This is paranoia, pure and simple. They are in the mountains, across the sea, in a scenario where we barely have the sealift to contest them if they came for Greenshore, and unable to leverage our numerical advantages in a war, unable to use our cavalry in the mountains and at the longest extreme of our logistics with three targets near them none on defensive terrain..
They were Ymaryn themselves. They know this.

The only measure they'd need is to not invade someone else until our Genius dies. If you think the HK was hard to invade, try invading someone in their situation except at five times the distance away.

They're Ymaryn who have found it very easy to convince themselves that aggressive war was a good idea. They know that the required mental gymnastics aren't hard. They also are more likely to overestimate the similarities than the differences. That's human nature to project one's own flaws on to others.

They also know that we attacked Trelli over slavery, and that we probably consider almost-People being slavers a much worse sin. It's also the logical next step of the also insane looking decision from the outside to reform the half-exiles to remove the remaining resemblance to slavery. We also just managed to conquer the Forhuch, who are even further from our Core provinces.

Being paranoid about what a civilization known for launching insane wars will do when they get what looks like the perfect setup to fight insane wars and win is not paranoia at all. The Ymaryn have serious form here. No one else would have reformed the half-exiles either.
 
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And the Chinese Emperor wouldn't have the knowledge that the Ymaryn do about a neighbour that's an offshoot of them. Bring arrogant about how you compare to total strangers is different to being able to reasonably measure the threat level of people you have a very close relationship with.
Uh, what knowledge? We know a little about what they are doing, but how much of their composition do we really know? Have we learned if they have any true cities? Do we know what kind of infrastructure they have in place? What does their army specialize in? Do they have Light Cavalry ready now? What is their government style?

Like, we know very little about them, and most of what we do know is pretty superficial. Saying they have nothing is arrogance incarnate, and will lead to our downfall if we embrace the idea that nobody has anything worth teaching us.

Hell, just a little while ago, we saw that by getting their artisans to work with ours, we were able to make the first real step into steel. That's definitely not something a civ that has 'nothing' would be able to do.

Pride in what we've done is fine. We've come far, and we're certain to make the history books at this point. But saying that these other groups have no real power to affect us? That they are insignificant compared to us? That is the height of foolishness.

Any other nation can become a threat. Even the HK became a threat with enough time and motivation.
 
If we refuse, they'll probably assume that it's because we've decided on doing this the hard way, and so take measures to prepare to defend themselves.
Now that's paranoia. We don't even have CB to conquer them, nevermind how hard it would be and how little it offers us. They should understand it.

I don't think they have some nefarious plans to take over, except maybe as a pipe dream, but I also doubt they are that scared. They probably just want a strong ally with close connections.
 
'nothing' would be able to do.

My comparison was about strong cultural leverage. They're bound to have some strengths, but if they were things that gave them major cultural or political influence, we'd have seen it already, because it would already be affecting us.

Now that's paranoia. We don't even have CB to conquer them, nevermind how hard it would be and how little it offers us. They should understand it.

I don't think they have some nefarious plans to take over, except maybe as a pipe dream, but I also doubt they are that scared. They probably just want a strong ally with close connections.

How do they know we don't have a CB though? There's evidence for them that we have an anti-slavery CB. We don't, but they probably don't realise it.

They're also in the same strategic position for our holdings on the Western shore of the Ymaryn Sea that the Forhurch are for our Lowland holdings. They're the mountains that would shield them from outside attack.
 
Now that's paranoia. We don't even have CB to conquer them, nevermind how hard it would be and how little it offers us. They should understand it.

I don't think they have some nefarious plans to take over, except maybe as a pipe dream, but I also doubt they are that scared. They probably just want a strong ally with close connections.
A strong, but definitely temporary ally, since they know our government system is elective. The alliance won't last past the generation. That says something rather specific in mind.
How do they know we don't have a CB though? There's evidence for them that we have an anti-slavery CB. We don't, but they probably don't realise it.
They postdate the Trell war. They KNOW we don't. They were there
 
Nuuu, all my proxy voters. Sads.

*grumbles*

Thanks to visiting family on turkey day, I only managed to get up now.

As much as I prefer the formatting of Main Great Dam, I cannot do anything about it now >3>

[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Retraining
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Great Dam x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

Please do not give up on Mass Levies!
 
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Have the Ymaryn ever acted in a sane, rational manner in their foreign policy? From an outside, contemporary perspective?
 
And the Chinese Emperor wouldn't have the knowledge that the Ymaryn do about a neighbour that's an offshoot of them.
Note that the Storm Ymaryn are NOT an offshoot of us.

The Western Ymaryn was an offshoot of the Ymaryn - we knew roughly had an idea of what they were capable of, how large they were, etc. Then the Western Ymaryn was attached to the Storm Tribes like a head to a headless body. Then the resulting Chimera grew in size by gobbling up the Storm Tribes' neighbors. This conglomerate is what we call the Storm Ymaryn.

We don't especially know the Storm Tribes, and we definitely don't know their neighbors, so I would be extremely hesitant to say that we know the Storm Ymaryn. Now, we can certainly come to some conclusions about them, especially in terms of their administration, but I'd say that is a drop in the bucket.
 
A strong, but definitely temporary ally, since they know our government system is elective. The alliance won't last past the generation. That says something rather specific in mind
Does it? Maybe they just want to leverage marital connections now into something stronger on the later date, like, something akin to a Khemetri system, for example. Or a good position to affect our internal policy, since at least one patrician family and their allies would have their support.
 
No, they feed the people they capture to their dread trees.

Why do you think so many people who run to them never return?
They don't feed the people to the trees, they force them to work all day, sucking the vigor from their flesh in order to maintain the enchantments that keep their farms lush, the pox away.

One time the Ymaryn invaded my borderlands...it was awesome
One time the Ymaryn invaded my lands. All they did was criticize my farming habits and my wife's perfume.
 
[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Dam
[X] [Secondary] Dam x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice

[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance
 
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What do you mean by this? He won't be happy with any of them? It doesn't matter? What?

He doesn't know any of the possible candidates, and doesn't care because he will do his duty. He's kind of unnaturally driven at this point.

Does he already have a boyfriend?

Possibly, but if he does have any sort of significant other he's keeping it very quiet. He's understood for a long time that who he has relationships with will impact a lot of people he has obligations towards, and he is an extremely dutiful son and commander. Additionally, open homosexual relationships among the patricians are seen of as being a bit of an issue, as they might engender hurt feelings among the families of their arranged brides. Far better to keep any extra-marital relationships quiet and secret to not disrupt alliances.

Priests are still fine to be openly queer though. They're sort of to the side of the alliance and patronage systems and are weird anyway.
 
@Academia Nut

What is our Excellent Diplomats opinion on the Storm Ymaryns offer? Does he think they are up to something like leveraging us into a conflict with Freehills?

What is his opinion on the Forhuch vassals? Any particular measures we should take to maintain their loyalties when he choses an heir himself? Or do the Forhuch know the concept that elders can chose a king (there are a lot of nomads, after all.)
 
Possibly, but if he does have any sort of significant other he's keeping it very quiet. He's understood for a long time that who he has relationships with will impact a lot of people he has obligations towards, and he is an extremely dutiful son and commander. Additionally, open homosexual relationships among the patricians are seen of as being a bit of an issue, as they might engender hurt feelings among the families of their arranged brides. Far better to keep any extra-marital relationships quiet and secret to not disrupt alliances.

:(
 
@Academia Nut
1) Why did the [React] Festival not count for the priest quest?
2) How many war missions did we have last turn? We got a main equivalent from the kick, but since we weren't at war during the main turn I'm not sure what else.
3) Do the HK have cavalry?
4) The Salterns list seems to be outdated, you may want to fix that.
 
What is our Excellent Diplomats opinion on the Storm Ymaryns offer? Does he think they are up to something like leveraging us into a conflict with Freehills?

It's almost certainly sincere, and they are unlikely to have major concerns with Freehills at the time as they share no borders. It's most likely "Hey, we're both awesome, let's tie our houses together."

In fact, knowing the elective monarchy system, he may very well be trying to improve the breeding of his own house by producing a prodigy he can invite back into his own borders at some point.

What is his opinion on the Forhuch vassals? Any particular measures we should take to maintain their loyalties when he choses an heir himself? Or do the Forhuch know the concept that elders can chose a king (there are a lot of nomads, after all.)

Influence actions.

The Forhuch might be weirded out a bit and could potentially cause problems on succession, but also just got their teeth kicked in and should have plenty of time to see how the People roll by the time of Alyxunmyn's passing.
 
@Academia Nut with the current plan of switching to offensive policy, how far does Alyx think he can push back the HK? And what kind of losses are we likely to be looking at?
 
It's almost certainly sincere, and they are unlikely to have major concerns with Freehills at the time as they share no borders. It's most likely "Hey, we're both awesome, let's tie our houses together."

In fact, knowing the elective monarchy system, he may very well be trying to improve the breeding of his own house by producing a prodigy he can invite back into his own borders at some point.
Interesting. I can't help but imagine Alyx's grandson. Born in Ymar, but emigrated to the Storm People later in life to explore that part of his lineage. Turns out he's a Genius Diplo and unites both houses under his leadership.

Cue SSJ4!Ymar steamroll.
 
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Interesting. I can't help but imagine Alyx's grandson. Born in Ymar, but emigrated to the Storm People later in life to explore that part of his lineage. Turns out he's a Genius Diplo and unites both houses under his leadership.

Que SSJ4!Ymar steamroll.
Also difficulties in how even administration bro. :V

I mean if he can glue us together and some how figure out the admin difficulties of handling an Empire twice our current size post Forhuch then I'll walk through the screen and pronounce the guy God. It just seems so difficult that I think you'd need a Double Genius to do it, Diplo and Admin.
 
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