Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Sydney
[x] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
- Location
- Asia
Because the Americas are huge and not all of it has been colonised. We shouldn't just leave it to a handful of nations to conquer at their leisure.
We should have a piece of the pie. Having a piece of territory in the Americas would make it easier for us to influence them in future than trying to do it across the pond.
- Location
- Austria
I'd rather support natives, like not!Inca sitting in their mountains and showing middle finger to Vortuga.
's not like the Americas are empty of native life.
Its not really viable to take and keep long term. Too damned far.
Our priorities should lean towards consolidating our gains if we stay neutral. Finish pushing connectivity so our quality of life aligns with education level.
Then eat another chunk of Greater Ymaryn while we wait for the Railroad and Steam Power.
Our priorities should lean towards consolidating our gains if we stay neutral. Finish pushing connectivity so our quality of life aligns with education level.
Then eat another chunk of Greater Ymaryn while we wait for the Railroad and Steam Power.
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- Asia
The Natives aren't gonna be major factor. The majors powers would ride roughshod over them.
They would be better off in our lands than under other powers.
- Location
- Austria
Ehhh.
Read the design doc please.
Notice the Siberian expansion. As per AN, it only claims the neighbouring part of Siberia.
We will have this comparatively cheap avenue of territorial expansion for a while.
Also, if each Academy can research one thing at a time, and thus they are, so to say, "research slots", we need Education 6 to unlock 4th Academy. This one is quite urgent in my eyes too.
Sooo...we likely need some combination of army investment, siberian frontier, improving connectivity (again) and education investment for the next several turns; after we have 4th Academy, we can switch to pushing out Trust/Espionage to 10+.
At least that's my very rough gameplan so far.
Uh....nno?
Kus consolidated into a minor power already, and, again, not!Inca are still well enough - and with Revolution taking attention of Franco-Iberia away from them, they will likely be overlords of at least West Coast of Southern America.
Like, colonizers are not stopped, but they are having some technical issues compared to OTL. "not!Incas are alive, well, modernized and maintain semi-regular trade with Asian countries, including Ymaryn" is one of them.
The incas lack industrial base, weapons, and a navy. We can sell them 2 out of three. If we sell them the expertise and guns to cover the major ports in navel forts and enough small arms to kick out any invasion that lands on the coast they can hold damn near forever.
Launching an invasion over the ocean is ludicrously hard. Without ports they can easily take to resupply or native infrastructure to take over all the natives need to do is hold the coast. You simply can't land a huge force on undeveloped coast.
They starve unless you send mostly food.
Launching an invasion over the ocean is ludicrously hard. Without ports they can easily take to resupply or native infrastructure to take over all the natives need to do is hold the coast. You simply can't land a huge force on undeveloped coast.
They starve unless you send mostly food.
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- USA
They both practice human sacrifice just the Aztec involved a lot more blood.
Edit: Child sacrifice in pre-Columbian cultures - Wikipedia
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Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
In the end the whole world is communist
(Always hated that about Vicky II, loved everything else)[x] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
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- a
Tapping the huge resources of steel, coal, and oil of gylruv should also be one of our focus as well. With these resources OTL russia had, we can really industrialize like crazy and become even more powerful and influental.
Not to mention, our people could be more prosperous as well.
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- Pilipinas
Thanks! So i get that we want to be friendly with them to annoy the Not!Europeans but it seems like our culture and religion (if they are like the aztec/incas) means we will not be compatible since they are similar to our ancient enemies. We may have to suppress our own population if we want to continue buddying up with them.
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- Austria
mmmmmyeees but we kinda need 4th research slot ASAP so that we don't have to choose between, say, steam engine and breach-loaded rifles because we frankly need both.
5th one would require Education 9, which is likely hard to reach, but 4th can be reached with ~5-6 turns (ideally within 3 if we drop everything else but we aint dropping everything else so).
For industrialization...honestly, invest into education, liberalism, stability and IP laws, and let free market sort it out.
I figured we would purge those practices through fire.
By that I mean we will ether diplo them to stop with a nice warm campfire or get fed up with the slow progress and burn their capitol to the ground in an invasion.
So basically history repeating itself.
By that I mean we will ether diplo them to stop with a nice warm campfire or get fed up with the slow progress and burn their capitol to the ground in an invasion.
So basically history repeating itself.
We don't have to like people to sell them things, other than wanting to irritate the other colonial powers we have no involvement in America at all and no reason to go there aside from trade. I don't see why we would do anything other than just sell them stuff like we do to everyone else.
They are not the inca of the original timeline and they are probably modernizing as fast as they can, which may lead to ban on child sacrifice.
You can't SACRIFICE CHILDREN! If you did that who would be left to work in the textile mills or the mines!?
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- Pilipinas
As long as AN doesnt specifically say so, i highly doubt they'll change their culture after driving off the Not!Spaniards, instead they may just double-down on it.
- Location
- Sydney
@Academia Nut
One point in the Industrial Age Design Doc, why do we have humours medical theory? We had what was basically germ(invisible demon spells) theory long before the OTL invention of humours theory. It should have prevented the idea of unbalanced humours causing illness from ever developing. While our entire medical system died to the Great Khan, we had given germ theory to the Khemtri (and from them the rest of Europe) millennia before.
One point in the Industrial Age Design Doc, why do we have humours medical theory? We had what was basically germ(invisible demon spells) theory long before the OTL invention of humours theory. It should have prevented the idea of unbalanced humours causing illness from ever developing. While our entire medical system died to the Great Khan, we had given germ theory to the Khemtri (and from them the rest of Europe) millennia before.
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Possibly. I am still going over such things. Will probably introduce a "Keep tabs" action to expend temp Espionage and get a more detailed update on affairs.
The Syffrynites have a lot of nasty things to say about the Mapanca, but they are trying to conquer them. Overall they seem fairly okay, if a bit desperate to hang on.
Blame your alchemists. They developed a theoretical framework for viewing the world that slowly crept in, and when the break came in instead of sitting in the theoretical background it surged forward. You still have a pretty strong empirical tradition, but it often has to sit within the elementalist theoretical framework, although that is starting to break down as chemistry grows.
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- Southern Virginia
You didn't have "germ theory." You had "invisible demons cause disease by curses" theory. And once the religious establishment supporting that theory was butchered...
Well look up Semmelweiss for why empirical results without a credible theoretical framework fail to gain traction.
Well look up Semmelweiss for why empirical results without a credible theoretical framework fail to gain traction.
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- Brazil
@ctulhuslp Whats so good about Siberia, tho?
Wouldn't climate conditions make it bitchingly hard to do anything there?
Alaska at least isn't a frozen wasteland, and we know is very very rich in resources. If we do get Siberia, both become very close anyway.
Wouldn't climate conditions make it bitchingly hard to do anything there?
Alaska at least isn't a frozen wasteland, and we know is very very rich in resources. If we do get Siberia, both become very close anyway.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
Good place to send dissidents to.
- Location
- U.S.A.
Prime Gulag real estate comrade.