- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, this is the third major plague we've defeated in our civilisation's history, and this one was a civilisation-killing plague. Can we please get a legacy out of it?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
[X] [Enclave] Increase Connectivity (Main Build Roads, ???)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Expand fleet (Main More Warships)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Expand fleet (Main More Warships)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
We can afford this. AN has not updated the stats yet.
Now I think this one, Remove Settlement, and Clean Lower Courts are the best ways to address this issue. However, there are some problems. Attempt to reconcile can lead to failure to reconcile, with the trade off that it likely solves the issue and influences Purity positively. Remove settlement is kinda shoving people together without recourse. There will be sparks and it will be a very messy process to reach whatever the new equilibrium might be. Clean the courts is some what effective as lower classes can reach legal recourse more easily and it is presumably more effective, issue is that the enclaves are still there and ready to spawn further issues.
So I want to take a risk on Reconciling when we have a Mystic/Admin Hero who can't crit fail on either type of roll and has an excellent chance of reaching something we all like.
[] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
I'm doing this for three reasons:
The astrological prediction is, decent, though not particularly earth shaking.
The security response of figuring out if they are now ruled by hostile regimes.
To see if they need help and in general their status. I want to take the Khan too, but Damn he's expensive. I think we have it covered since it does 8 Wealth but I'll wait for stats update.
I'll just leave the second open, I'd put in restore confidence but I am concerned that it might have anti-synergy with the reconcile option from overzealous punishers if we roll poorly.
[] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
Hey guys! Yeah your shit ain't gonna fly. West Wall is closest and the one I want the most for land continuity. Tinshore is likely to take Trelli, and Greenshore is probably full Western Ymaryn now. Ah well(You can have Trelli by the way).
I'll have to look at my PSN vote later.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
We can afford this. AN has not updated the stats yet.
Now I think this one, Remove Settlement, and Clean Lower Courts are the best ways to address this issue. However, there are some problems. Attempt to reconcile can lead to failure to reconcile, with the trade off that it likely solves the issue and influences Purity positively. Remove settlement is kinda shoving people together without recourse. There will be sparks and it will be a very messy process to reach whatever the new equilibrium might be. Clean the courts is some what effective as lower classes can reach legal recourse more easily and it is presumably more effective, issue is that the enclaves are still there and ready to spawn further issues.
So I want to take a risk on Reconciling when we have a Mystic/Admin Hero who can't crit fail on either type of roll and has an excellent chance of reaching something we all like.
[] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
I'm doing this for three reasons:
The astrological prediction is, decent, though not particularly earth shaking.
The security response of figuring out if they are now ruled by hostile regimes.
To see if they need help and in general their status. I want to take the Khan too, but Damn he's expensive. I think we have it covered since it does 8 Wealth but I'll wait for stats update.
I'll just leave the second open, I'd put in restore confidence but I am concerned that it might have anti-synergy with the reconcile option from overzealous punishers if we roll poorly.
[] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
Hey guys! Yeah your shit ain't gonna fly. West Wall is closest and the one I want the most for land continuity. Tinshore is likely to take Trelli, and Greenshore is probably full Western Ymaryn now. Ah well(You can have Trelli by the way).
I'll have to look at my PSN vote later.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
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[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
We need to get off on the right footing with the new Kingdom.
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
We need to get off on the right footing with the new Kingdom.
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main InfluenceSubordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
The salt gift should open up foreign ties, establish a good relationship with the revorn mountain horse, and prevent us from needing to send war missions against a nomad hero who probably has a higher cavalry score than us. Also prevents thdm from killing the Thunder Horse and costing us additional stability.
Influence at least one subordinate now to precent the likelihood of them all brdaking away at once and taking our stability with them.
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main InfluenceSubordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
The salt gift should open up foreign ties, establish a good relationship with the revorn mountain horse, and prevent us from needing to send war missions against a nomad hero who probably has a higher cavalry score than us. Also prevents thdm from killing the Thunder Horse and costing us additional stability.
Influence at least one subordinate now to precent the likelihood of them all brdaking away at once and taking our stability with them.
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- Location
- Australia
Restore Order is boosted by Heroic Admin. It's much more likely it'll help, ensuring that lynch mobs and the like get shut down hard. Reconciling while at neutral or positive Stability is also bound to be better than reconciling at negative Stability.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
RO+PG works very well with the reconcile Enclave vote since our Stability is still too low for comfort.
We need the Poppies to pay for the Salt Gift in case the hero dies next turn. Also, due to the ending of our Infrastructure policies so we likely won't have too much more forest usage. (Note that Forests is currently LTE negative as well due to the Rural Plague still being in effect.)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
RO+PG works very well with the reconcile Enclave vote since our Stability is still too low for comfort.
We need the Poppies to pay for the Salt Gift in case the hero dies next turn. Also, due to the ending of our Infrastructure policies so we likely won't have too much more forest usage. (Note that Forests is currently LTE negative as well due to the Rural Plague still being in effect.)
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
[X] [Enclave] Increase Connectivity (Main Build Roads, ???)
[X] [React] Expand Redshore market (2xSec actions to 0/6 Redshore Market)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
I believe in getting people to move around more being a much safer and positive idea than say just send a order of removing some settlements. The blowup possibility is quiet high for these kind of stuff. Get people more active in simpler things like buys real food and work in forests.
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Expand Palace (2xGreat Hall Annexes)
And grand gesture to show we are back in business.
*Not sure if pressing crackdown on demand or cheer for government upgrade.
[X] [React] Expand Redshore market (2xSec actions to 0/6 Redshore Market)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
I believe in getting people to move around more being a much safer and positive idea than say just send a order of removing some settlements. The blowup possibility is quiet high for these kind of stuff. Get people more active in simpler things like buys real food and work in forests.
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Expand Palace (2xGreat Hall Annexes)
And grand gesture to show we are back in business.
*Not sure if pressing crackdown on demand or cheer for government upgrade.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
The King does not have to and indeed can not do everything. Bringing the people in contact with each other should allow others to work on the problem.
- Location
- Australia
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Expand Forests includes the Study Forests action. We have a Heroic Mystic and two Forestry policies active. This is a good time to do this action.
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Contact closest neighbours (Sec Trade Mission to Freehills and Harmurri)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Expand Forests includes the Study Forests action. We have a Heroic Mystic and two Forestry policies active. This is a good time to do this action.
Heroic Admin and Heroic Mystic. Not only do the king's stats and views mean he's best possible hope of fixing this situation at all ever, he can also delegate and manage the whole process very well. At the very least it's a good first step for other people to follow. Future attempts - if anyone even cares to try - will be less frequent and less likely to succeed if we don't get the king on the situation now. Academia Nut did not say we would fix this problem by ignoring it and hoping the future fixes it.
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
This makes it seem like the current heir is ambiguous or a contested position.
- Location
- Austria
Seems we are fiiiine.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Salt Gift because that is how you deal with Nomads. Non-negotiable.
Restoring Stability because haha Purity bullshit needs to be counterbalanced.
Influencing WW just makes sense.
Forests with Heroic Mystic after Plague are good to have.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Salt Gift because that is how you deal with Nomads. Non-negotiable.
Restoring Stability because haha Purity bullshit needs to be counterbalanced.
Influencing WW just makes sense.
Forests with Heroic Mystic after Plague are good to have.
Good point; switching my PSN action to Expand Forests.
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Expand Palace (2xGreat Hall Annexes)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main InfluenceSubordinate - Starts with Western Wall,x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes toTinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
1: Make friends
2: make a new friend
3: get our shit together before our friends see
4: keep our old friends
5:Get some more of our oldest friends, TREEEEEEESSSS
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main InfluenceSubordinate - Starts with Western Wall,x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes toTinshore)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
1: Make friends
2: make a new friend
3: get our shit together before our friends see
4: keep our old friends
5:Get some more of our oldest friends, TREEEEEEESSSS
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- Location
- Hell
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)x2
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Fine, might as well put down a solid vote.
As much as more Centralization would be nice, with a Heroic Admin, I am pretty sure we are at 1 Stability.
So we can tank the Reconcile Issues hit and instead focus on getting the Western Colonies back in line.
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)x2
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Fine, might as well put down a solid vote.
As much as more Centralization would be nice, with a Heroic Admin, I am pretty sure we are at 1 Stability.
So we can tank the Reconcile Issues hit and instead focus on getting the Western Colonies back in line.
So... legacy-bonuses when?
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
I don't care as much what else we do, but we need to resolve this Purity issue now because it's only going to get worse over time. Note the king's explicit doubts about whether his successor will be able to keep it handled nearly as well - doubts which are well-founded, since I don't think we'll luck into another double-Hero (in the perfect stats no less) by random chance. Also I am really not up for Yet Another Nomad Invasion right now, while we're still trying to recover, so let's head that off at the pass yeah?
[X] [React] Greet new nomad chief (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
I don't care as much what else we do, but we need to resolve this Purity issue now because it's only going to get worse over time. Note the king's explicit doubts about whether his successor will be able to keep it handled nearly as well - doubts which are well-founded, since I don't think we'll luck into another double-Hero (in the perfect stats no less) by random chance. Also I am really not up for Yet Another Nomad Invasion right now, while we're still trying to recover, so let's head that off at the pass yeah?
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Let the man sleep, he'll get the stats and stuff in the morningSo... legacy-bonuses when?
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore) x2
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Western colonies, the fuck are you doing? And +Stab choice to counter the -stab choice.
Expand Forests because a lot are getting used, sure. Poppies would be fine too probably, try to get that to Leading.
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore) x2
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)
Western colonies, the fuck are you doing? And +Stab choice to counter the -stab choice.
Expand Forests because a lot are getting used, sure. Poppies would be fine too probably, try to get that to Leading.
- Location
- Reno
- Pronouns
- They/Them
New
[X] [Enclave] Attempt to reconcile issues (-1 Stability, -4 Mysticism, -6 Culture, ???)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Expand Palace (2xGreat Hall Annexes)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
[X] [React] Restore confidence after the plague (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [React] Attempt to get the western colonies in line (Main Influence Subordinate - Starts with Western Wall, x2 also goes to Greenshore, x3 goes to Tinshore)
[X] [React] Expand Palace (2xGreat Hall Annexes)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
This has the mysticism and culture cost I'd associate in pushing for the evolution of a spiritual value. It also has the stability cost I'd associate with pushing against the negative part of a value in general. In addition it fits the narrative of arguing that the idea behind them being impure is wrong for 'x' reasons. Under a heroic mystic, none the less. Definitely the best choice here.
For the reaction vote we have way too many that we need.
This gets us in with a Khan. One that is deciding to go the peaceful nomadic route. Backing this guy and getting on his good side means that the steppes are going to be secure for much longer. This is sort of time sensitive, but we don't know if our heroic admin king will be willing to take it next turn, so it might be very time sensitive.
Pretty important for getting trade and wealth income set up again. Also building relations back up is very important now.
Also important for getting trade and wealth income set up again, a bit less so than the former one though.
Very important, and we need to take at least one of these. Sadly, we will need all 3 very soon. It should be noted that getting 2 has a good chance of stopping Tinshore from breaking off, since we'd get Greenshore back in line, and they'd be in a far less powerful place to join with someone to break off.
Very important, but it can probably wait.
I'll wait until tomorrow to see what our stats are like.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
I think more interconnectivity is a better first step, as it prevents sects from forming their own little niches and causing problems by sharply diverging from society. It also makes it easier to hold on to our subordinates, which is the other major issue we face.
It's a fair point that we don't know how much longer Uvothyn's going to last, but I think we'll see better luck if we try to tackle the root causes of our issues before tackling the immediate symptoms.
AN has updated the front page. Our stats are current, AFAIK.