- Location
- Sweden
[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Family matters
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X][Main] Expand Forest - Fishing Minors
[X][Secondary] Annex Fishing Minors
[X][Secondary] Establish Annual Festival
Study Stars - Valleyhome
New Settlement, Southern Coast - Redshore
The king sunk his face into his hands. What had convinced his predecessor to switch out the way writing worked for this new system? It worked, but now sorting out old records was an absolute nightmare, which was particularly bad for trying to figure out long term assignments and contracts and all the things that writing was good for and best when kept consistent. This was making the integration of the fishers even harder than it already was going to be as there were all sorts of trade arrangements that sorting out how they would be transferred over when chiefs declared their loyalty for the king. These records also informed local chiefs about what land to work when, so given that they were pulling out large numbers of workers from the Sacred Forest to go north and begin the establishment of screening lines of forest around the fishing villages - hard work given the terrain and cooler weather meaning that they had to use trees they weren't entirely familiar with, and with black soil production far away they had to set up new production sites and wait for it to mature - so everything was quite tangled.
There was considerable pressure to simply make a lot of responsibilities hereditary, to hand down who worked what land through families and only bother with reassignment when a family line petered out or there were more new people in a family than land to work and a new spot needed to be assigned. This was also more familiar to the people who had only arrived in the past few generations, and for the fishers. There had also been a few recent scandals involving local chiefs repeatedly reassigning people different plots of land over short sequences in order to direct the credit for pioneering or excellent management from the people who did the work to their friends and relatives, thus taking away bonus food and luxury rations for good work from the people who actually deserved them. There was a strong clamor from those affected to have mechanisms in place to make the transference of land management be much harder and thus avoid these forms of corruption. It would also undoubtedly transfer power away from the sprawling networks of political friendships and favours among the local chiefs and subchiefs, who didn't necessarily have to have any significant personal achievements to their name in order to gain influence, just to be born with their parents knowing the right people.
The council was obviously ambivalent about all of this, in that while it would probably result in them losing power, but while they still had power they could also set up their descendants quite nicely by insuring that they had guaranteed inheritances. Of course, there was also a strong strain of tradition against such actions, but then again tradition hadn't restrained lower level politicians from being greedy and short sighted.
And of course this whole mess was coming in when the lowlands situation went hot again and provided a massive disruption to trade in the south, who were honestly some of the largest buyers of the People's luxury goods. For once though the Dead Priests seemed to be on the back foot and in serious trouble, with their attempt at intimidating the relative newcomers of the Thunder Horse resulting in several high ranking priests having their heads mounted on a pole on the Thunder Horse chief's chariot, which turned into significant backlash against the Dead Priests, with news of some minor villages deciding to break away - or at least declare that they weren't going to send off their tributes without an escort, which amounted to telling the Dead Priests that they would have to actively participate in acquisition rather than passively expecting tribute. It was definite trouble, especially with the Highlanders taking a swing at their old enemy after catching their breath.
Some of the advisers actually suggested that if the People were to send emissaries along with their regular trading missions and suggest that some of these villages were to leave the danger of the lowlands for the hills that it might cost the Dead Priests further legitimacy among these groups. It would mean another influx of immigrants at a time when the People were still trying to integrate the last several batches, but... but if they could get the Dead Priests fighting among each other...
Again, if only there were fewer distractions, fewer things demanding immediate attention.
In one bright spot of news the shamans had declared an auspicious alignment of the stars, and the weather had been remarkably stable and conducive to farming, leading to unexpectedly massive harvests. Combined with fewer children growing ill and they were predicting a massive increase in population over the next few generations.
Special: Baby Boom activated. Until capacity is reached or the environmental factors change will receive a free Expand Economy action for every provincial action (currently projected to be 3 next turn)
Integration of the fishing minors is not going as well as it could...
[] The situation will sort itself out (Chance of stability loss)
[] Sweeten the deal for the local chiefs (Additional -1 Diplomacy and -1 Centralization)
[] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
Dealing with property problems...
[] The old ways have worked well enough for us in the past
[] Assigning land management along family lines would simplify things (+1 Stability)
[] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
Dead Priests are in trouble...
[] Leave them be
[] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
[X][Main] Expand Forest - Fishing Minors
[X][Secondary] Annex Fishing Minors
[X][Secondary] Establish Annual Festival
Study Stars - Valleyhome
New Settlement, Southern Coast - Redshore
The king sunk his face into his hands. What had convinced his predecessor to switch out the way writing worked for this new system? It worked, but now sorting out old records was an absolute nightmare, which was particularly bad for trying to figure out long term assignments and contracts and all the things that writing was good for and best when kept consistent. This was making the integration of the fishers even harder than it already was going to be as there were all sorts of trade arrangements that sorting out how they would be transferred over when chiefs declared their loyalty for the king. These records also informed local chiefs about what land to work when, so given that they were pulling out large numbers of workers from the Sacred Forest to go north and begin the establishment of screening lines of forest around the fishing villages - hard work given the terrain and cooler weather meaning that they had to use trees they weren't entirely familiar with, and with black soil production far away they had to set up new production sites and wait for it to mature - so everything was quite tangled.
There was considerable pressure to simply make a lot of responsibilities hereditary, to hand down who worked what land through families and only bother with reassignment when a family line petered out or there were more new people in a family than land to work and a new spot needed to be assigned. This was also more familiar to the people who had only arrived in the past few generations, and for the fishers. There had also been a few recent scandals involving local chiefs repeatedly reassigning people different plots of land over short sequences in order to direct the credit for pioneering or excellent management from the people who did the work to their friends and relatives, thus taking away bonus food and luxury rations for good work from the people who actually deserved them. There was a strong clamor from those affected to have mechanisms in place to make the transference of land management be much harder and thus avoid these forms of corruption. It would also undoubtedly transfer power away from the sprawling networks of political friendships and favours among the local chiefs and subchiefs, who didn't necessarily have to have any significant personal achievements to their name in order to gain influence, just to be born with their parents knowing the right people.
The council was obviously ambivalent about all of this, in that while it would probably result in them losing power, but while they still had power they could also set up their descendants quite nicely by insuring that they had guaranteed inheritances. Of course, there was also a strong strain of tradition against such actions, but then again tradition hadn't restrained lower level politicians from being greedy and short sighted.
And of course this whole mess was coming in when the lowlands situation went hot again and provided a massive disruption to trade in the south, who were honestly some of the largest buyers of the People's luxury goods. For once though the Dead Priests seemed to be on the back foot and in serious trouble, with their attempt at intimidating the relative newcomers of the Thunder Horse resulting in several high ranking priests having their heads mounted on a pole on the Thunder Horse chief's chariot, which turned into significant backlash against the Dead Priests, with news of some minor villages deciding to break away - or at least declare that they weren't going to send off their tributes without an escort, which amounted to telling the Dead Priests that they would have to actively participate in acquisition rather than passively expecting tribute. It was definite trouble, especially with the Highlanders taking a swing at their old enemy after catching their breath.
Some of the advisers actually suggested that if the People were to send emissaries along with their regular trading missions and suggest that some of these villages were to leave the danger of the lowlands for the hills that it might cost the Dead Priests further legitimacy among these groups. It would mean another influx of immigrants at a time when the People were still trying to integrate the last several batches, but... but if they could get the Dead Priests fighting among each other...
Again, if only there were fewer distractions, fewer things demanding immediate attention.
In one bright spot of news the shamans had declared an auspicious alignment of the stars, and the weather had been remarkably stable and conducive to farming, leading to unexpectedly massive harvests. Combined with fewer children growing ill and they were predicting a massive increase in population over the next few generations.
Special: Baby Boom activated. Until capacity is reached or the environmental factors change will receive a free Expand Economy action for every provincial action (currently projected to be 3 next turn)
Integration of the fishing minors is not going as well as it could...
[] The situation will sort itself out (Chance of stability loss)
[] Sweeten the deal for the local chiefs (Additional -1 Diplomacy and -1 Centralization)
[] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
Dealing with property problems...
[] The old ways have worked well enough for us in the past
[] Assigning land management along family lines would simplify things (+1 Stability)
[] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
Dead Priests are in trouble...
[] Leave them be
[] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
Spirit of Fire
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Spirit of Fire
Alipetke was an immigrant. Not an especially unusual thing given the times, but the place he'd chosen to go most certainly was. Everybody told stories of the incredible powers of the hill people, how they didn't deign to turn their might against the Dead Priests for reasons arcane and unknown, but actually living among them told a different story; they simply didn't care about the outside world. Like ants pouring from a hill, they sowed and reaped and milked and slaughtered. And the ones that didn't do that? They almost all seemed to make tools and simple clothes when the workers wore out the old ones!
Naturally, Alipetke couldn't handle the constant labors without a little relaxation, so he began looking for entertainment. It took some doing, but he found his way to the Pleasure Market, something of a mis-translation in his opinion, since, while carnal fun could be had there, most of it revolved around games, contests, and art. In his old village, this would have been the market square. Again, very strange people. His first barter for a stiff drink left him in a good deal of trouble, when he'd insulted the seller for watering it down and being terribly cheap, only to discover that the weak drinks they offered were all these people knew.
Well, Alipetke was an enterprising man, who knew a little of brewing. For months, he squirreled away rations, harsh discipline keeping his stomach just a bit lighter, and he patched his clothes, trading away the new fabrics that came with his food for extra grains. Finally, when he'd amassed enough to start, he used his mother's cousin's recipe for the strong spirits.
After generously sampling his creation, twice, he returned to the pleasure market to show the boring, ant-like people the proper way to brew the strong spirit.
"Go on, drink!" he demanded of the seller. "I will tell you how to make this, but I will want some of your earnings!"
Taking an experimental sniff, the seller recoiled in horror, needing several more minutes of coaxing before a woman, curious about the seller's seeming cowardice, offered to try.
Given how the woman flew into a fit of coughing, within the minute grappling with someone on the street for some slight and propositioning three men and a questionable woman. After she tried to declare herself Gwygo reborn and passed out in the middle of the street, Alipetke was sure. He'd done his relative's secret justice.
Alipetke was an immigrant. Not an especially unusual thing given the times, but the place he'd chosen to go most certainly was. Everybody told stories of the incredible powers of the hill people, how they didn't deign to turn their might against the Dead Priests for reasons arcane and unknown, but actually living among them told a different story; they simply didn't care about the outside world. Like ants pouring from a hill, they sowed and reaped and milked and slaughtered. And the ones that didn't do that? They almost all seemed to make tools and simple clothes when the workers wore out the old ones!
Naturally, Alipetke couldn't handle the constant labors without a little relaxation, so he began looking for entertainment. It took some doing, but he found his way to the Pleasure Market, something of a mis-translation in his opinion, since, while carnal fun could be had there, most of it revolved around games, contests, and art. In his old village, this would have been the market square. Again, very strange people. His first barter for a stiff drink left him in a good deal of trouble, when he'd insulted the seller for watering it down and being terribly cheap, only to discover that the weak drinks they offered were all these people knew.
Well, Alipetke was an enterprising man, who knew a little of brewing. For months, he squirreled away rations, harsh discipline keeping his stomach just a bit lighter, and he patched his clothes, trading away the new fabrics that came with his food for extra grains. Finally, when he'd amassed enough to start, he used his mother's cousin's recipe for the strong spirits.
After generously sampling his creation, twice, he returned to the pleasure market to show the boring, ant-like people the proper way to brew the strong spirit.
"Go on, drink!" he demanded of the seller. "I will tell you how to make this, but I will want some of your earnings!"
Taking an experimental sniff, the seller recoiled in horror, needing several more minutes of coaxing before a woman, curious about the seller's seeming cowardice, offered to try.
Given how the woman flew into a fit of coughing, within the minute grappling with someone on the street for some slight and propositioning three men and a questionable woman. After she tried to declare herself Gwygo reborn and passed out in the middle of the street, Alipetke was sure. He'd done his relative's secret justice.
- Location
- Hell
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
Since we're going to have a boom anyway, take advantage and build boats. We can afford that more than the stability.
Chance of Administrative Innovation is always important. We have little chance otherwise
Since that is already risking Stability loss, I'm going to have to go for Leaving them be and focus on internal affairs.
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
Since we're going to have a boom anyway, take advantage and build boats. We can afford that more than the stability.
Chance of Administrative Innovation is always important. We have little chance otherwise
Since that is already risking Stability loss, I'm going to have to go for Leaving them be and focus on internal affairs.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
- Location
- Philippines
[x] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
More boats is always good and we can tank the cost.
[x] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I rather like being a meritocracy and giving people inheritances will certainly lead to more problems down the line
[x] Leave them be
Hah shame we cannit afford the stab decrease oh well if peoole need help they will have to come to us
More boats is always good and we can tank the cost.
[x] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I rather like being a meritocracy and giving people inheritances will certainly lead to more problems down the line
[x] Leave them be
Hah shame we cannit afford the stab decrease oh well if peoole need help they will have to come to us
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- Location
- Sweden
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[] Leave them be
[] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
We currently have 2 Econ with 6 more coming along, and the Baby Boom action meaning we get even more Econ. I'm disinclined to "sweeten the deal" as that will just make them feel more important and decrease our centralization.
I don't want to have nobles and I don't want to have continued issues. I might be fine with family land management if we could be assured that the chiefs WOULDN'T fuck over others to benefit their own. But we can't, so I'd rather take the risk and hope it ends well.
I want to burn the DP but I don't want to lose stability. Could do family hereditary and the -2 option, could do the opposite.
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- Location
- Hell
This however risks bringing us down to Stability -2
It's going to have to be one or the other.
- Location
- United States
While it would be nice to deal a legitimacy blow to the DP, our own development is more important.
We're gonna be crushing them anyways, so it's just a lost opportunity.
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
We're gonna be crushing them anyways, so it's just a lost opportunity.
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Leave them be
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well! Talk about some auspicious tidings!
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
With the baby boom, we can soak the econ hit.
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I'd rather not make things hereditary- I'm willing to take this gamble
[X] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
It is our way to accept those who come to us. Should they come, we will take them.
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
With the baby boom, we can soak the econ hit.
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I'd rather not make things hereditary- I'm willing to take this gamble
[X] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
It is our way to accept those who come to us. Should they come, we will take them.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
[X] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
I have no idea on what to pick, but ixnay on abandoning those who call for aid!
I have no idea on what to pick, but ixnay on abandoning those who call for aid!
backgroundnoise
Getting Too Old For This...
- Location
- The Shadowlands
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
STOP TRYING TO GIVE YOUR WORTHLESS OFFSPRING OUR STUFF YOU GREEDY LITTLE SHITS! Seriously, we didn't cave last century, and we didn't cave the century before that, what makes you think we're gonna cave now?! Gah, just how long is it gonna take for people to stop pulling this kind of shit?
STOP TRYING TO GIVE YOUR WORTHLESS OFFSPRING OUR STUFF YOU GREEDY LITTLE SHITS! Seriously, we didn't cave last century, and we didn't cave the century before that, what makes you think we're gonna cave now?! Gah, just how long is it gonna take for people to stop pulling this kind of shit?
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[X] Welcome in those who would wish to escape (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
- Location
- Hell
Something to remember though...
[] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
The people might recognize that we are doing this for everyone's betterment.
Especially with how little we agree with the Death Priests, bringing in more people to mess with them could grant us stability instead...
The Omegahugger in me thinks we can pull both of them off.
[] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
[] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
The people might recognize that we are doing this for everyone's betterment.
Especially with how little we agree with the Death Priests, bringing in more people to mess with them could grant us stability instead...
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Well, their just trying to benefit their family, so it'll never stop until at least the industrialized age. What their doing is making sure they and theirs get the best deal for as long as possible
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh. OHHHH.
- Location
- From the moon
As soon as we give everyone common literacy and create an iron clad practice of writing out exactly whose family keeps on pulling this shit and bring about the practice of publically shaming those who keep on pushing it.
So not likely.
- Location
- California
Forever. People will always be trying this one.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] More boats would allow for easier transit to let them know they are being paid attention to (-2 Econ to build more boats)
With the baby boom, we can soak the econ hit.
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I'd rather not make things hereditary- I'm willing to take this gamble
[X] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
EAT GREATER GOOD, DP
With the baby boom, we can soak the econ hit.
[X] Seek some new method of addressing the issue (Significant chance of stability loss, small chance of new innovation)
I'd rather not make things hereditary- I'm willing to take this gamble
[X] Give them a nudge by inviting in more (-2 Stability, -1 Diplomacy, +4-5 Econ, chance the Dead Priests lose more Stability)
EAT GREATER GOOD, DP
Corruption is a constant problem. All we can do is keep a lid on it.
Also, it seems that we're going through Kings like tissue papers.