[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)

Ok lets join the side with all the advantages.
 
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
 
[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
 
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
 
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Guys, from what I understand, sitting this out is pretty much going to mean we miss a shitload of military innovations, which means we get curbstomped the next time a European looks our way.

So yeah, vote neutral if you want to risk being made irrelevant in warfare for a few decades while the europeans start carving off our land like we were Ottoman Empire 2.0.

Doesn't matter, the lightning rounds are over, we can finally Macro our way to OPness again and I don't want our first real round to be trying to fix the goddamn economy again because we spent everything either trying to keep a monarch in power or fighting off every goddamn monarchy in Europe, while also losing all of our friends, allies and trade partners.
 
Like, the horse of human rights and emancipation has left the barn folks, the only question is whether we hop onto it on our own terms or are forces into it by circumstances.

I'd rather do it on our own terms.

sidenote: this is pretty much why I did not want to start the fires of revolution; this train has no brakes and we are on its path too.
 
Seriously, neutral and crown are horrific options for where we are now. We need to get involved if we want to stay relevant, and we cannot support the Crown when we have just sent radical philosophers into our neighbor country.

Please, please, don't vote for those. If you thought the Stallion Tribe crisis was bad, try doing it when also dealing with revolutionaries without us having the Symphony trait.

If supporting the Republic doesn't win, expect to have a shit time as we deal with unsatisfied Russian lower nobles and serfs, all clamoring for revolution.
 
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[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
 
[x] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)
 
Guys, from what I understand, sitting this out is pretty much going to mean we miss a shitload of military innovations, which means we get curbstomped the next time a European looks our way.

So yeah, vote neutral if you want to risk being made irrelevant in warfare for a few decades while the europeans start carving off our land like we were Ottoman Empire 2.0.

You think Western Europe has the logistic and military capacity to support an invasion of Not!Russia and General Winter?
 
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
 
[X] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play

For the moment, leaning towards this. The Hespranxer have just adequately demonstrated what happens to those who try to take on the entire world, and also the perils of invading a country filled with a peasantry motivated to make your occupation hell. Either side involves provoking one of those hornet nests. Let's stay out of it, and start the Industrial Age so that we have some ability to steer in this chaotic mess of a time.
 
Fuck it.
Vive la Révolution

[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
 
Seriously, neutral and crown are horrific options for where we are now. We need to get involved if we want to stay relevant, and we cannot support the Crown when we have just sent radical philosophers into our neighbor country.

Please, please, don't vote for those. If you thought the Stallion Tribe crisis was bad, try doing it when also dealing with revolutionaries without us having the Symphony trait.

If supporting the Republic doesn't win, expect to have a shit time as we deal with unsatisfied Russian lower nobles and serfs, all clamoring for revolution.

The french revolution was a messy bloody clusterfuck, with the rebels turning into far worse monsters than the royals they replaced.

Not going to help them.
 
You think Western Europe has the logistic and military capacity to support an invasion of Not!Russia and General Winter?
They don't have to. We aren't moscow, the capital is instead in Gerogia, on the Black Seas, when they have control of most of the oceans. Trelli isn't invincible, and with the increase in artillery and massive land advantage the Europeans are about to pick up, we could very much be at risk.

As compared to staying neutral, which at best wins us some time to do... what exactly?

Not to mention winning France to our side would be massive, especially if they can pull out a Napolean like IRL.
 
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
 
[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)

Whatever happens, we can't sit this one out. While I would prefer to support the republicans, it has zero chance of winning.

What we need though is to learn how to fight modern landwars, get more diplomatic contacts with our rivals on the continent and get an impetus to open up the parliament for representatives of the commoners to prevent a similar fiasco happening to us, making us a constitutional monarchy down the line.
 
They don't have to. We aren't moscow, the capital is instead in Gerogia, on the Black Seas, when they have control of most of the oceans. Trelli isn't invincible, and with the increase in artillery and massive land advantage the Europeans are about to pick up, we could very much be at risk.

As compared to staying neutral, which at best wins us some time to do... what exactly?

Not to mention winning France to our side would be massive, especially if they can pull out a Napolean like IRL.

Napoleon was a military genius, and crowned himself an Emperor.
He also wanted an alliance with Russia.

We just take him on that offer.
 
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