Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
That's curious.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- United States
@Academia Nut what would happen if we sent our hero to the TH?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You could potentially talk them into taking action that they might not want to for the good of everyone.
- Location
- United States
@Academia Nut would the LoO stability hits come last in line, or will you roll the dice to determine the order of actions?
- Location
- madison
oh thank the spirts we have scourge warding. as I have said before, I am rather glad we have done so much to insulate ourselves form this kind of crap. everyone else is probably eating massive penalties from plague and posslby food issues, all we have to worry about is the panic from the star and lots of immigrants.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Admin roll to determine sequence.
Crit on disease challenge (on its own it was good for you since you were immune but your neighbours weren't), and crit of doom on mystic challenge.
Also, for those of you who don't get the joke in the threadmark name...
- Location
- United States
I'm very wary of this. It feels like the larger the sacrifice the more panicky our civilization gets in regards to disaster. The ??? doesn't inspire confidence.
ABalloonyChaos
Drifts wherever the wind may take me.
- Location
- USA, up in the air.
[x] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
[x] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[x] Talk with the Thunder Horse (Applies Heroic diplomacy to interactions over the crisis)
[x] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[x] Many may enter (-3 Stability, +6-8 Econ, ???)
we are at -1 Stability at the moment I am wary of this.
A bit of risk with Stability, but many possible rewards. We give and try every thing within reason.
[x] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[x] Talk with the Thunder Horse (Applies Heroic diplomacy to interactions over the crisis)
[x] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[x] Many may enter (-3 Stability, +6-8 Econ, ???)
we are at -1 Stability at the moment I am wary of this.
A bit of risk with Stability, but many possible rewards. We give and try every thing within reason.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Size of Sacrifice to Spirits
[] Small (-1 Econ, chance of stability loss, ???)
[] Medium (-2 Econ, ???)
[] Large (-3 Econ, +1 Stability, ???)
[] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
In general, this is just a band-aid stability booster I'm figuring AN is giving us out of pity. I would suggest Medium or Large, Everything should be frowned upon as it may support unusual trait gains, unless you want to go all the way for it (remember that getting good shit immediately tends to shell out shitty values and traits; good traits are often painful to choose).
Emergency Restore Harmony?
[] No, they could cause further panic
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
Likely secondary-quality, which means we're getting 50% to gain 1 stability or better, flat. It's a huge risk, especially if we attempt to take in a chunk of people with LoO and don't choose Large or Everything above.
Share the scourge warding magic?
[] No, it is sacred magic (Small chance of stability loss)
[] It should be shared with friendly tribes (Shares with a few groups)
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
An extremely risky choice, we could either continue to ensure our spiritual dominance in medicine or share. Sharing is good, but in this case, when not sharing freely could brutally cripple the Nomads and Dead Priests for at least this turn, possibly creating further crises if we pressured it...
Where should Twythulmyn go?
[] Remain home (Chance of stability gain)
[] Talk with the Thunder Horse (Applies Heroic diplomacy to interactions over the crisis)
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
I absolutely do not want to sacrifice our king to appease the spirits, regardless of whether or not it lets us have Stability 4 for a while. That kind of thing could very well create a value regarding such sacrifices, and we absolutely don't want that. I would personally prefer remaining home over helping the TH, here, but it depends on how people want to combo out.
With disease and comets, everyone has lost their mind and thousands are running scared
[] Close the borders (-1 Stability, chance of further stability loss)
[] Only let in some (Significant chance of stability loss)
[] Those with preexisting ties can come in (-1 Stability, +2 Econ, small chance of further stability loss)
[] Some from friendly groups can come in (-2 Stability, +4-5 Econ)
[] Many may enter (-3 Stability, +6-8 Econ, ???)
[] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
[] All who need aid must receive it (-5 Stability, +11-15 Econ, overcrowding issues, ???)
Absolutely not the first. The second is iffy. Even the third is kind of risky. The fourth is the most balanced option here (sadly enough), but it's an incredibly risky proposition without taking Everything or Sacrifice The King, two options I am exceedingly wary of voting for...
I would be completely against going any higher, as that all but requires at least one of the BAD VALUE votes above.
[] Small (-1 Econ, chance of stability loss, ???)
[] Medium (-2 Econ, ???)
[] Large (-3 Econ, +1 Stability, ???)
[] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
In general, this is just a band-aid stability booster I'm figuring AN is giving us out of pity. I would suggest Medium or Large, Everything should be frowned upon as it may support unusual trait gains, unless you want to go all the way for it (remember that getting good shit immediately tends to shell out shitty values and traits; good traits are often painful to choose).
Emergency Restore Harmony?
[] No, they could cause further panic
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
Likely secondary-quality, which means we're getting 50% to gain 1 stability or better, flat. It's a huge risk, especially if we attempt to take in a chunk of people with LoO and don't choose Large or Everything above.
Share the scourge warding magic?
[] No, it is sacred magic (Small chance of stability loss)
[] It should be shared with friendly tribes (Shares with a few groups)
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
An extremely risky choice, we could either continue to ensure our spiritual dominance in medicine or share. Sharing is good, but in this case, when not sharing freely could brutally cripple the Nomads and Dead Priests for at least this turn, possibly creating further crises if we pressured it...
Where should Twythulmyn go?
[] Remain home (Chance of stability gain)
[] Talk with the Thunder Horse (Applies Heroic diplomacy to interactions over the crisis)
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
I absolutely do not want to sacrifice our king to appease the spirits, regardless of whether or not it lets us have Stability 4 for a while. That kind of thing could very well create a value regarding such sacrifices, and we absolutely don't want that. I would personally prefer remaining home over helping the TH, here, but it depends on how people want to combo out.
With disease and comets, everyone has lost their mind and thousands are running scared
[] Close the borders (-1 Stability, chance of further stability loss)
[] Only let in some (Significant chance of stability loss)
[] Those with preexisting ties can come in (-1 Stability, +2 Econ, small chance of further stability loss)
[] Some from friendly groups can come in (-2 Stability, +4-5 Econ)
[] Many may enter (-3 Stability, +6-8 Econ, ???)
[] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
[] All who need aid must receive it (-5 Stability, +11-15 Econ, overcrowding issues, ???)
Absolutely not the first. The second is iffy. Even the third is kind of risky. The fourth is the most balanced option here (sadly enough), but it's an incredibly risky proposition without taking Everything or Sacrifice The King, two options I am exceedingly wary of voting for...
I would be completely against going any higher, as that all but requires at least one of the BAD VALUE votes above.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
[X] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[X] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
[X] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[X] All who need aid must receive it (-5 Stability, +11-15 Econ, overcrowding issues, ???)
All in or bust.
[X] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[X] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
[X] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[X] All who need aid must receive it (-5 Stability, +11-15 Econ, overcrowding issues, ???)
All in or bust.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
The only time overcrowding would even fire is if we absorbed four triggers at once. That's the rough equivalent of absorbing our population in population at once.
We really, really need to keep in mind what's actually going on in-setting for this vote and not just look at the numbers.
Consider the diplomatic implications of giving the secret to Scourge Warding to everyone but the DPs, for instance - especially when we know they're resorting to mass sacrifices.
Or the long-term cutural implications of a leader sacrificing their life to their people in this way.
The Restore Harmony action is probably a secondary, not a primary, but I don't think that should remove it from consideration; given the culture we've got running right now, letting a practice of seizing resources for personal or local benefit during disasters set in strikes me as unwise.
Consider the diplomatic implications of giving the secret to Scourge Warding to everyone but the DPs, for instance - especially when we know they're resorting to mass sacrifices.
Or the long-term cutural implications of a leader sacrificing their life to their people in this way.
The Restore Harmony action is probably a secondary, not a primary, but I don't think that should remove it from consideration; given the culture we've got running right now, letting a practice of seizing resources for personal or local benefit during disasters set in strikes me as unwise.
- Location
- Australia
[X] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
[X] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[X] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[X] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[X] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
We can afford everything.
The situation demands it.
More stability is necessary, but we can't give our worst enemy immunity from this disease.
The stability is needed and this is our last turn with him anyway.
We must help people! It is our holy duty!
[X] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[X] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[X] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[X] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
We can afford everything.
The situation demands it.
More stability is necessary, but we can't give our worst enemy immunity from this disease.
The stability is needed and this is our last turn with him anyway.
We must help people! It is our holy duty!
I didn't really complete my thought process, which was that we should really start considering devoting more effort to positive stability, so we have fuel for our stability-to-econ converter
- Location
- United States
[] Large (-3 Econ, +1 Stability, ???)
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[] Some from friendly groups can come in (-2 Stability, +4-5 Econ)
How about this?
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
[] Some from friendly groups can come in (-2 Stability, +4-5 Econ)
How about this?
- The large sacrifice decreases the likely hood of our people panicking whenever there's and issue, and demanding to give up everything we have.
- The RH is a bit of a gamble, but it's necessary.
- Less friendly groups will most likely boost our diplomacy, as well as leave the HK better off than the DP.
- Sacrificing our hero for immediate stability to make RH less of a gamble, as well as that neat legit bonus. I'm worried about setting the precedent on sacrificing leaders in bad times, but it could also serve to immortalize our leaders for great self sacrifice (possibly leading to more heroes).
- Some friendly groups so we can make back our econ losses, with extra. This would keep a nice balance so that we don't go overboard in stability hits trying to chase econ.
- Location
- Australia
More than likely it'll create a legend than a tradition. Twythulmyn is a hero, after all. In terms of cultural impact, self-sacrifice (emphasis on self) for the greater good of all isn't a bad trait to have and it'll cut down on chief corruption.
[] Everything! (-4 Econ, +1 immediate stability, chance of extra stability, ???)
We will be getting refuges, we can afford to lose Econ, we will need stability
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
A little gamble here.
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
This or
[] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
This, since if we give it to everyone else, they would get it anyway.
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
We need stability
[] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
This, or maybe even the next one.
How about something along this lines?
We get a lot of Econ, are the good guys, lose our King, but the legend of the first King sacrificing himself for the People is an extremely powerful message in itself.
Thoughts?
We will be getting refuges, we can afford to lose Econ, we will need stability
[] Yes, the people need to be further calmed (-1 to +2 Stability)
A little gamble here.
[] Even less friendly groups should know of the magic (Shares with many groups, chance of stability gain, ???)
This or
[] Everyone, even the Dead Priests! (Shares far and wide for -1 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, ???)
This, since if we give it to everyone else, they would get it anyway.
[] Speak with spirits (Twythulmyn dies, +1 immediate stability, +1 Legitimacy, ???)
We need stability
[] The People must offer aid (-4 Stability, +8-11 Econ, probable overcrowding issues, ???)
This, or maybe even the next one.
How about something along this lines?
We get a lot of Econ, are the good guys, lose our King, but the legend of the first King sacrificing himself for the People is an extremely powerful message in itself.
Thoughts?
Why are people sharing the scourge cure? Don't we want to conquer the lowlands? Why would we give them the tools they need to out populate us faster than they already are?
This whole plague is an excellent opportunity. The lowlands will slaughter and attack each other as they die of disease while we can continue to grow and spread in the Northern hills.
This whole plague is an excellent opportunity. The lowlands will slaughter and attack each other as they die of disease while we can continue to grow and spread in the Northern hills.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
@Academia Nut
Spirit chief: if the king sacrificed himself, can we make it less painful? Will we be able to have majority of our people to witness the event if it happened?
Spirit chief: if the king sacrificed himself, can we make it less painful? Will we be able to have majority of our people to witness the event if it happened?
