- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, will picking Small or Big increase our Hierarchy?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Canada
Conflicted over little power or massive power.
The pros of little power is that it'll give us time to build a massive army loyal to only the High Chief while slowly increasing autonomy to the settlements. The cons is that it'll cause unrest and make our hierarchy far too rigid and each option we ignore a turn will suffer from deterioration.
The pros of a massive power is that it keeps everyone happy and integrated in the local power system even more. Our bureaucracy is far more flexible and our economy will grow in the background without our direct intervention so things like settlements, expanding villages, trials and fishing are taken care of in the background so we can focus on big picture things (mining, creating an army, specialized army units, directing overall population growth in directions we need and other huge mega projects). The cons are that they may gain ideas of independence or gain an army much larger then our own and we suffer from a coup d'etat.
Overall massive power increase is the way to go here since it'll force us to expand our warrior class immediately and not let us dawdle on other choices.
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power(Changes government type to EarlyAncient Provincial Kingdom, altersaction spread, completes prereqs forScourge Warding early, miscellaneouseffects)
The pros of little power is that it'll give us time to build a massive army loyal to only the High Chief while slowly increasing autonomy to the settlements. The cons is that it'll cause unrest and make our hierarchy far too rigid and each option we ignore a turn will suffer from deterioration.
The pros of a massive power is that it keeps everyone happy and integrated in the local power system even more. Our bureaucracy is far more flexible and our economy will grow in the background without our direct intervention so things like settlements, expanding villages, trials and fishing are taken care of in the background so we can focus on big picture things (mining, creating an army, specialized army units, directing overall population growth in directions we need and other huge mega projects). The cons are that they may gain ideas of independence or gain an army much larger then our own and we suffer from a coup d'etat.
Overall massive power increase is the way to go here since it'll force us to expand our warrior class immediately and not let us dawdle on other choices.
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power(Changes government type to EarlyAncient Provincial Kingdom, altersaction spread, completes prereqs forScourge Warding early, miscellaneouseffects)
- Location
- United States
Trade missions would probably get a massive bonus from having a diplomatic hero leader...so grabbing allies will be super easy with him.
- Location
- Reno Nv
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
just due to the fact that with more delegate more things can get done and we won't stagnate so often in terms of territory, and the like.
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
just due to the fact that with more delegate more things can get done and we won't stagnate so often in terms of territory, and the like.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
that theoretically tho... how to fix?
there's already a certain amount of autoexpand in the sense that farms and villages are spreading out from cities. But if towns can make other towns and then ask for a district label from the appropriate supervisory adjunct... that'd work p well.
Also, #FBI.
It's worth noting that since the governors can recruit local soldiers we might not need to do a civ-wide Expand Warriors for defensive reasons, although we'd want to if we got attacked in order to draw from the pool across more than a local district.
looking at wherever is most fertile and protected, like we do already. Maybe if they think that there would be interregional disputes they'd negotiate or ask for advice from above, tho.
Wouldn't it just cost another 2 econ?If we build more boats, we'll have to take an econ action next turn.
Another hero unit!
This time diplomacy, which is awesome. Trade missions will likely be super useful now.
*laughs* nvm that econ will prolly be a real problem... But hey, we're kickstarting our metal tool stuff, eh?
WK cus we don't really know where TH is. So Econ action + Trade Mission @ WK + Expand Forest - North.
#tru
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
With out a doubt that metalworkers first and foremost, then the nomads or the kingdom. Metalworkers due to the fact that they have a resource we need the fast track on how to mine/refine/use and one of the others so we can pull another "kill them for us " stunt for a second time (3rd?)
- Pronouns
- They/He
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
We'll already be setting up a permanent trade route with them, but the HK on the other hand is growing w/o support from us and a knowledge that we support them.
The TH is god-knows-where...
ConfusedPotato
Unverified Verifier
- Location
- Australia
Remember part of our power comes from the fact that we have high centralization we need to be wary of this when giving our power as it may lower it. The fact that our centralisation is lower than our hierarchy is kind of bad as we have a higher centralisation tolerance.
- Location
- United States
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom (Elected), alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom (Elected), alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
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- Location
- Panama City
Replace that expand forest with expand trails. Remember that we're still supplying our second coastal village by boat!
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Then we run into the issue of 'who watches the watchers?' problem. And the high chief's job is already big enough to require sub department chiefs. Maybe if we setup a chief to control the black birds? Risky if he get ideas.
I don't like my stomach talking back to my brain. Like the locals will focus on local problems, but unable to assess distant problem. But i have no better alternative than what we have on the table.
- Location
- Australia
It won't just decrease our Centralisation, it'll also increase our Hierarchy in all likelihood, which is already at maximum.
- Location
- Panama City
We're changing government type with this choice, which presumably will either reset stats or have a higher hierarchy tolerance, maybe both.
- Location
- United States
A large increase would evolve our government, which would increase our hierarchy tolerance.
We'll have to carefully manage our centralization though in order to keep the local chiefs from becoming too powerful.
- Location
- Hell
[X] Standard
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
I'm going to stick with Standard High Chief. Going with specialized chief leaves us at risk when we need to do project outside his scope. Just like what happened with Thunder Horse/Spirit Talker mess, or the flanking action earlier than that.
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
I'm going to stick with Standard High Chief. Going with specialized chief leaves us at risk when we need to do project outside his scope. Just like what happened with Thunder Horse/Spirit Talker mess, or the flanking action earlier than that.
Not necessary, we would already have that with the boats choice
But trade isn't something we need help on, it's military that needs to be focused on
- Location
- Canada
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
But we need to evolve our government, we're growing too large for the current system!
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
New Heir?
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
There has been a proposal to build more boats
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
Increase rights and responsibilities of local chiefs?
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Twythulmyn (Mediocre Martial, Average Econ, Heroic Diplomacy, probable two turn lifespan)
There has been a proposal to build more boats
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
Increase rights and responsibilities of local chiefs?
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
- Location
- Hollister
[X] Standard
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
[X] Yes (Consumes Econ, establishes permanent oversea trade route with Metal Workers)
[X] Large increase to local power (Changes government type to Early Ancient Provincial Kingdom, alters action spread, completes prereqs for Scourge Warding early, miscellaneous effects)
- Location
- United States
The hero isn't poor at anything though, just average.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Which we can at least boost with trails, as that facilitates communication, movement, and control within our territory. Maybe there' should something our Harmony value can give to boost Centralization?
- Location
- Hell
New Stats
Econ dropped 4 points this turn. Mysticism is down to one as well, so we need to raise that as well.
Yes he is, at martial. Which is the stat we need to upgrade.