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VoidZero said:
I think the movie "Waterworld" sunk that vision. Salt everywhere is not how i envision my twilight years. Really the things you saw does change your view to a degree.

That and tropical storm with typhoon. Seriously i think this wet dirt ball is trying to kill us.
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Tbh, the movie Waterworld made me want to live on the ocean. Get gills, make a floating island with sand you drag from the bottom. Make a solar-powered water distillery. Grow stuff. Fish the ocean and farm seaweed on nets you drag behind you. Etc.

Only major problem is that making fire becomes hard due to a lack of wood, so you basically have to accept that you'll need to cook everything in a solar oven and use the wood to make more glass.

Edit: Also, if the world did flood it's not like it would all get covered with water up to the height of Mt. Everest. Instead there'd just be a large shallow sea in the middle of america like there was in the Cretaceous, the Amazon would probably be a marshland even more than it is now, and a fair bit of italy, france, and SEA would be gone. Islands could be reclaimed in the middle of all this if we did have gills, and fortified with mangroves.
 
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bluefur87 said:
Megaprojects are expensive in both econ sinks and action economy. While I'm not against this one, I think we really need to make it our last one while we stabilize, no matter how neat the other ones seem. We desperately need to do other actions. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to try and start putting together a comprehensive and adaptable plan for my proposed 'Next Era' phase plan for our civilization.
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Bynwyn gives a boost to the project and is unlikely to live more than turn, so we probably will double down on it.
VoidZero said:
I think the movie "Waterworld" sunk that vision. Salt everywhere is not how i envision my twilight years. Really the things you saw does change your view to a degree.

That and tropical storm with typhoon. Seriously i think this wet dirt ball is trying to kill us.
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>Implying we don't have Salt everywhere now
:V
 
> Wake up early
> "Oh, new update!"
> ~10 pages of discussion
> The bandwagons have already trundled forth
> Citino's made a negaverse omake

Holy shit guys. Calm down a bit, would you?

I'm starting my new job today, so I've unfortunately got no time to write an analysis until this evening. At least the bandwagon is... mostly what I'd go for anyway. I'd urge people to hunker down instead of going MAXIMUM BOATS, but that's the only problem I have with it.

And I'm honestly tempted to do my own negaverse omake soon. We'll see if I have time tonight.
 
zamin said:
I'm starting my new job today, so I've unfortunately got no time to write an analysis until this evening. At least the bandwagon is... mostly what I'd go for anyway. I'd urge people to hunker down instead of going MAXIMUM BOATS, but that's the only problem I have with it.
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Reason for flanking is that it is our last chance at a good martial project since Bynwyn is getting elected at the same time so there's a good chance he won't be in charge of our martial at the time. Also, any martial action we take next turn is going to go poorly so might as well start with a bang:V
 
[X] The ritual is incomplete, more study is required before it can be safely used on a widescale (Temporarily unlocks Scourge Warding megaproject)

[X] Build more boats and attempt a flank attack (Costs Econ to build new boats, which you will keep no matter the result)

[X] Bynwyn (Poor Martial, Mediocre Admin and Diplomacy, Heroic Mysticism, accelerates Scourge Warding megaproject while alive, chance for bonus Stability)
 
hylas240 said:
Also, since our hero is a mysticism-type, we'll also have a bonus towards any study projects! So we should definitely try to get in a study forest action while we's still alive.
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It's better if we do Study Health instead. Bynwyn has been studying the human body for something like two decades now and would understand it better than anyone else. His skills would translate more strongly into Study Health than Study Forest as a result. That we'll be doing it at a time when most of our people will be paying attention to health and disease will also have some pretty strong synergy that wouldn't be there if we did Study Forest.
 
Andres110 said:
It's better if we do Study Health instead. Bynwyn has been studying the human body for something like two decades now and would understand it better than anyone else. His skills would translate more strongly into Study Health than Study Forest as a result. That we'll be doing it at a time when most of our people will be paying attention to health and disease will also have some pretty strong synergy that wouldn't be there if we did Study Forest.
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He started out studying the forest in his youth, so it would make just as much sense to study the forest now.
I agree, though, that on a societal level Study Health has a more obvious synergy.
 
Umi-san said:
He started out studying the forest in his youth, so it would make just as much sense to study the forest now.
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He studied the forest as much as any shaman does, so he's not exceptional in that area. Comparatively, he's spent the last two decades studying the human body, beyond what anyone else has done. It makes a greater - not equal - amount of sense to do Study Health instead of Study Forest, even without the other synergy.

Sivantic said:
Actually maybe Expand Place of Spirits instead? Rule four of Science is that you never have enough assistance.

Never
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Doing that while the High Chief is a shaman could have unforeseen consequences. It could be used as precedence for a future High Chief to further their own faction's wellbeing over the whole. Better use the Heroic Mysticism for something that uses Mysticism than something that enhances Mysticism.
 
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Andres110 said:
He studied the forest as much as any shaman does, so he's not exceptional in that area. Comparatively, he's spent the last two decades studying the human body, beyond what anyone else has done. It makes a greater - not equal - amount of sense to do Study Health instead of Study Forest, even without the other synergy.


Doing that while the High Chief is a shaman could have unforeseen consequences. It could be used as precedence for a future High Chief to further their own faction's wellbeing over the whole. Better use the Heroic Mysticism for something that uses Mysticism than something that enhances Mysticism.
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No... the passage explicitly describes how while some shamans memorized tales and practiced rituals that would help balance people spiritually he wandered out in the forest and studied the web of life. It explicitly differentiates him in this manner, and relates this background to why he was uniquely qualified to discover how cows work to prevent smallpox.

Agree w/ use v enhance.
 
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Umi-san said:
No... the passage explicitly describes how while some shamans memorized tales and practiced rituals that would help balance people spiritually he wandered out in the forest and studied the web of life. It explicitly differentiates him in this manner, and relates this background to why he was uniquely qualified to discover how cows work to prevent smallpox.
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So it does. Thanks for correcting me.
 
I think we can safely say that we've decided on a vote. I really don't see it changing unless we get some new shocking information.

[X] The ritual is incomplete, more study is required before it can be safely used on a widescale (Temporarily unlocks Scourge Warding megaproject)

[X] Build more boats and attempt a flank attack (Costs Econ to build new boats, which you will keep no matter the result)

[X] Bynwyn (Poor Martial, Mediocre Admin and Diplomacy, Heroic Mysticism, accelerates Scourge Warding megaproject while alive, chance for bonus Stability)

With this purely unneeded vote I shall say that Medicine for the win and the people will have all the DRUGS.
 
Andres110 said:
Doing that while the High Chief is a shaman could have unforeseen consequences. It could be used as precedence for a future High Chief to further their own faction's wellbeing over the whole. Better use the Heroic Mysticism for something that uses Mysticism than something that enhances Mysticism.
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Right, because the People totally complained when Gwygoytha Expanded Warriors and Expanded War Carts or more recently when our Genius Administrator Expanded Farms, Fishing and Pastures. Not to mention that they both helped their administration by being an example and advancing stewardship tech respectively.

Having a hero at the helm advancing their field of expertise is not a bad thing.
 
Sivantic said:
Right, because the People totally complained when Gwygoytha Expanded Warriors and Expanded War Carts or more recently when our Genius Administrator Expanded Farms, Fishing and Pastures. Not to mention that they both helped their administration by being an example and advancing stewardship tech respectively.

Having a hero at the helm advancing their field of expertise is not a bad thing.
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You're presenting false equivalencies. With Gwygoytha, she was far more than just a warrior, so she wasn't just giving her faction more stuff. Even if you consider her to mainly be a warrior, her "expand warriors" was actually setting up a militia, reducing the relative military power of the professional warriors of the People. (Key word there is 'relative'.) Your plan, however is to have a shaman give the shamans better temples. How that can be turned to corruption should be obvious.

As for Hewthyun, he is an example that supports my argument, not yours. His expansion of food production was him using Administration, not enhancing Administration. In other words, he didn't give administrators extra rations, he used those administrators to produce more food for whole of the People. Similarly, Bynwyn should use the shamans to study the world to better help the People, not expand their centres of power.
 
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Citino said:
You should do the STs first encountering our civ. The reaction towards how bullshit our economy is would be amazing.
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I was actually thinking of something from the POV of the Dead Priests when the Thunder Horse nomads first appeared in the lowlands. The sheer panic and salt from all their 'safe' settlements being attacked seems like it'd be interesting to see.
 
zamin said:
I was actually thinking of something from the POV of the Dead Priests when the Thunder Horse nomads first appeared in the lowlands. The sheer panic and salt from all their 'safe' settlements being attacked seems like it'd be interesting to see.
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"Where did the Beast Folk get a massive army?!"
"Why is everything on fire?!"
"Oh god, everybody is ded"
 
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