitates, before nodding slowly. Sakura speaks up, to your surprise. "Fuck. Hit me too," she grunts.

"Eh, I'll just cleanse everyone, unless anyone has objections?" you ask, absently checking Sakura's Grief level. It's not high, about baseline since you'd last cleansed her. Which was... during the fight, you think? Huh. Odd.
That surprised me. Sakura letting us cleanse her gem, even though she doesn't really need it.
And everybody from Sendai is terrified of us, aside from Rin. Great.
 
You take a shuddering breath, letting the rest of your anger drain away, though you can feel what might be a migraine building at the back of your skull. It's psychosomatic, you tell yourself. You shouldn't even be able to have migraines any more.
If this was a medical drama, this would raise so many red flags.

Actually, we might want to get this checked out to make sure that it really is psychosomatic. Meguca still do get sick, don't they?
 
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I'd like to have Mami guard our gem for this - not necessarily because of any particular risk to us (although I bet Akiko would like to take a piece out of us, and is probably in a poor decisions kinda headspace right now), but because it's a strong demonstration of trust and actually shows us being careful.
 
I'd like to have Mami guard our gem for this - not necessarily because of any particular risk to us (although I bet Akiko would like to take a piece out of us, and is probably in a poor decisions kinda headspace right now), but because it's a strong demonstration of trust and actually shows us being careful.
The issue there is that Mami'd still be on the edge of earshot- which makes it somewhat problematic. Adding it anyway.

[]Can we have some privacy please? We want to talk to Akiko. Just us and her. We'll call if we need help to get her to calm down, but we just want a heart to heart with her.
-[]Promise to Mami that we'll be careful. Ask her if she could hang onto our gem, just in case.
[]Keep Akiko bound. Cleanse her gem. Carry her body up to the radio tower. Make sure you're alone with grief senses, and wake her.
[]Reassure her until she's calm.
[]If she becomes coherent...
-[]Akiko, I just want to know why. Tell me about Setsuko. How did you find out about what happened to her? How are grief seeds involved?
 
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I'd like to have Mami guard our gem for this - not necessarily because of any particular risk to us (although I bet Akiko would like to take a piece out of us, and is probably in a poor decisions kinda headspace right now), but because it's a strong demonstration of trust and actually shows us being careful.
I personally don't like the idea of giving out soul gem away to someone else, though I see the merits of what you are proposing. It's not that big of an issue, just voicing my discomfort with the idea.

Incidentally, can we make an effort not to do this in the future unless it's REALLY necessary? I'd hate to make a habit out of handing our gem over.

[x] Ugolino
 
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I think it'd be better if Yumi was present for waking at least, and we then checked if Akiko wanted to keep it private like Kinematics suggested.

If it is just us, she's going to lash out and call help by telepathy when we restrain her.
 
Is giving our soul gem away really necessary?
I find it highly unlikely that Akiko can do anything to our soul gem, while she is still bound.
We could make a grief capsule for our soul gem or something.
Giving our soul gem to Mami just gives her another reason to worry about us. It's like saying that we expect to get maimed or killed.
Great way to reassure her that it's a good idea to let us talk to Akiko on our own :V

I also don't think Sabrina has a chance to calm down Akiko without wasting a lot of time and getting screamed at for quite a while.
I think getting someone from Sendai to wake her up would be better than trying it on our own.
Maybe Sakura since she already saw the sorry state Akiko was in.
 
@Guilop: The point of handing soul gem to Mami is to get her away, with some ancillary Kirika/Mami fun/trust & closeness.

Basically, it'd be neat to have an excuse beyond "we don't want you to hear this" to her.
 
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@Guilop: The point of handing soul gem to Mami is to get her away, with some ancillary Kirika/Mami fun/trust & closeness.

Basically, it'd be neat to have an excuse beyond "we don't want you to hear this" to her.
I know what giving away the soul gem intends to do.
It's just likely that Mami won't be happy if we give her our soul gem for safekeeping.
This implies that we expect Akiko to try and kill us, as soon as we wake her up, which gives just gives Mami a better reason for wanting to tag along.
 
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