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DocMatoi said:
well, for one thing, what happened the last time a super commander named Alex went east?
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He conquered the known world, and would have gone further had his men not gotten tired of the endless winning...

In this (Our) situation, I could see him (Alyx) being poisoned, or bemoaning our lackluster (Not really, but certainly not awesome) troop mixture. And as Bungie said, he hath no ambition to reach the ocean, only to defend the people. And winning.
 
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BungieONI said:
He got almost to India before breaking?

The difference here is that our Alyx doesn't want to go that far.
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Killer_Whale said:
He forgot to turn around and come back. This is defensive, and we still have two enemies to fight.
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ok so what happens when he conquers the mountains horse and whoever is east of THAT decides to play 'are you 'ard enough?'
he'll have to conquer them because if he doesnt they'll just come back in 3 generations, right? its just the smart move, right?
and then whoever is east of THAT decides they can take us...
rinse and repeat.
EDIT: TLDR more conquest is bad for the ymaryn and our administrative system. we had all agreed on this. why are we suddenly pushing to become Alexander's empire?
 
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DocMatoi said:
ok so what happens when he conquers the mountains horse and whoever is east of THAT decides to play 'are you 'ard enough?'
he'll have to conquer them because if he doesnt they'll just come back in 3 generations, right? its just the smart move, right?
and then whoever is east of THAT decides they can take us...
rinse and repeat.
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This is needless fear-mongering. The point of this initial annexation is to create a strong-point for our fortifications to hold. We have no need to expand further than that, because on this spot strategic security is achieved.
 
DocMatoi said:
ok so what happens when he conquers the mountains horse and whoever is east of THAT decides to play 'are you 'ard enough?'
he'll have to conquer them because if he doesnt they'll just come back in 3 generations, right? its just the smart move, right?
and then whoever is east of THAT decides they can take us...
rinse and repeat.
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At that point we say no.

It almost literally that simple. If we hold some of the mountain passes east we say "fuck you we are staying here" very vigorously to any attempts from the east.
 
DocMatoi said:
ok so what happens when he conquers the mountains horse and whoever is east of THAT decides to play 'are you 'ard enough?'
he'll have to conquer them because if he doesnt they'll just come back in 3 generations, right? its just the smart move, right?
and then whoever is east of THAT decides they can take us...
rinse and repeat.
EDIT: TLDR more conquest is bad for the ymaryn and our administrative system. we had all agreed on this. why are we suddenly pushing to become Alexander's empire?
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Because we need to secure mountain passes into Lowlands if we are to hold them.
I was actively pushing for befriending Forchuh to prevent this thisness and ensure peaceful security of the eastern Lowlands border. Buut since it did not work out, we will have to do it the hard way.
 
Somebodynobody10 said:
This is needless fear-mongering.
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no, i'm just looking at the future and the aftereffects of our actions. one of our traits is literally 'everyone will try to fight you.' I am taking that and applying it to the idea of conquering completely new territory. Nobody will have heard of us. Nobody will know why its a bad idea to come at us. so Everybody will.
 
daemonkeeper said:
[X] [Regulars] Horse Mountains
[X] [Levies] Horse Mountains
[X] [React] Sec Improve Annual Festival

I wonder if we make a valid argument that the amount of horse meat from the defeated army can count as a temporary increase in econ. at least it should mean that we can save on normal rations for a bit...
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10.000 horses, assuming 500 kg a piece (probably less as these are steppe ponies but nice round numbers...) makes 5.000 tons of horse. Subtract organs and bones, and there is probably still a hell of a lot left.

If you have 200k troops and give each 0.5 kg of horsemeat a day it will last maybe a month.

So no, it's unlikely to be worth econ, but it certainly boosts morale as they get some better rations after a big victory.

DocMatoi said:
ok so what happens when he conquers the mountains horse and whoever is east of THAT decides to play 'are you 'ard enough?'
he'll have to conquer them because if he doesnt they'll just come back in 3 generations, right? its just the smart move, right?
and then whoever is east of THAT decides they can take us...
rinse and repeat.
EDIT: TLDR more conquest is bad for the ymaryn and our administrative system. we had all agreed on this. why are we suddenly pushing to become Alexander's empire?
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That's absurd. We want the passes because they are easy to fortify and don't require a fuckhuge murderstack of cavalry to defend.
 
DocMatoi said:
no, i'm just looking at the future and the aftereffects of our actions. one of our traits is literally 'everyone will try to fight you.' I am taking that and applying it to the idea of conquering completely new territory. Nobody will have heard of us. Nobody will know why its a bad idea to come at us. so Everybody will.
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Even supposing you're right the choice in that case is still them coming to fight us when we're dug into a hard point or them coming to fight us after getting boosted by the wreckage of the civ we destroyed and then left for them to take and grow strong off of.
 
I'm going to hate myself for this, considering we are already severely over our martial limit.

I think we are missing one martial from our King legacy (unless disease drained it?), and that our temp martial score is missing either the additional yeomen power or the ironworks bonus to the levy.
 
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DakkaMania said:
That's absurd. We want the passes because they are easy to fortify and don't require a fuckhuge murderstack of cavalry to defend.
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but Alyx is aiming at taking the whole mountain horse for the express purpose of 'so they/someone else wont do it again.' to me this is just asking for admin strain and more
 
[X] [Regulars] Horse Mountains
[X] [Levies] Horse Mountains
[X] [React] Sec Improve Annual Festival

On the one hand, this feels like going the long way around. On the other, getting back through the lowlands won't be much quicker until we have Dam-kun built and this setup really could do an amazing job of preventing a repeat on neo-nomad settlers from the east.

Festival is all good. Not terribly worried about Econ yet.
 
*Thinks for a moment*

... Oh my, I think we are going to force a economic system change when we evolve our government next!

We demanded that the guilds support our trade economy when we picked the tech-cost->Wealth at the start of this main turn, not that trade economy supports the guilds. We have also pleased the traders with our support (also eliminating their spite-quest because of it) while doing so, while the guilds still have their spite full-on ready for their next faction quest.

I believe the economic policies will shift...
 
Academia Nut said:
"What of the tribes to the north? I have heard that they have ravaged the Heaven's Hawk. Or the fight between the Highlanders and the Harmurri to the south? The Harmurri have gone disturbingly silent these past few seasons,"
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... uh oh. this aint good. we need to look south.
 
[X] [Regulars] Horse Mountains
[X] [Levies] Horse Mountains
[X] [React] Sec Improve Annual Festival

DragonParadox said:
Good point, not that I'm afraid we could not take the Highlanders with one hand tied or backs, but if the Harmurri fold we might lose our CB.

On the other hand... genius and geniuses are magic.
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Or this may be the time that a genius makes a mistake.
 
@Academia Nut , will going to the horse mountains just conquer up to the passes and stop once we've taken what we need to achieve security, or will it also take land past the passes?
 
DocMatoi said:
... uh oh. this aint good. we need to look south.
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My guess is that our Genius steamrolls the surprised Forhuch remnants and in the process liberates all the captives they took. Once that is done, he probably takes the Dragon Banner and our Cavalry and rides to aid the Memory of Spirits and Heavens Hawk as those groups are by far the fastest and can reach them in time while the Levies and the Red Banner march to the south to help the Harmurri as the infantry will take a long time anyway. And now, the supply lines are secure so they can be fairly quick about it too.

By the time the infantry reaches the southern theatre, the Cavalry should be just about done with the North. Either scaring the nomads off when they see only death and no loot or by surprise crushing them from the rear. He can then ride south to bring the war to an end.
 
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